https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the traditions of parliament.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is supported by pos like
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John BowesRich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >> traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is supported by pos like
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperatelyYou Rich have been sucked in by the worst government in NZ history! Funny how far-left nutters like you keep attacking and twisting reality to fit your red tinged view of what is right. Though considering how far left you are Rich. Right wouldn't even be
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John BowesIrrelkecant.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or thehttps://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The political clown is incapable of learning or changing Tony! His behaviour over the years proves this beyond a doubt!
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,Irrelkecant.
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
There are however far left political parties and the imbecilic Rich blindly supports them!the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperatelyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. There are no far right parties in this election.
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,Irrelkecant.
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperatelyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. There are no far right parties in this election.
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
That does not surprise me, this government is extremely left wing. Hopefully there will be a better balance in the future - we shall see.Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John BowesIrrelkecant.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >> >>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The
government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't >> >>know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party
that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >> >>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >> There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly
pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
In fact, in both global and commonwealth politics, New Zealand's behaviour and >tendencies are viewed and treated as communistic, making her politically >"unreliable". Her status at the conference table is inevitably diminished and, >with it, any potential power and influence she might well have enjoyed.
James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 24, 2023 at 9:06:44 AM UTC+13, Tony wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John BowesIrrelkecant.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or thehttps://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >> >>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't
know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party >> >>that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >> >pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >> >be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
There are no far right parties in this election.
In fact, in both global and commonwealth politics, New Zealand's behaviour andThat does not surprise me, this government is extremely left wing. Hopefully there will be a better balance in the future - we shall see.
tendencies are viewed and treated as communistic, making her politically >"unreliable". Her status at the conference table is inevitably diminished and,
with it, any potential power and influence she might well have enjoyed.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't >>>>know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that >>>>is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>>>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >>There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>Bowes . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are total scum, Tony. , and, consistent with the Subject of the
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyRemoved a completely off topic rant which included offensiveness (no surprise).
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't >>>>>know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that
is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>>>>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >>>There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>>be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is >>>>that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>>>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>>>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>>>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>>each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>>be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>>Bowes . . .
Start your own thread Rich 80105.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John BowesRich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is supported by pos like
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present,
but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to,
but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the far-right nutters . . .
You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Tony, you and John Bowes are what used to be called "useful idiots" -
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First,
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>Bowes . . .
those that will vote for a poorer economic result for themselves.
See : https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
"You might not have heard of the Heritage Foundation, an ultra-right
US think tank that has evolved into a policy arm of the Republican
Party, influencing its shift to more hardline conservative positions
in recent decades. Its Index on Economic Freedom, an annual appraisal
of 184 national economies, applauds those that are most friendly to business, especially concerning tax codes. In other words, the most right-wing economies. During the last six years of Labour government,
New Zealand has consistently been in the top five, even level-pegging
with Singapore in the number one slot. The Heritage Foundation praises
New Zealand on a number of criteria, including its ‘fleible labour regulations’. On the economic scale, the mainstream media’s default description of Labour as ‘centre left’ contrasts with the Heritage Foundation’s global perspective.
At the end of two three-year terms of Labour government and certain additional welfare provisions, the country’s overall child poverty
numbers have simply plateaued, with one in nine children still living
in households below the poverty line. Public housing wait lists are spiralling, and a 2023 Inland Revenue report shows that the country’s
311 wealthiest families pay 8.9 percent of their income in tax,
compared with 10.5 percent required of minimum wage workers.
Given her phenomenal popularity until relatively recently,
international celebrity prime minister Jacinda Ardern’s resignation
last January caught the country by surprise. Her lower-profile
successor, Chris Hipkins, promises to concentrate on “bread and
butter” issues. Even in a coalition with the further left Greens and
the Maori Party, the polls still predict a win for Christopher Luxon’s conservative National Party, probably in coalition with the further
right libertarian ACT party. Despite the likelihood of an
ultra-neoliberal government, Hipkins scores higher than Luxon in
personal popularity.
