• NZ is now an apartheid country.

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 23:19:33 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division
    A list of Labour driven race based policies and actions. All contributing to race based segregation.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Sep 21 18:28:34 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 11:19:36 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division
    A list of Labour driven race based policies and actions. All contributing to race based segregation.

    Marxist always try and divide a nation when taking it over!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Sep 22 16:10:48 2023
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 23:19:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division
    A list of Labour driven race based policies and actions. All contributing to >race based segregation.

    It has not been universally supported in comments - for example see
    the following comment from 4 days ago from "Full Marks":

    "The article is full of misinformation and cherry picked half truths.
    One example is the claim that money from the Provincial Growth Fund
    channeled into marae renovations, and Maori and Pasifika businesses
    was questioned by the Office of the Auditor-General.


    Incorrect. The Auditor General was unable to determine if the PGF
    reset represented good value for money. The PGF fund was to address
    the expected economic impact of Covid-19 pandemic on regional NZ. It
    had nothing to do with Maori businesses.


    Anyway take the points in the article with scepticism unless you
    understand the context from where they’re taken."

    and immediately below that:
    "The article is full of misinformation and cherry picked half truths.
    One example is the claim that in the NZ Health Strategy report 2023,
    ”Maori’ or ‘Iwi’ are mentioned 169 times while ‘European’ is
    mentioned 4 times”. That is true but what he neglected to say was that
    “all New Zealanders” is mentioned 17 times. Also women are mentioned 4
    times more than men, so what?


    Why are Maori mentioned more than all New Zealanders? Maybe it has
    something to do with the fact Maori are over represented in the poor
    health statistics and the Ministry of Health wants to improve Maori
    health outcomes along with all New Zealanders. Continuing to do what
    they’ve always done isn’t going to improve the health of Maori.


    Anyway take the points in the article with scepticism unless you
    understand the context from where they’re taken."

    ________________________________

    The sort of bigotry displayed in the article is repeated in other
    forums - for example see https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/09/alex_holland_on_all_of_labours_race_based_policies.html

    which attracted on comment that is worth repeating:
    "Wayne Mapp
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

    A fair bit of this list relates to various treaty settlements dating
    back as far as the late 1980’s.
    Is any one seriously suggesting that we stop all treaty settlements,
    which cover far more than payment of money. A lot of the settlements
    relate to conservation and related issues and necessarily include the governance and management of such issues.
    A list that jumbles all those things into what the current government
    has done is virtually in the same space as Julian Batchelor." _____________________

    Rich80105 comment: I find it interesting that Kiwiblog would allow a
    post from a prominent ex-National MP and Cabinet Minister. It may
    indicate that Farrar is not taking much interest in the site
    moderation any more; but just as Farrar assisted the establishment of
    the "NZ Taxpayer Union" to act as a conduit to support both ACT and
    National in a structure that can attract donations without them
    counting as political, he has become an enabler for the current "dirty
    tricks" operators, along the lines that when ACT/Nat are in
    opposition, any attacks on a Labour-led government are to be
    encouraged.

    Christopher Luxon did in effect acknowledge some of the views
    expressed by Wayne Mapp in the comment above. As for the reference to
    Julian Batchelor - Mapp was effectively saying that the list posted
    was akin to disinformation:
    _______________________

    Julian Batchelor has been in the news recently https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/07/julian-batchelor-under-investigation-over-anti-co-governance-pamphlets/

    which includes this:
    "Batchelor’s comments are being closely watched by independent
    research group, The Disinformation Project.

    Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa, a researcher with the Disinformation Project,
    says the information spread on Mr Batchelor’s various Stop
    Co-Governance websites and social channels, including the pamphlet, "
    is extremely worrying. It is what you would call dangerous speech. It
    incites hate, and it instigates harm offline".

    "This is racist rhetoric. This is colonialism's long shadow.

    "The Disinformation Project has looked at what he has said, what he
    has printed, and what he's published. The traffic to his websites are significant and have shown significant month on month increase over
    the course of 2023, so he is influential," Hattotuwa said.

    He said people should not underestimate the level of engagement he is receiving.

    "[On these websites and social channels] there is open talk,
    repeatedly, of civil war. There is open calls for weaponisation, and
    for taking up weapons. There is the sustained targeting of Maori," he
    said.

    "The entire weight of academic research and for me, lived experience,
    in a region and a country which has seen this escalation of dangerous
    speech online is that it never stays online and that someone,
    somewhere, someday, somehow is going to take it very seriously upon
    themselves to act out what is being invited, instigated and invoked." ______________________________

    It does appear that you too are going down a number of the
    disinformation peddlers twisted and bizarre rabbit holes, Tony.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 22 04:51:11 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 23:19:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/alex-holland-race-based-division
    A list of Labour driven race based policies and actions. All contributing to >>race based segregation.

