Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current
leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's currentMay be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies over the past 6 years.
leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you >believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies over >the past 6 years.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
Go on, do some work.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 08:24:19 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
The truth though, regardless of what Luxon or Mitchell said, is that
the reduction is very recent.
Mitchell made a claim: "Dairy and retail business owners have been
facing a 533 per cent increase in ram raids between the year to August
2018 and the year to August 2023". The graph above it shows data from >January 2021 to July 2023, so the graph does not refute what Mitchell
has claimed.
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:21:31 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:05:15 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 08:24:19 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
The truth though, regardless of what Luxon or Mitchell said, is that
the reduction is very recent.
Mitchell made a claim: "Dairy and retail business owners have been >>facing a 533 per cent increase in ram raids between the year to August >>2018 and the year to August 2023". The graph above it shows data from >>January 2021 to July 2023, so the graph does not refute what Mitchell >>has claimed.
I did not see that claim - he may well have made others - do you haveIts in the article cited in your OP.
a link to Mitchell's statement?
--Oh dear has Rich failed to practice what he preaches to us all AGAIN! ROFLMAO
Crash McBash
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:05:15 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 08:24:19 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
The truth though, regardless of what Luxon or Mitchell said, is that
the reduction is very recent.
Mitchell made a claim: "Dairy and retail business owners have been
facing a 533 per cent increase in ram raids between the year to August
2018 and the year to August 2023". The graph above it shows data from >>January 2021 to July 2023, so the graph does not refute what Mitchell
has claimed.
I did not see that claim - he may well have made others - do you have
a link to Mitchell's statement?
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyBullshit! You fell for the msm clip bait that claimed Labour wasn't lying for once! It is most likely just a lie going by Labours abysmal track record of lying!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, shame on you you tiny brained turd.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you >>believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies >>over
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you >>believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies over
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current
leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:21:31 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 09:05:15 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Sat, 23 Sep 2023 08:24:19 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
The truth though, regardless of what Luxon or Mitchell said, is that
the reduction is very recent.
Mitchell made a claim: "Dairy and retail business owners have been
facing a 533 per cent increase in ram raids between the year to August >>>2018 and the year to August 2023". The graph above it shows data from >>>January 2021 to July 2023, so the graph does not refute what Mitchell
has claimed.
I did not see that claim - he may well have made others - do you have
a link to Mitchell's statement?
Its in the article cited in your OP.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such a
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, shame on you you tiny brained turd.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you >>>believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies >>>over
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged you and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were going to cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies over
the past 6 years.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's currentMay be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you >> believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies >>over
leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
the past 6 years.
A petty, futile comparison since "Grownups know and accept that every >politician and every government lies, otherwise they'd never get anything done"
(Retired Tory MP to me many, many years ago, and as true now as it was then). If futile, why respond?
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:36:38 -0000 (UTC), TonyYes I am, but clearly you don't watch the news or read any news reports. https://www.labour.org.nz/news-release_school_lunches_line_election
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such a
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, shame on you you tiny brained turd.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies >>>>you
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies >>>>over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged you >>and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were going to >>cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
statement . . .
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:36:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, shame on you you tiny brained turd.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with >>>the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may >>>not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty >>>of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies >>>>you
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies
over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged you
and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were going to
cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such aYes I am, but clearly you don't watch the news or read any news reports. https://www.labour.org.nz/news-release_school_lunches_line_election
statement . . .
And from a Labour party publication indeed. Chippy has not stepped back from that slur.
It is plain and simple another example of deliberate obfuscation - that was chippies purpose and that was my point.Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:36:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >> >>>>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
No, shame on you you tiny brained turd.I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start withMay be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies >> >>>>youhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour
lies
over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged
you
and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were going >> >>to
cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
Cited verbatim:
"Will it be a piece of white bread and a glass of milk, or will they commit to >continuing to feed kids healthy and nutritious lunches?"
This is a plain and simple example of figurative speech. Arguably a lie if >taken literally by those dogged by their self-defeating binary tendencies, >whereas the sufficiently educated and self-aware will have no trouble >recognising it for what it plainly is: a (deliberately emotive) figure of >speech and therefore permissible in the context of the occasion on which it was
uttered.