New Zealand’s under 30s have bucked the trend of young voters in other western democracies who favour solidly left figures like Bernie
Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. Kiwi youth voters are predominantly
right-wing, preferring heightened business opportunities to lowered emissions. This is due in no small measure to ACT leader David
Seymour, who has combined his commitment to unfettered market forces
with some liberal social policies that may actually be more to the
liking of Green voters than to National’s old guard. In such a pro-business environment the dilemma for the Greens is how much to
address the uncomfortable reality that economic growth is incompatible
with ecological urgency.
Labour, National, ACT and the Greens have more or less ruled out a
coalition with the populist New Zealand First party. Its leader,
veteran parliamentarian Winston Peters, failed to achieve the 5
percent threshold in 2020. The maverick phoenix has risen again,
buoyed by the present polls. Who knows? He might yet be a kingmaker in
an election that looks likely to see New Zealand nudging Singapore off
that top slot in the Heritage Foundation’s chart."
______________
And for a measure of success against far-right objectives - see: https://www.heritage.org/index/country/newzealand
or
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
and see how far the "lower tax" mantra has taken us: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/global/2022-international-tax-competitiveness-index/#Rankings
We are third after Estonia and Latvia for lowest tax - no wonder we
suffer from insufficient funds to alleviate poverty! - and also it may explain why so many of our large companies have been sold to overseas
owners . . .
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:17:35 -0000 (UTC), TonyCompletely off topic nonsense removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are total scum, Tony. , and, consistent with the Subject of the
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyRemoved a completely off topic rant which included offensiveness (no >>surprise).
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:The objections are from NZ First,
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that >>>>>>doesn't
know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party >>>>>>that
is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's >>>>>>on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is! >>>>>
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >>>>There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>>>be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is >>>>>that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>>>>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament >>>>>it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>>>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>>>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>>>>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>>>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>>>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>>>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>>>>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>>>each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>>>be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>>>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>>>Bowes . . .
Start your own thread Rich 80105.
thread, you have my utmost contempt.
Regardless of party, every New Zealand government is left wing where our in= >ternational "allies" are concerned. New Zealand's fate was sealed for all t= >ime when the country went non-nuclear, this being the price we are paying -=
and will forever pay - for what our "allies" perceive as foolish recalcitr=
ance.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:17:35 -0000 (UTC), TonyCompletely off topic nonsense removed.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are total scum, Tony. , and, consistent with the Subject of the
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Removed a completely off topic rant which included offensiveness (no >>>surprise).
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-conventionThe objections are from NZ First,
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that >>>>>>>doesn't
know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party >>>>>>>that
is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's >>>>>>>on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is! >>>>>>
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >>>>>There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>>>>be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is >>>>>>that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>>>>>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament >>>>>>it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>>>>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>>>>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>>>>>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>>>>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>>>>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>>>>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>>>>>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>>>>each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>>>>be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>>>>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>>>>Bowes . . .
Start your own thread Rich 80105.
thread, you have my utmost contempt.
Start your own thread Rich80105.
You raised the issue of useful idiots.
You are driven by petty and irrelevant nonsense.
You cannot respond to me without being offensive, and you are often the same to
other posters. In fact I believe that there is not a regular poster here to >whom you have not been abusive. It is not me that is scum.
The fact is you are the rarest of creatures, you are one of the very few people
in the world that has absolutely no value at all, you have never contributed to
society or to anything or any person in your miserable life. You are the >ultimate selfish parasite because you don't care about anybody but your trivial
self indulgent needs.
You have no reason to be contemptuous of me and every reason to be jettisoned >from civilised society.
However that will not happen because right now we have freedom of expression >and will continue to have that once this infamous government is removed, >accompanied hopefully by cheering in the streets.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:17:35 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are total scum, Tony. , and, consistent with the Subject of the
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), TonyRemoved a completely off topic rant which included offensiveness (no surprise).
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:The objections are from NZ First,
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't
know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that
is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is! >>>>>
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >>>>There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>>>be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is >>>>>that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>>>>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament >>>>>it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>>>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>>>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>>>>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>>>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>>>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>>>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>>>>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>>>each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>>>be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>>>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>>>Bowes . . .
