Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >from that what you will:You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of fraudulent behaviour however.
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would >want this cleared up.
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >>from that what you will:You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of fraudulent behaviour however.
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would >>want this cleared up.
On 2023-09-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Neither do I but I do care whether he tells the truth to the country., but like many his actions fall into the
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >>>from that what you will:You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would >>>want this cleared up.
fraudulent behaviour however.
And that is the important point, their record. Personally I care not whether >or not James Shaw has a degree
neither confirm or deny basket, which a penny to a pound he has not got a >degree.
The court of public opinion will rule Okay.
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >>from that what you will:You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >fraudulent behaviour however.
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would >>want this cleared up.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyTypical leftard twit! Out of touch with the reality his favoured politicians are liars just like him!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. TakeYou would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >fraudulent behaviour however.
from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would
want this cleared up.
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or
deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High
School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its
link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives
them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but
more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the
2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyPut your abuse away you silly old man.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >>>from that what you will:You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >>fraudulent behaviour however.
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would >>>want this cleared up.
You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or
deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High
School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its
link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives
them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but
more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the
2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
Try looking at
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyPut your abuse away you silly old man.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >>>>from that what you will:You would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >>>fraudulent behaviour however.
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would
want this cleared up.
You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or
deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High
School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its
link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives
them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but
more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the
2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
I did not slur James Shaw in any way at all.
You really do not have much ability to problem solve do you.
James Shaw has not demonstrated that he has a degree and as I have said I don't
care. But he does need to be honest in his position.
If he has a degree he should show that he has. The question has been asked of >him.
Oh by the way, shove your sarcasm up to the hilt.
And the other thing I mentioned is the history of the Green party to be >fraudulent. Does the name Metiria Turei mean anything to you.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:16:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:James Shaw does not need to - I posted this link above, but clearly
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyPut your abuse away you silly old man.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. TakeYou would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >>>fraudulent behaviour however.
from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would
want this cleared up.
You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or >>deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High >>School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management >>where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its >>link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives >>them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but >>more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the >>2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
I did not slur James Shaw in any way at all.
You really do not have much ability to problem solve do you.
James Shaw has not demonstrated that he has a degree and as I have said I don't
care. But he does need to be honest in his position.
you either did not read it or got confused again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
(See under "Notable Alumni" . . . )
If he has a degree he should show that he has. The question has been asked of
him.
Oh by the way, shove your sarcasm up to the hilt.
And the other thing I mentioned is the history of the Green party to be >fraudulent. Does the name Metiria Turei mean anything to you.
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 18:49:37 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:*won't* allow
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:16:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:James Shaw does not need to - I posted this link above, but clearly
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyPut your abuse away you silly old man.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. TakeYou would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >>>fraudulent behaviour however.
from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would
want this cleared up.
You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least >>simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or >>deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you >>than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High >>School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management >>where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its >>link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives >>them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the >>intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but >>more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the >>2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
I did not slur James Shaw in any way at all.
You really do not have much ability to problem solve do you.
James Shaw has not demonstrated that he has a degree and as I have said I don't
care. But he does need to be honest in his position.
you either did not read it or got confused again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
(See under "Notable Alumni" . . . )Are you so stupid, so ignorant that you don't understand that wikipedia is not authoritative and that anyone can put anything there? Even wikipedia itself clearly states this:
If he has a degree he should show that he has. The question has been asked of
him.
Oh by the way, shove your sarcasm up to the hilt.
And the other thing I mentioned is the history of the Green party to be >fraudulent. Does the name Metiria Turei mean anything to you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_is_not_a_reliable_source
It is not an official University of Bath website.
Shaw allow UoB to supply his application and degree details. He's hiding something.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)Wikipedia is not a reliable site.
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/Off topic by a country mile.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:16:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:James Shaw does not need to - I posted this link above, but clearly
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyPut your abuse away you silly old man.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. TakeYou would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >>>fraudulent behaviour however.
from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would
want this cleared up.
You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or >>deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High >>School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management >>where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its
link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives >>them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but >>more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the >>2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
I did not slur James Shaw in any way at all.
You really do not have much ability to problem solve do you.
James Shaw has not demonstrated that he has a degree and as I have said I don't
care. But he does need to be honest in his position.
you either did not read it or got confused again: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
(See under "Notable Alumni" . . . )
If he has a degree he should show that he has. The question has been asked of
him.
Oh by the way, shove your sarcasm up to the hilt.
