• So we ay not have been in a recession

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 12:45:34 2023
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 02:56:26 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 19:24:24 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:53:25 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have managed the economy well,” he said.
    Revised figures? Who's? Because Robertson seems to have trouble counting past ten without taking his shoes off. May have Rich. A lot of people will disagree with you and the left wing Spinoff :)

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 21:08:46 2023
    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per capita GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Sep 21 17:00:35 2023
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >>_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony. He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Thu Sep 21 16:56:07 2023
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:53:25?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Revised figures? Who's? Because Robertson seems to have trouble counting past ten without taking his shoes off. May have Rich. A lot of people will disagree with you and the left wing Spinoff :)

    They show that NZ has done better than Australia, Canada, the USA etc.
    These are official numbers - no political influence during an election
    period.

    Suck it up - it shows that Labour have been better economic managers
    than National in their terms.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 17:07:14 2023
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per capita GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level.

    There are certainly other influences, but you do put in perspective
    Luxom saying that they will increase immigration significantly - but
    without explaining where those immigrants will live - all he does has
    more profits for landlords and property owners . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 22:23:30 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 5:15:02 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >> As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per capita GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level.
    There are certainly other influences, but you do put in perspective
    Luxom saying that they will increase immigration significantly - but
    without explaining where those immigrants will live - all he does has
    more profits for landlords and property owners . . .
    Don't be silly Rich! They'll live in the 100,000 houses Labour will build in the next two weeks!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 22:19:00 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 5:03:58 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:53:25?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >> As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Revised figures? Who's? Because Robertson seems to have trouble counting past ten without taking his shoes off. May have Rich. A lot of people will disagree with you and the left wing Spinoff :)
    They show that NZ has done better than Australia, Canada, the USA etc.
    These are official numbers - no political influence during an election period.

    Suck it up - it shows that Labour have been better economic managers
    than National in their terms.
    Funny that Labour leaves large government debt when they get tossed as you very well know. so stop lying and provide some evidence that doesn't just cover up and distract from your lies as is your usual trick!

    Government debt of $100b + proves you are as usual lying! Robertson is the worst finance minister in NZ history and you're incapable of proving me wrong!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 22:22:06 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 5:08:23 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March >>quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >>As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >>quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >>Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and >>transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had >>predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >>_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government >>has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than >>expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >>the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our >>recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >>figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows >>how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.
    You really are losing your marbles, Tony. He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    The lost marbles are all yours Rich! Robertson is an even bigger liar than you are and the worst finance minister in NZ history!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 06:43:19 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase >>increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per capita
    GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level.

    There are certainly other influences, but you do put in perspective
    Luxom saying that they will increase immigration significantly - but
    without explaining where those immigrants will live - all he does has
    more profits for landlords and property owners . . .
    Your repetitive attacks on Luxon are silly - you have nothing substantive to say. Maybe you could criticise Chippy for a bit of balance - that would be fun.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 06:46:20 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March >>>quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >>>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >>>quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >>>Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and >>>transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had >>>predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >>>_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our >>>recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >>>figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You are naieve.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 20 23:55:02 2023
    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 17:03:58 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:53:25?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >> As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Revised figures? Who's? Because Robertson seems to have trouble counting past ten without taking his shoes off. May have Rich. A lot of people will disagree with you and the left wing Spinoff :)
    They show that NZ has done better than Australia, Canada, the USA etc.

    Complete garbage. Australia has had seven consecutive quarters of GDP growth. USA last two quarters have been +2%

    Both of these are better than NZ and neither are relying on immigration to prop up its GDP.

    These are official numbers - no political influence during an election period.

    Suck it up - it shows that Labour have been better economic managers
    than National in their terms.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 06:58:21 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:53:25?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Revised figures? Who's? Because Robertson seems to have trouble counting past >>ten without taking his shoes off. May have Rich. A lot of people will disagree
    with you and the left wing Spinoff :)

    They show that NZ has done better than Australia, Canada, the USA etc.
    These are official numbers - no political influence during an election >period.

    Suck it up - it shows that Labour have been better economic managers
    than National in their terms.
    Tell that to the people of New ZEaland. You and Grant Robertson share the same arrogance. https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/outraged-finance-minister-accused-of-insulting-kiwis-over-gdp-figures/ar-AA1h1CbC?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=e373bbe586fa490ee682f9dbfdc37a93&ei=7
    What an insulting man, time to give way to someone who is actually competent. No surprise that he saw what was coming and got onto the list before he got dumped by Wellington.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 06:41:32 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:24:24 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:53:25?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Revised figures? Who's? Because Robertson seems to have trouble counting past >>ten without taking his shoes off. May have Rich. A lot of people will disagree
    with you and the left wing Spinoff :)

    They show that NZ has done better than Australia, Canada, the USA etc.
    These are official numbers - no political influence during an election >period.