Start your own thread Rich 80105.
thread, you have my utmost contempt. . So you dislike like the reality
that The Republican Party, through The Heritage Foundation, have
identified New Zealand as close to their ideal far-right political
situation. Labour have been moving, albeit slowly, towards lower
inequality; National will increase inequality.
See : https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
"You might not have heard of the Heritage Foundation, an ultra-right
US think tank that has evolved into a policy arm of the Republican
Party, influencing its shift to more hardline conservative positions
in recent decades. Its Index on Economic Freedom, an annual appraisal
of 184 national economies, applauds those that are most friendly to
business, especially concerning tax codes. In other words, the most right-wing economies. During the last six years of Labour government,
New Zealand has consistently been in the top five, even level-pegging
with Singapore in the number one slot. The Heritage Foundation praises
New Zealand on a number of criteria, including its flexible labour regulations. On the economic scale, the mainstream medias default description of Labour as centre left contrasts with the Heritage Foundations global perspective.
At the end of two three-year terms of Labour government and certain additional welfare provisions, the countrys overall child poverty
numbers have simply plateaued, with one in nine children still living
in households below the poverty line. Public housing wait lists are spiraling, and a 2023 Inland Revenue report shows that the countrys
311 wealthiest families pay 8.9 percent of their income in tax,
compared with 10.5 percent required of minimum wage workers.
Given her phenomenal popularity until relatively recently,
international celebrity prime minister Jacinda Arderns resignation
last January caught the country by surprise. Her lower-profile
successor, Chris Hipkins, promises to concentrate on bread and
butter issues. Even in a coalition with the further left Greens and
the Maori Party, the polls still predict a win for Christopher Luxons conservative National Party, probably in coalition with the further
right libertarian ACT party. Despite the likelihood of an
ultra-neoliberal government, Hipkins scores higher than Luxon in
personal popularity.
New Zealands under 30s have bucked the trend of young voters in other western democracies who favour solidly left figures like Bernie
Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. Kiwi youth voters are predominantly
right-wing, preferring heightened business opportunities to lowered emissions. This is due in no small measure to ACT leader David
Seymour, who has combined his commitment to unfettered market forces
with some liberal social policies that may actually be more to the
liking of Green voters than to Nationals old guard. In such a
pro-business environment the dilemma for the Greens is how much to
address the uncomfortable reality that economic growth is incompatible
with ecological urgency.
Labour, National, ACT and the Greens have more or less ruled out a
coalition with the populist New Zealand First party. Its leader,
veteran parliamentarian Winston Peters, failed to achieve the 5
percent threshold in 2020. The maverick phoenix has risen again,
buoyed by the present polls. Who knows? He might yet be a kingmaker in
an election that looks likely to see New Zealand nudging Singapore off
that top slot in the Heritage Foundations chart."
______________
And for a measure of success against far-right objectives - see: https://www.heritage.org/index/country/newzealand
or
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
and see how far the "lower tax" mantra has taken us: https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/global/2022-international-tax-competitiveness-index/#Rankings
We are third after Estonia and Latvia for lowest tax - no wonder we
suffer from insufficient funds to alleviate poverty! - and also it may explain why so many of our large companies have been sold to overseas
owners . . .
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023, <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
Regardless of party, every New Zealand government is left wing where our in= >>ternational "allies" are concerned. New Zealand's fate was sealed for all t= >>ime when the country went non-nuclear, this being the price we are paying -= >> and will forever pay - for what our "allies" perceive as foolish recalcitr= >>ance.
Very ironic, when you consider that carbon-free nuclear energy is
going to be the saviour of the world's electric grids*. Even more
ironic is that without Greenie opposition, there would have been far
more nuclear power plants today, generating carbon-free electricity.
*This assumes that Western Civilisation survives the flood of
third-world "migrants" (actually invaders), an increasingly iffy
proposition. Indeed, all our NZ priorities and assumptions will get pulverised with the first arrival of a cargo ship carrying 5000
"migrants" on to our shores.
On 2023-09-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Yes but low taxes is merely an excuse. 6 years is plenty long enough to address that to some extent. Didn't happen though did it, well a tiny bit I guess?
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 22:17:35 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe ideological aspect is showing.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:You are total scum, Tony. , and, consistent with the Subject of the
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 20:06:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Removed a completely off topic rant which included offensiveness (no >>>surprise).