And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such aYes I am, but clearly you don't watch the news or read any news reports.
statement . . .
https://www.labour.org.nz/news-release_school_lunches_line_election
And from a Labour party publication indeed. Chippy has not stepped back from >> that slur.
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:36:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such a
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo, shame on you you tiny brained turd.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start with
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current >>>>>leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?May be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lies you
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour lies >>>>over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may
not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty
of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged you and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were going to cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
statement . . .
On 2023-09-22, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It's also possible National has seen the true figures. You know the ones they don't show us. Oh and before Rich gets his tits in a tangle just go look at the true numbers for the real increase in the number of new police. funny how the real increase
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/Given this being the real world, it is to expected that anti social activities will go in cycles.
At the end of the day there are still about 30 ram raids per month, one per day.
You can argue until one goes blue in the face. However it does appear that National us not seen the updated figures.
This call out is good for Labour as it is a distraction. National should be asking the question What will the numbers be if Labour is relected, and why? How will you achieve those numbers Labour?
No, just a slip of the finger dearie.James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:"chippies"? Dearie me! Trying to obfuscate, were you?
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:22:42 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
It is plain and simple another example of deliberate obfuscation - that was >> chippies purpose and that was my point.Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:36:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's
current
leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
No, shame on you you tiny brained turd.I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start withMay be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the >> >> >>>>lieshttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
you
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour >> >> >>>>lies
over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may >> >> >>>not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty >> >> >>>of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged >> >> >>you
and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were
going
to
cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
Cited verbatim:
"Will it be a piece of white bread and a glass of milk, or will they commit >> >to
continuing to feed kids healthy and nutritious lunches?"
This is a plain and simple example of figurative speech. Arguably a lie if >> >taken literally by those dogged by their self-defeating binary tendencies, >> >whereas the sufficiently educated and self-aware will have no trouble
recognising it for what it plainly is: a (deliberately emotive) figure of >> >speech and therefore permissible in the context of the occasion on which it >> >was
uttered.
And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such aYes I am, but clearly you don't watch the news or read any news reports. >> >> https://www.labour.org.nz/news-release_school_lunches_line_election
statement . . .
And from a Labour party publication indeed. Chippy has not stepped back >> >>from
that slur.
James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 12:22:42 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 22:36:38 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 20:57:40 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Ram Raids are going down - so why did Chris Luxon (National's current
leader) and Mark Mitchell (current police spokesman) lie?
No, shame on you you tiny brained turd.I did the work of bringing this to your attention, Tony. Start withMay be a lie, may not be. But maybe you could provide a list of the lieshttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/ram-raids-labour-says-theyre-going-down-national-disagrees-whos-right/TMP4NDJVUFHCJCGANTQQJCPHNM/
you
believe National have told and compare it to the huge list of Labour >> >>>>lies
over
the past 6 years.
Go on, do some work.
the lies identified in that article - your lame attempt to say it may >> >>>not be a lie is an indication that you share the essential dishonesty >> >>>of Luxon and Mitchell. Shame on you.
You raised something that has not been proven to be a lie. I challenged >> >>you
and
you lost.
Simple.
A real example of a lie is yesterday chippy said that Nationl were going
to
cut
school lunches to bread and milk. A lie.
Cited verbatim:
"Will it be a piece of white bread and a glass of milk, or will they commit to
continuing to feed kids healthy and nutritious lunches?"
This is a plain and simple example of figurative speech. Arguably a lie if >taken literally by those dogged by their self-defeating binary tendencies, >whereas the sufficiently educated and self-aware will have no trouble >recognising it for what it plainly is: a (deliberately emotive) figure of >speech and therefore permissible in the context of the occasion on which it wasIt is plain and simple another example of deliberate obfuscation - that was chippies purpose and that was my point.
uttered.
And surprise surprise you are unable to give evidence of such aYes I am, but clearly you don't watch the news or read any news reports. >> https://www.labour.org.nz/news-release_school_lunches_line_election
statement . . .
And from a Labour party publication indeed. Chippy has not stepped back from
that slur.
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