    Suck it up - it shows that Labour have been better economic managers
    than National in their terms.
    It shows nothing of the sort - more fantasies.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Sep 21 21:24:26 2023
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:43:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase >>>increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per capita
    GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level. >>
    There are certainly other influences, but you do put in perspective
    Luxom saying that they will increase immigration significantly - but >>without explaining where those immigrants will live - all he does has
    more profits for landlords and property owners . . .
    Your repetitive attacks on Luxon are silly - you have nothing substantive to >say. Maybe you could criticise Chippy for a bit of balance - that would be fun.

    Chippy has far more than just a bit of balance - Luxon is now showing
    that he cannot change course when the road goes around a bend; he is
    incapable of recognising good economic management; which he appears to
    measure by profits for wealthy property owners . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Sep 21 21:28:23 2023
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March >>>>quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >>>>As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >>>>it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>>>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >>>>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >>>>quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >>>>Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and >>>>transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was >>>>also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and >>>>June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had >>>>predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >>>>_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>>>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >>>>in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>>>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >>>>did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than >>>>expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >>>>the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of >>>>extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>>>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our >>>>recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >>>>figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>>>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I >doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on
    Robertson.


    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And >this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You >are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in
    over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 03:31:54 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:32:14 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:43:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in >>>> a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >>>> it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected, >>>> but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>>> economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >>>> showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >>>> quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >>>> Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline >>>> in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was >>>> also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and >>>> June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>>> Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government >>>> has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >>>> in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>>> recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >>>> did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >>>> the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>>> Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >>>> figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows >>>> how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>>> managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase >>>increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per capita
    GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level.

    There are certainly other influences, but you do put in perspective >>Luxom saying that they will increase immigration significantly - but >>without explaining where those immigrants will live - all he does has >>more profits for landlords and property owners . . .
    Your repetitive attacks on Luxon are silly - you have nothing substantive to
    say. Maybe you could criticise Chippy for a bit of balance - that would be fun.
    Chippy has far more than just a bit of balance - Luxon is now showing
    that he cannot change course when the road goes around a bend; he is incapable of recognising good economic management; which he appears to measure by profits for wealthy property owners . . .
    Chippy is desperately making promises he knows he'll never have to fulfill. The useless bugger should stick to photo ops of him filling his face!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 20:36:49 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in >>>>>a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March >>>>>quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >>>>>As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >>>>>it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected, >>>>>but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>>>>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >>>>>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >>>>>quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >>>>>Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and >>>>>transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline >>>>>in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was >>>>>also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and >>>>>June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had >>>>>predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >>>>>_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>>>>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government >>>>>has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >>>>>in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>>>>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >>>>>did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than >>>>>expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >>>>>the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of >>>>>extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>>>>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our >>>>>recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >>>>>figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows >>>>>how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>>>>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at >>>>least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I >>doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on >Robertson.
    You are following nobody else's lead - you start the abuse and you double down on it - always you!
    Nothing cowardly about criticising an incompetent, something Robertson has noiw demonstrated he is.
    What really intrigues me is that you took my comment as a personal attack on Robertson - and it clearly was not. You are desperate and it shows.


    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to >>>affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. >>And
    this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You >>are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in
    over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.
    You don't have a clue what I believe. But I do not believe the leaders of this particular government work to the same high standards of integrity that any previous government has. Yes, "any" previous government. If you trust this government you are a fool.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Sep 21 20:30:54 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:43:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:08:46 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:

    On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 12:53:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in >>>>> a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >>>>> As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >>>>> it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>>>> economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline >>>>> in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>>>> Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >>>>> in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>>>> recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >>>>> did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >>>>> the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>>>> managed the economy well,” he said.

    NZ barely avoids technical recession by immigration. Population increase >>>>increases GDP. That is not helpful. What matters is productivity, or per >>>>capita
    GDP. Note that per capita GDP is still 1.4% below the September 2022 level. >>>
    There are certainly other influences, but you do put in perspective
    Luxom saying that they will increase immigration significantly - but >>>without explaining where those immigrants will live - all he does has >>>more profits for landlords and property owners . . .
    Your repetitive attacks on Luxon are silly - you have nothing substantive to >>say. Maybe you could criticise Chippy for a bit of balance - that would be >>fun.