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Irrelkecant.
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-conventionThe objections are from NZ First,
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or >>>>>>>>the
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that >>>>>>>doesn't
know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party >>>>>>>that
is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's >>>>>>>on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is! >>>>>>
The comments made in the article are valid and stand alone.
Address them directly or be proven a politcal clown.
the "Bluster and Bullshit" partyNo, we have not. You are the one sucked in by your far left marxist views. >>>>>There are no far right parties in this election.
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>>>>be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is >>>>>>that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an >>>>>>election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament >>>>>>it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>>>>trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>>>>many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main >>>>>>opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>>>>purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>>>>trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>>>>pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in >>>>>>whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>>>>each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>>>>be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>>>>far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>>>>Bowes . . .
Start your own thread Rich 80105.
thread, you have my utmost contempt. . So you dislike like the reality
that The Republican Party, through The Heritage Foundation, have
identified New Zealand as close to their ideal far-right political
situation. Labour have been moving, albeit slowly, towards lower
inequality; National will increase inequality.
See : https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2023
"You might not have heard of the Heritage Foundation, an ultra-right
US think tank that has evolved into a policy arm of the Republican
Party, influencing its shift to more hardline conservative positions
in recent decades. Its Index on Economic Freedom, an annual appraisal
of 184 national economies, applauds those that are most friendly to
business, especially concerning tax codes. In other words, the most
right-wing economies. During the last six years of Labour government,
New Zealand has consistently been in the top five, even level-pegging
with Singapore in the number one slot. The Heritage Foundation praises
New Zealand on a number of criteria, including its flexible labour
regulations. On the economic scale, the mainstream medias default
description of Labour as centre left contrasts with the Heritage
Foundations global perspective.
At the end of two three-year terms of Labour government and certain
additional welfare provisions, the countrys overall child poverty
numbers have simply plateaued, with one in nine children still living
in households below the poverty line. Public housing wait lists are
spiraling, and a 2023 Inland Revenue report shows that the countrys
311 wealthiest families pay 8.9 percent of their income in tax,
compared with 10.5 percent required of minimum wage workers.
Given her phenomenal popularity until relatively recently,
international celebrity prime minister Jacinda Arderns resignation
last January caught the country by surprise. Her lower-profile
successor, Chris Hipkins, promises to concentrate on bread and
butter issues. Even in a coalition with the further left Greens and
the Maori Party, the polls still predict a win for Christopher Luxons
conservative National Party, probably in coalition with the further
right libertarian ACT party. Despite the likelihood of an
ultra-neoliberal government, Hipkins scores higher than Luxon in
personal popularity.
New Zealands under 30s have bucked the trend of young voters in other
western democracies who favour solidly left figures like Bernie
Sanders and Jeremy Corbyn. Kiwi youth voters are predominantly
right-wing, preferring heightened business opportunities to lowered
emissions. This is due in no small measure to ACT leader David
Seymour, who has combined his commitment to unfettered market forces
with some liberal social policies that may actually be more to the
liking of Green voters than to Nationals old guard. In such a
pro-business environment the dilemma for the Greens is how much to
address the uncomfortable reality that economic growth is incompatible
with ecological urgency.
Labour, National, ACT and the Greens have more or less ruled out a
coalition with the populist New Zealand First party. Its leader,
veteran parliamentarian Winston Peters, failed to achieve the 5
percent threshold in 2020. The maverick phoenix has risen again,
buoyed by the present polls. Who knows? He might yet be a kingmaker in
an election that looks likely to see New Zealand nudging Singapore off
that top slot in the Heritage Foundations chart."
______________
And for a measure of success against far-right objectives - see:
https://www.heritage.org/index/country/newzealand
or
https://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
and see how far the "lower tax" mantra has taken us:
https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/global/2022-international-tax-competitiveness-index/#Rankings
We are third after Estonia and Latvia for lowest tax - no wonder we
suffer from insufficient funds to alleviate poverty! - and also it may
explain why so many of our large companies have been sold to overseas
owners . . .