And the other thing I mentioned is the history of the Green party to be >fraudulent. Does the name Metiria Turei mean anything to you.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:16:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat proves nothing other than he attended.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 01:07:31 -0000 (UTC), TonyPut your abuse away you silly old man.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. >>>>>TakeYou would think, but not this government. The Greens have a history of >>>>fraudulent behaviour however.
from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government >>>>>would
want this cleared up.
You have previously demonstrated that you are capable of at least
simple searches on the internet, Tony - so is your confusion or >>>deliberate misunderstanding or just yet another attempt to slur
someone that has never done you any harm? I do expect more from you
than from JohnO, but you chose to pick up and run with his silly post
- it does not show you in a good light.
Try looking at >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Shaw_(New_Zealand_politician)
Note that this website merely says that he attended Wellington High >>>School and Victoria University of Wellington.
and
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/minister/biography/james-shaw
and to confirm it from yet another source, see: >>>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management >>>where James Shaw is one of those listed as a Notable alumni, and its
link leads back to the Wikipedia article I gave above
2005 is a long time ago, and, like most people with a degree, it gives >>>them some knowledge and research skills to keep up with the
intellectual challenges of whatever field they choose to work in, but >>>more relevant now is that he has been a Member of Parliament since the >>>2014 election, and one of the Leaders of the Green Party since 2015.
I did not slur James Shaw in any way at all.
You really do not have much ability to problem solve do you.
James Shaw has not demonstrated that he has a degree and as I have said I >>don't
care. But he does need to be honest in his position.
James Shaw does not need to - I posted this link above, but clearly
you either did not read it or got confused again: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Bath_School_of_Management
(See under "Notable Alumni" . . . )
If he has a degree he should show that he has. The question has been asked of >>him.
Oh by the way, shove your sarcasm up to the hilt.
And the other thing I mentioned is the history of the Green party to be >>fraudulent. Does the name Metiria Turei mean anything to you.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesbtw Rich. can you provide evidence that your degree isn't as mythical as Shaws seems to be?
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is >> >> the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesUndecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for determining what they will do.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at >>the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few >>weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is >>> >> the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt
think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including >allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesSo you live in hope that 12% will vote Labour?
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is >> >> the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>Go to: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
wrote:You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>> >> wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school >>> lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had >plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would >look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t >think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including >allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in >2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase >another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the >results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with >Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassedUndecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for determining what they will do.
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Undecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for >determining what they will do.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >>>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is >>>> >> the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >>>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had >>plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt
think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including >>allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with >>Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:47:12?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesSo you live in hope that 12% will vote Labour?
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >> >> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is >> >> >> the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >> >> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt
think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including
allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
1001 eligible voters? Why such a pissant number?
On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 14:54:44 UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesUndecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Go to:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at
wrote:
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a
credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >> >>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No
matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >> >>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is
why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is
has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt
think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including
allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
determining what they will do.
So the debate is fatuous.
My bet is that Labour get less than 25% in the election. Despondent lefties will be too apathetic and discouraged to bother voting so their polling will be overstated.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:27:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 12:47:12?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:That is the number of people surveyed - it balances cost against
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesSo you live in hope that 12% will vote Labour?
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>Go to:
wrote:You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking at the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >> >> >> wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school >> >> lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >> >> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >> >> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >> >> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >> >> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >> >> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t
think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including >> allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
1001 eligible voters? Why such a pissant number?
greater accuracy.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:10:47 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 14:54:44 UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesUndecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for >> determining what they will do.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >> >>> wrote:Go to:
You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking atOn Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >> >>> >> wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >> >>> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >> >>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >> >>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted >> >>> lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million >> >>> (Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >> >>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer >> >>> deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but >> >>> someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >> >>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above 20% :)
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would >> >look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t
think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including >> >allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in >> >2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
My bet is that Labour get less than 25% in the election. Despondent lefties will be too apathetic and discouraged to bother voting so their polling will be overstated.Your muddled thinking still points out that the polls may be
unreliable.
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 21:10:47 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>Of course they are unreliable, but you continue to mention them. The undecided mean nothing and the polls mean nothing. In a very short time there will be a very meaningful poll - till then indulge your fantasies.
wrote:
On Thursday, 21 September 2023 at 14:54:44 UTC+12, Tony wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John BowesUndecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>> >>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
wrote:You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>> >>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>> >>> >> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >>> >>> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >>> >>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >>> >>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >>> >>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below >>> >>> >>is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >>> >>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school >>> >>> lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targetedhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >>> >>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >>> >>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
looking at
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a >>> >>few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above >>> >>20% :)
Go to:https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had
plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would
look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt
think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including
allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in
2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the
results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with
Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
determining what they will do.