    Chippy has far more than just a bit of balance - Luxon is now showing
    that he cannot change course when the road goes around a bend; he is >incapable of recognising good economic management; which he appears to >measure by profits for wealthy property owners . . .
    What a silly post. Do try to keep to the topic and the level of intellect that other posters display, you fall so far short it must embarrass you.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 14:29:01 2023
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:36:11 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in >>>>a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March >>>>quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >>>>it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected, >>>>but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >>>>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >>>>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >>>>quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >>>>Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and >>>>transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline >>>>in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was >>>>also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and >>>>June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had >>>>predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%. >>>>_________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >>>>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government >>>>has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >>>>in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >>>>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >>>>did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than >>>>expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >>>>the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of >>>>extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >>>>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our >>>>recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >>>>figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows >>>>how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >>>>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I >doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on Robertson.
    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to >>affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And
    this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You
    are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in
    over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.
    Looking a lot like Robertson like you and Labour is a compulsive liar and disassembler of disinformation Rich! The experts seem to think we're in for six months pf pain which sounds very much like a recession! 0.9% rise sounds like a Clayton avoidance
    of a recession to me...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300975495/economy-in-2024-next-six-months-will-be-painful-for-households

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 16:02:35 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:30:49 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:29:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:36:11?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in >> >>>>a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >> >>>>it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected, >> >>>>but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >> >>>>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >> >>>>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this >> >>>>quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason >> >>>>Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline >> >>>>in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was >> >>>>also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and >> >>>>June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >> >>>>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government >> >>>>has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >> >>>>in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >> >>>>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >> >>>>did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New >> >>>>Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s >> >>>>figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows >> >>>>how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I
    doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on
    Robertson.
    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And
    this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You
    are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in
    over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.
    Looking a lot like Robertson like you and Labour is a compulsive liar and disassembler of disinformation Rich! The experts seem to think we're in for six months pf pain which sounds very much like a recession! 0.9% rise sounds like a Clayton avoidance
    of a recession to me...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300975495/economy-in-2024-next-six-months-will-be-painful-for-households
    As you have agreed, while the increase in GDP was small, we did
    nevertheless not go into recession as so many other countries have.
    Given the problems we have experienced with flood and storm damage, following the Covid period, this is an excellent result, and better
    than that of many other countries. And it was achieved while having
    lower taxes overall than most other countries.
    Rubbish! You'll believe anything Robertson or Labour tell you. The real people don't believe a word of it! It's got nothing to do with the events Labour still hasn't addressed and everything to do with Labours failure to respond to crisis in a timely
    manner! Or a fiscally responsible manner!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 10:23:02 2023
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:29:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:36:11?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I >> >doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on
    Robertson.
    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And
    this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You
    are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in
    over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.
    Looking a lot like Robertson like you and Labour is a compulsive liar and disassembler of disinformation Rich! The experts seem to think we're in for six months pf pain which sounds very much like a recession! 0.9% rise sounds like a Clayton avoidance
    of a recession to me...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300975495/economy-in-2024-next-six-months-will-be-painful-for-households

    As you have agreed, while the increase in GDP was small, we did
    nevertheless not go into recession as so many other countries have.
    Given the problems we have experienced with flood and storm damage,
    following the Covid period, this is an excellent result, and better
    than that of many other countries. And it was achieved while having
    lower taxes overall than most other countries.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Sep 22 14:08:09 2023
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:30:49?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:29:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:36:11?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in >> >> >>>>a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March
    quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%. >> >> >>>>As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth, >> >> >>>>it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected, >> >> >>>>but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the >> >> >>>>economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22, >> >> >>>>showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and
    transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline >> >> >>>>in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was >> >> >>>>also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and >> >> >>>>June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had
    predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed >> >> >>>>Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government >> >> >>>>has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0% >> >> >>>>in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a >> >> >>>>recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy >> >> >>>>did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in >> >> >>>>the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of
    extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our
    recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows >> >> >>>>how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have >> >> >>>>managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I
    doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on
    Robertson.
    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to
    affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past.
    No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And
    this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You
    are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in
    over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.
    Looking a lot like Robertson like you and Labour is a compulsive liar and disassembler of disinformation Rich! The experts seem to think we're in for six months pf pain which sounds very much like a recession! 0.9% rise sounds like a Clayton
    avoidance of a recession to me...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300975495/economy-in-2024-next-six-months-will-be-painful-for-households
    As you have agreed, while the increase in GDP was small, we did
    nevertheless not go into recession as so many other countries have.
    Given the problems we have experienced with flood and storm damage,
    following the Covid period, this is an excellent result, and better
    than that of many other countries. And it was achieved while having
    lower taxes overall than most other countries.
    Rubbish! You'll believe anything Robertson or Labour tell you. The real people don't believe a word of it! It's got nothing to do with the events Labour still hasn't addressed and everything to do with Labours failure to respond to crisis in a timely
    manner! Or a fiscally responsible manner!