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John BowesRich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is supported by pos like
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>> traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is supported by pos like
politics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake /
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly
pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!! Labour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know about
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:24:54 +1300, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>> traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is supported by pos
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly
pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!! Labour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know aboutpolitics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake /
Muldoon. But Peters has not been an MP for quite a few years now; he
will be delighted that National may again be looking his way.
Certainly his time as a Foreign Minister will mean that he is aware of
the traditions of consultation with other parties, particularly in the period before an election.
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
not clear which of these you were referring to, Greybeard.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:24:54 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>Your sarcasm and deliberate obfuscation will, one day, cause you seriouisissues. That is a prediction. In fact I rather think it has in the past.
wrote:
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:politics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake /
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>>>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly
pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to
be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!! >Labour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know about
Muldoon. But Peters has not been an MP for quite a few years now; he
will be delighted that National may again be looking his way.
Certainly his time as a Foreign Minister will mean that he is aware of
the traditions of consultation with other parties, particularly in the
period before an election.
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
not clear which of these you were referring to, Greybeard.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:45:36 -0000 (UTC), TonyI have never told a lie here and you cannot demonstate otherwise.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:24:54 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>wrote:Your sarcasm and deliberate obfuscation will, one day, cause you >>seriouisissues. That is a prediction. In fact I rather think it has in the >>past.
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:Muldoon. But Peters has not been an MP for quite a few years now; he
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-conventionThe objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>>>> traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that >>>>>>doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party >>>>>>that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's >>>>>>on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is! >>>>>
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>>> be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament >>>>> it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>>> trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>>> many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>>> pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>>> each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>>> be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>>> far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>>> Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!! >>>Labour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know about >>>politics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake /
will be delighted that National may again be looking his way.
Certainly his time as a Foreign Minister will mean that he is aware of >>>the traditions of consultation with other parties, particularly in the >>>period before an election.
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
not clear which of these you were referring to, Greybeard.
You are certainly mentally ill.
You will have to do better than that to catch up with your pos mate
John on being the resident BS liar, Tony; but you are getting closer.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:24:54 +1300, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>wrote:Your sarcasm and deliberate obfuscation will, one day, cause you >seriouisissues. That is a prediction. In fact I rather think it has in the past.
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:Muldoon. But Peters has not been an MP for quite a few years now; he
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the >>>>>> traditions of parliament.https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on >>>>>Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can
be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the
trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on
many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>> pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>> be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!! >>Labour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know about >>politics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake /
will be delighted that National may again be looking his way.
Certainly his time as a Foreign Minister will mean that he is aware of
the traditions of consultation with other parties, particularly in the >>period before an election.
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
not clear which of these you were referring to, Greybeard.
You are certainly mentally ill.
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You will have to do better than that to catch up with your pos mate
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:24:54 +1300, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid> >>wrote:Your sarcasm and deliberate obfuscation will, one day, cause you >seriouisissues. That is a prediction. In fact I rather think it has in the past.
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:Certainly his time as a Foreign Minister will mean that he is aware of >>the traditions of consultation with other parties, particularly in the >>period before an election.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>https://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-conventionThe objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
Typical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or the
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is! >>>>
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >>>> be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is >>>> that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament >>>> it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >>>> trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >>>> many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its >>>> purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately >>>> trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >>>> pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to >>>> each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >>>> be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the >>>> far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John >>>> Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!! >>Labour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know about >>politics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake / >>Muldoon. But Peters has not been an MP for quite a few years now; he >>will be delighted that National may again be looking his way.
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
not clear which of these you were referring to, Greybeard.
You are certainly mentally ill.
John on being the resident BS liar, Tony; but you are getting closer.
But to get back to one of the drifting subjects of this thread,
Winston Peters must be absolutely delighted that Luxon has opened the
door to NZ First - he will be hoping for more votes from National
supporters that are upset about the thought of Sinclair as Deputy PM - Winston is likely to insist on equal ranking with Sinclair ; but the
thought of such a coven of parties may instead send Labour/Green back
into government . . . Either way, New Zealand is better off than
having just lyin' Luxon and his mates in Government.
