Both leaders delivered some telling blows: neither delivered telling
punch.

A reasonably civil affair: both sides got their message across. Both
Hipkins and Luxon scored from time to time. There was no major debate
on co-governance as enshrined in the water reforms though.

Nothing here to sway decided voters. Undecided's will probably await
future debates.


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On Tuesday, 19 September 2023 at 22:06:37 UTC+12, Crash wrote:

Both leaders delivered some telling blows: neither delivered telling
punch.

A reasonably civil affair: both sides got their message across. Both
Hipkins and Luxon scored from time to time. There was no major debate
on co-governance as enshrined in the water reforms though.

Nothing here to sway decided voters. Undecided's will probably await
future debates.

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Crash McBash

I think that was Chippy's last chance. It was an opportunity for a seasoned politician to put a newbie in his place, but Chippy was passive, got no Labour policy messages out and just tried to criticise National policy - a negative style consistent with
their campaign to date.

This alone made the debate a win to National. Labour are dead and buried.

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Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

Both leaders delivered some telling blows: neither delivered telling
punch.

A reasonably civil affair: both sides got their message across. Both
Hipkins and Luxon scored from time to time. There was no major debate
on co-governance as enshrined in the water reforms though.

Nothing here to sway decided voters. Undecided's will probably await
future debates.

The whole affair was pretty bland I thought apart from the first 5 minutes which was best forgotten.
Altogether a waste of time.

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On Tue, 19 Sep 2023, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

Nothing here to sway decided voters. Undecided's will probably await
future debates.

I should expect the undecideds to be choosing between ACT and NZF.

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On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 9:10:58 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:

Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

Both leaders delivered some telling blows: neither delivered telling >punch.

A reasonably civil affair: both sides got their message across. Both >Hipkins and Luxon scored from time to time. There was no major debate
on co-governance as enshrined in the water reforms though.

Nothing here to sway decided voters. Undecided's will probably await >future debates.

The whole affair was pretty bland I thought apart from the first 5 minutes which was best forgotten.
Altogether a waste of time.

Inevitable. In TVNZ's unsurprisingly low-rent offering, the viewer was confronted by two notoriously anodyne candidates, both of them patently bereft of any inspiration, style or imagination; plus an anchor so unmannerly and inexperienced as to
persistently interrupt them while they were speaking.

A formless, self-defeating bugger's muddle that stymied even the faintest hope of there being a "winner" as such. But there was undoubtedly a loser:

The viewer.

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