    The reality that internationally we have low taxation comes from an international comparison that I posted some time ago. Nobody disputed
    the conclusion - from memory NZ is about third lowest overall . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 21 20:57:16 2023
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 2:15:56 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 16:02:35 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 10:30:49?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:29:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 9:36:11?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:46:20 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:56:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/21-09-2023/revised-figures-show-nz-escaped-recession-just


    Revised figures show NZ escaped recession – just
    Revised figures from Stats NZ show New Zealand may never have been in
    a recession.

    Over the latest quarter, GDP was up by 0.9% with the revised March >> >> >>>>quarter showing the economy didn’t grow or shrink – it was a flat 0%.
    As a recession requires two back-to-back quarters of negative growth,
    it appears the economy may have escaped more lightly than expected,
    but only just.

    Initially, back in June, Stats NZ had reported a 0.1% decline in the
    economy in the March 2023 quarter. The quarter before, December 22,
    showed a -0.5% drop.

    In the year ending June, GDP was up 3.2%.

    “Business services was the biggest driver of economic growth this
    quarter, largely due to computer system design,” Stats NZ’s Jason
    Attewell said of the latest figures.

    “Following the impacts of Cyclone Gabrielle, both education and >> >> >>>>transport, postal, and warehousing grew this quarter after a decline
    in the March quarter. Agriculture, forestry, and fishing, which was
    also impacted by extreme weather events, fell in both the March and
    June quarters.”

    The 0.9% growth is slightly higher than what most economists had >> >> >>>>predicted, with estimates largely ranging from 0.4% to 0.8%.
    _________________________________
    and:


    Robertson says latest GDP figures show economy has been well managed
    Grant Robertson said today’s GDP figures show the Labour government
    has managed the economy well.

    The 0.9% growth in the economy followed a revised figure of a flat 0%
    in the last quarter, meaning New Zealand technically skirted around a
    recession (though if you look one decimal point further, the economy
    did shrink by 0.01% in March).

    In a statement, Robertson said the economy is doing better than
    expected. “The economy is turning a corner and showing its mettle in
    the face of a deteriorating global environment and the impact of >> >> >>>>extreme weather events,” the finance minister said.

    “Our economic plan is delivering a solid foundation to support New
    Zealanders dealing with the cost of living while investing in our >> >> >>>>recovery to build a stronger and more resilient economy.”

    Fronting for reporters in Wellington, Robertson added that today’s
    figures show that the economy was turning a corner. “Everyone knows
    how challenging the past few years have been… I believe that we have
    managed the economy well,” he said.
    Altogetner a pointless post.
    What Robertson says is unreliable at best and significiantly biased at least.

    You really are losing your marbles, Tony.
    OK once more why the abuse? Can you post one day without abusing someone? I
    doubt it - there is a challange for you. You will fail however.
    Just following your lead - but justified by your cowardly attack on
    Robertson.
    He was commenting on a
    report that was published by the Public Service. He was not able to >> >> >>affect the results by other than the good economic decisions made
    during the period being reported on - and that is all in the past. >> >> >No good will come of that silliness - Robertson and the Prefu was a joke. And
    this is no better. You believe he has no influence on "official" reports? You
    are naieve.
    The numbers were released by the Department of Statistics in
    accordance with normal timetables - it is common for data to come in >> >> over time; they look at corrections to recent data as well as
    indications for the next period. Even in the time of Key / English
    Ministers were not able to insist on incorrect numbers in such
    reports; clearly you believe that they could.
    Looking a lot like Robertson like you and Labour is a compulsive liar and disassembler of disinformation Rich! The experts seem to think we're in for six months pf pain which sounds very much like a recession! 0.9% rise sounds like a Clayton
    avoidance of a recession to me...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/300975495/economy-in-2024-next-six-months-will-be-painful-for-households
    As you have agreed, while the increase in GDP was small, we did
    nevertheless not go into recession as so many other countries have.
    Given the problems we have experienced with flood and storm damage,
    following the Covid period, this is an excellent result, and better
    than that of many other countries. And it was achieved while having
    lower taxes overall than most other countries.
    Rubbish! You'll believe anything Robertson or Labour tell you. The real people don't believe a word of it! It's got nothing to do with the events Labour still hasn't addressed and everything to do with Labours failure to respond to crisis in a timely
    manner! Or a fiscally responsible manner!
    The reality that internationally we have low taxation comes from an international comparison that I posted some time ago. Nobody disputed
    the conclusion - from memory NZ is about third lowest overall . . .
    Yet Labour still manages to keep increasing taxation and fees during a cost of living crisis! I don't give a fuck about other countries. I live in NZ and that's where it matters especially with the useless bastards in control at the moment grizzling
    because they don't have enough money to waste on frivolous and virtue signalling bullshit!

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