During his teenage years he knew he was different and then he started much later to fixate.On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 01:45:36 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You will have to do better than that to catch up with your pos mate
On Mon, 25 Sep 2023 10:24:54 +1300, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid>
wrote:
On 23/09/23 20:44, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 21:23:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 2:25:59?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Your sarcasm and deliberate obfuscation will, one day, cause youLabour-led, certainly; but Peters learned all he need to know aboutTypical of this government, no respect for convention, democracy or >> >>>>>>thehttps://www.nzfirst.nz/foreign-ministers-action-a-contempt-for-caretaker-government-convention
traditions of parliament.
You expect anything else from the worst government in NZ history? The >> >>>>>government that hates freedom and free speech? The government that
doesn't know
what success is? The government of failure to be democratic? The party >> >>>>>that is
supported by pos like Rich80105? Because there are a lot of Rich80105's >> >>>>>on
Twitter/X some of who are even sillier and more arrogant that he is!
The objections are from NZ First, the "Bluster and Bullshit" party
that is not even in Parliament at present, but a little knowledge can >> >>>> be a dangerous thing in the hands of Winston Peters. the reality is
that the world does not stop for weeks every time a country has an
election. If we heard a complaint from a party that is in parliament
it may be worth listening to, but there is a high likelihood that the >> >>>> trip was agreed with the other parties. There is close cooperation on >> >>>> many foreign affairs and security issues with at least the main
opposition parties; Luxon will have been aware of this trip and its
purpose.
NZ First know this but Winston is of course an outsider desperately
trying to carve out a large enough group to get back in - he is avidly >> >>>> pursuing the thoughtless, the ignorant and the fringe believers in
whatever they can dream up - it seems he found a couple that post to
each other on nz.general - camp followers for anything that is seen to >> >>>> be an attack on the government, valid or not, is good enough for the
far-right nutters . . . You have been sucked in again, Tony and John
Bowes . . .
Peters is a former NZ Foreign Minister. Under a Labour government !!!
politics in the National party system in the times of Holyoake /
Muldoon. But Peters has not been an MP for quite a few years now; he
will be delighted that National may again be looking his way.
Certainly his time as a Foreign Minister will mean that he is aware of
the traditions of consultation with other parties, particularly in the
period before an election.
Another cancel, deny and obfuscate from the resident BS liar.Certainly Peters is well ahead of Tony and John on those measures -
not clear which of these you were referring to, Greybeard.
seriouisissues. That is a prediction. In fact I rather think it has in the >> >past.
You are certainly mentally ill.
John on being the resident BS liar, Tony; but you are getting closer.
Sorry Rich YOU are the resident bs lying pos. Have been ever since you joined >the ng! Just because you're not smart enough to refute my claims makes YOU the >pos problem. NOT me!
But to get back to one of the drifting subjects of this thread,
Winston Peters must be absolutely delighted that Luxon has opened the
door to NZ First - he will be hoping for more votes from National
supporters that are upset about the thought of Sinclair as Deputy PM -
Winston is likely to insist on equal ranking with Sinclair ; but the
thought of such a coven of parties may instead send Labour/Green back
into government . . . Either way, New Zealand is better off than
having just lyin' Luxon and his mates in Government.
There you go Rich. Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that when it comes to >being pos and liar. Nobody, not even Ardern and hipkins come close to you. As >usual after demanding cites from everybody else your happy to rely on your >extreme bias to be all you need to be believed. Got news for you dumbo I doubt >if anyone in this ng believes anything you claim. In particular your supposed >science degree unless it's the science of stupid :)
You want someone with lying mates you don't need to go past Hipkins and his >multiple caucuses if you're looking for someone with lying mates...
Labour promises are like clouds on a hot summer day. Disappear without >achieving a bloody thing. Now there's some lies for you to look at Rich!
Do not we need to consider the CO2 from building the nuclear plant and
mining the uranium?
On 24 Sep 2023 04:38:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do not we need to consider the CO2 from building the nuclear plant and >>mining the uranium?
Kindly apply that standard to wind turbines -- which, over their
lifetimes, generate *less* energy than it took to fabricate, erect,
and maintain them.
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