So the debate is fatuous.
My bet is that Labour get less than 25% in the election. Despondent lefties >>will be too apathetic and discouraged to bother voting so their polling will be
overstated.
Your muddled thinking still points out that the polls may be
unreliable.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:54:41 -0000 (UTC), TonySo why are you focussing on undecided voters - what a waste of your limited ability.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Undecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for >>determining what they will do.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>Go to: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
wrote:You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking >>>>at
On Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>> >> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >>>>> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >>>>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >>>>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >>>>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is >>>>> >> the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >>>>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one:
That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school >>>>> lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targetedhttps://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million
(Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >>>>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer
deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but
someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >>>>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that
reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a >>>>few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above >>>>20% :) >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls
in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had >>>plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the
numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would >>>look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by
the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt >>>think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including >>>allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in >>>2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest
ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the >>>results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with >>>Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
They may have questioned other than on a strictly random basis, thus
skewing the results. It is why all poll results are irrelevant once
the actual election results are available.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:54:41 -0000 (UTC), TonySo why are you focussing on undecided voters - what a waste of your limited >ability.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Undecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for >>>determining what they will do.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:Go to: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and looking >>>>>atOn Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>> >> wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school >>>>>> lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted >>>>>> lunches) pending a review of costs."
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >>>>>> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >>>>>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >>>>>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >>>>>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >>>>>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one: >>>>>>
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million >>>>>> (Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million."
(Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >>>>>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under
Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer >>>>>> deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but >>>>>> someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage
undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >>>>>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that >>>>>> reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic
predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a >>>>>few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above >>>>>20% :) >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls >>>>in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had >>>>plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the >>>>numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would >>>>look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by >>>>the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt >>>>think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including >>>>allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in >>>>2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase
another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest >>>>ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the >>>>results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with >>>>Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First,
even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working
with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed
1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
They may have questioned other than on a strictly random basis, thus >>skewing the results. It is why all poll results are irrelevant once
the actual election results are available.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:40:46 -0000 (UTC), TonyOnce again Rich the village idiot with an imaginary degree sees his own shortcomings in someone who's far smarter than Rich can ever hope to be!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Clearly the whole discussion was beyond your limited mental faculties.
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:54:41 -0000 (UTC), TonySo why are you focussing on undecided voters - what a waste of your limited >ability.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:Undecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for >>>determining what they will do.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote:Go to: >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and lookingOn Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>> >> wrote:That one is much the same as FALSE for : "• National supports school
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >> >>Try looking atWilly Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >>>>>> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >>>>>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well. >>>>>> >>
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >>>>>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to
be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed"
in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one: >>>>>>
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted >>>>>> lunches) pending a review of costs."
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million >>>>>> (Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million." >>>>>> (Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >>>>>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under >>>>>> Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer >>>>>> deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but >>>>>> someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage >>>>>> undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >>>>>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that >>>>>> reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic >>>>>> predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
at
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a
few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above
20% :) >>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls >>>>in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had >>>>plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the >>>>numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would >>>>look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by >>>>the dip, stating MMP elections were “always close”. He said he didn’t
think the dip was down to concerns over the party’s tax plan including >>>>allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in >>>>2020 “fantastically well” and he would be delighted to increase >>>>another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest >>>>ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the >>>>results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with >>>>Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First, >>>>even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working >>>>with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed >>>>1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
They may have questioned other than on a strictly random basis, thus >>skewing the results. It is why all poll results are irrelevant once
the actual election results are available.
This was an unusual report in that it gave the level of undecided -
usually they just assume that undecided will vote in the same
proportions as those that have decided. Yes it makes the results less meaningful - but still well above the level of meaning in your posts .
. .
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 06:40:46 -0000 (UTC), TonyMore abuse from you and a stupid bit of illogical nonsense.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 02:54:41 -0000 (UTC), TonySo why are you focussing on undecided voters - what a waste of your limited >>ability.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 16:47:54 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Undecided voptes can go several ways. There is no scientific method for >>>>determining what they will do.
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 10:16:29?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 13:52:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote:Go to: >>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
You talking about this one? Can't see anything about undecided and >>>>>>lookingOn Wednesday, 20 September 2023 at 19:03:18 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> >> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 05:30:27 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>> >> wrote:
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Willy Nilly, you have gone even further than Tony in deleting all >>>>>>> >> parts of the previous messages that you clearly did not follow. No >>>>>>> >> matter, Tony proved incapable of simple fact checks as well.
Try looking at
None of your palaver shows anything, Rich, and Wikipedia is not a >>>>>>> >> >credible source since anybody can write anything on there.