    It has not been universally supported in comments - for example see
    the following comment from 4 days ago from "Full Marks":

    "The article is full of misinformation and cherry picked half truths.
    One example is the claim that money from the Provincial Growth Fund
    channeled into marae renovations, and Maori and Pasifika businesses
    was questioned by the Office of the Auditor-General.


    Incorrect. The Auditor General was unable to determine if the PGF
    reset represented good value for money. The PGF fund was to address
    the expected economic impact of Covid-19 pandemic on regional NZ. It
    had nothing to do with Maori businesses.


    Anyway take the points in the article with scepticism unless you
    understand the context from where they’re taken."

    and immediately below that:
    "The article is full of misinformation and cherry picked half truths.
    One example is the claim that in the NZ Health Strategy report 2023,
    ”Maori’ or ‘Iwi’ are mentioned 169 times while ‘European’ is
    mentioned 4 times”. That is true but what he neglected to say was that
    “all New Zealanders” is mentioned 17 times. Also women are mentioned 4
    times more than men, so what?


    Why are Maori mentioned more than all New Zealanders? Maybe it has
    something to do with the fact Maori are over represented in the poor
    health statistics and the Ministry of Health wants to improve Maori
    health outcomes along with all New Zealanders. Continuing to do what
    they’ve always done isn’t going to improve the health of Maori.


    Anyway take the points in the article with scepticism unless you
    understand the context from where they’re taken."

    ________________________________

    The sort of bigotry displayed in the article is repeated in other
    forums - for example see >https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/09/alex_holland_on_all_of_labours_race_based_policies.html

    which attracted on comment that is worth repeating:
    "Wayne Mapp
    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

    A fair bit of this list relates to various treaty settlements dating
    back as far as the late 1980’s.
    Is any one seriously suggesting that we stop all treaty settlements,
    which cover far more than payment of money. A lot of the settlements
    relate to conservation and related issues and necessarily include the >governance and management of such issues.
    A list that jumbles all those things into what the current government
    has done is virtually in the same space as Julian Batchelor." >_____________________

    Rich80105 comment: I find it interesting that Kiwiblog would allow a
    post from a prominent ex-National MP and Cabinet Minister. It may
    indicate that Farrar is not taking much interest in the site
    moderation any more; but just as Farrar assisted the establishment of
    the "NZ Taxpayer Union" to act as a conduit to support both ACT and
    National in a structure that can attract donations without them
    counting as political, he has become an enabler for the current "dirty >tricks" operators, along the lines that when ACT/Nat are in
    opposition, any attacks on a Labour-led government are to be
    encouraged.

    Christopher Luxon did in effect acknowledge some of the views
    expressed by Wayne Mapp in the comment above. As for the reference to
    Julian Batchelor - Mapp was effectively saying that the list posted
    was akin to disinformation:
    _______________________

    Julian Batchelor has been in the news recently >https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/08/07/julian-batchelor-under-investigation-over-anti-co-governance-pamphlets/

    which includes this:
    "Batchelor’s comments are being closely watched by independent
    research group, The Disinformation Project.

    Dr Sanjana Hattotuwa, a researcher with the Disinformation Project,
    says the information spread on Mr Batchelor’s various Stop
    Co-Governance websites and social channels, including the pamphlet, "
    is extremely worrying. It is what you would call dangerous speech. It
    incites hate, and it instigates harm offline".

    "This is racist rhetoric. This is colonialism's long shadow.

    "The Disinformation Project has looked at what he has said, what he
    has printed, and what he's published. The traffic to his websites are >significant and have shown significant month on month increase over
    the course of 2023, so he is influential," Hattotuwa said.

    He said people should not underestimate the level of engagement he is >receiving.

    "[On these websites and social channels] there is open talk,
    repeatedly, of civil war. There is open calls for weaponisation, and
    for taking up weapons. There is the sustained targeting of Maori," he
    said.

    "The entire weight of academic research and for me, lived experience,
    in a region and a country which has seen this escalation of dangerous
    speech online is that it never stays online and that someone,
    somewhere, someday, somehow is going to take it very seriously upon >themselves to act out what is being invited, instigated and invoked." >______________________________

    It does appear that you too are going down a number of the
    disinformation peddlers twisted and bizarre rabbit holes, Tony.
    Why the abuse?
    An honetly posted article and you made some valid points and then became offensive.
    So why do you do it?
    Is it limited intrellect or some sort of mental condition?
    Anyway, the cites you made to other sources are of course irrelevant, nothing that is not directly related to my posted article is relevant.
    And as for the comments made on that article - so a few of what is there are disputed - good! That is healthy. But what you posted in no way disputes the majority of the absolutely irrefutable items in the article - and you know that is true.
    We are now an apartheid country unitil such time as we get a government with sufficient integrity to stop this nonsense.
    And that is fact!

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