Do you even know what a "fact" is? Your postings show your world to >>>>>>> >> >be constructed out of people's opinions, nothing more.
Thankfully some people do fact check statements - in the link below >>>>>>> >>is
the result for the recent Leader Debate - clearly Luxon is "Relaxed" >>>>>>> >> in making Mostly Untrue and False statements
https://www.1news.co.nz/2023/09/20/fact-check-leaders-claims-in-the-first-debate-put-to-the-test/
Your worthless so-called "fact check" completely missed this one: >>>>>>>
That one is much the same as FALSE for : " National supports school >>>>>>> lunches for all (Luxon) - They support the current policy (targeted >>>>>>> lunches) pending a review of costs."https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/chris-to-chris-in-the-leaders-debate-what-are-you-afraid-of-versus-im-not-afraid-of-anything/TYMTBZHLMZDBPIEQP5AWHUKXFY/
Like you, worthless.
But other important ones were:
MOSTLY UNTRUE: "Foreign home buyers tax would bring in $750 million >>>>>>> (Luxon) - in reality, it is estimated to be about $210 million." >>>>>>> (Yes that is where Luxon and Willis have a half-billion hole which is >>>>>>> why they will not release calculations)
and FALSE: "Every single health outcome has gone backwards under >>>>>>> Labour (Luxon) - Most health outcomes (eg general mortality, cancer >>>>>>> deaths, maternal health) have remained the same or improved."
Thanks for the reference to The Herald's take on the debate -
immediately under that section was results of yet another poll. but >>>>>>> someone slipped up - they do not normally include the percentage >>>>>>> undecided - interesting that it is still around the 12% level that is >>>>>>> has been for some months. The "Horrid" normally tries to hide that >>>>>>> reality - if much of that goes to Labour / Green the enthusiastic >>>>>>> predictions from the right may well be sawdust . . .
at
the figures you're being stupid if you think Labour will pick up 12% in a >>>>>>few
weeks. My call is they'll be lucky to scrape up enough votes to be above >>>>>>20% :) >>>>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/election-2023-latest-political-poll-to-reveal-if-labour-and-hipkins-have-turned-around-slump-national-and-act-gained-more/WRT6XVLCRNAUXF6LK3M3XM2HQM/
and scroll down - :
"20 September, 06:32 pm
Worst result for Labour in 1News polls in six years
According to 1News, it was the worst result for Labour in their polls >>>>>in six years. Then, Andrew Little was the leader and the party had >>>>>plummeted to 24 per cent.
Labour leader Chris Hipkins tried to put a positive spin on the >>>>>numbers, telling 1News National appeared to have peaked and they would >>>>>look to attract those voters.
National's Christopher Luxon meanwhile told 1News he was not fazed by >>>>>the dip, stating MMP elections were always close. He said he didnt >>>>>think the dip was down to concerns over the partys tax plan including >>>>>allowing foreigners to buy properties with a specific tax.
Act leader David Seymour said the party had gone from one to 10 MPs in >>>>>2020 fantastically well and he would be delighted to increase >>>>>another 50 per cent.
Green Party co-leader James Shaw said 15 MPs would be their highest >>>>>ever result, the previous best being 14.
NZ First leader Winston Peters meanwhile told 1News he believed the >>>>>results to be an undercount. Peters has stated he would not work with >>>>>Labour again, while Luxon has not ruled out working with NZ First, >>>>>even though Seymour has indicated he would have difficulty working >>>>>with Peters.
There was 12 per cent of respondents undecided. The poll canvassed >>>>>1001 eligible voters between September 16 and 19."
So the debate is fatuous.
They may have questioned other than on a strictly random basis, thus >>>skewing the results. It is why all poll results are irrelevant once
the actual election results are available.
Clearly the whole discussion was beyond your limited mental faculties.
This was an unusual report in that it gave the level of undecided -
usually they just assume that undecided will vote in the same
proportions as those that have decided. Yes it makes the results less >meaningful - but still well above the level of meaning in your posts .
. .
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would want this cleared up.
Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would want this cleared up.
Well we don't know whether Shaw has a degree or not but Mr Brooks is absolutely correct. We should be able to check whether people in positions of trust and authority are as qualified as they say.Mr Shaw could clear this up pretty quickly but won't provide a waiver. Take >>from that what you will:
https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
So... a government minister may be a fraud. You'd think the government would >>want this cleared up.
An interesting read here about Shaw and the dubious degree: >https://ianwishart.com/2023/09/james-shaws-ex-boss-justifiable-public-interest-to-probe-your-msc-degree/
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