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The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported by evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below
desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes), education, their
sell off of state houses, and their sell off of state assets that sent profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with
Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
Now if not he time for tax cuts, but the only other policy thatCan you say that again using New Zealand English please Rich. Rather than left whinge pidgin English which is what you seem to be using!
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported byRubbish.
evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below
desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their >underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes), education, their
sell off of state houses, and their sell off of state assets that sent
profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with
Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
Now if not he time for tax cuts, but the only other policy that
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5TEeonbMAAHF8M?format=png&name=smallBut then National doesn't and never has done expemses Tony. So Rich is probably correct :)
The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported by >evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below >desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their >underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes), education, their
sell off of state houses, and their sell off of state assets that sent >profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with >Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
Now if not he time for tax cuts, but the only other policy thatRubbish.
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5TEeonbMAAHF8M?format=png&name=small
The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported by
evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below
desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes),
education, their
sell off of state houses,
and their sell off of state assets that sent
profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with
Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
Now if not he time for tax cuts, but the only other policy that
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
On 19 Sep 2023 01:01:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Cite?
On 2023-09-18, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Engineers have indicated that the lack of maintenance during the years
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The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported by
evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below
desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their
underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes),
Just a minute, has not the Labour Government been in power for 6 years. The >>pot holes, as an example, must be laid at the Government's door. All this, >>It must be National's fault, because it is not Labour's shows Labour >>(Government) in a bad light.
before 2017 are a major part of the pot holes.
Roads decay largely
through water penetrating between different payers - when a small hole >appears, water gets between layers of the road, and gradually spreads
and make the problem worse. Some potholes were already visible when
Labour were elected, but there were more obvious problems with some of
the Roads of National (Party) significance - a lot of money went on
fixing those while contracts were still effective. Then Covid made
more widespread road maintenance difficult just at the time when it
became clear that lack of maintenance had made many roads to be badly >decayed.
Quite possibly - in some cases houses were badly located and could be
Most people like others to be responsible for their actions. Most people >>accept the fact that MP's are human and thus make mistakes. They do not mind >>if they own up to them. Then we can move on.
education, their
sell off of state houses,
Did not the Labour Government sell off some state houses.
sold for a good price - I suspect most Labour governments have
increased the number of state houses overall, but yes some do get
sold. There used to be a 'rent to buy" scheme for some state houses
in areas where prices had increased; Labour governments did in some
cases retain these schemes for some houses in the spirit of the
arrangements already entered into.
Cite?During the Key/English governments many state houses were soled to
The real point (question is) how many are required. There maybe a >>gain/profit is selling the use by dates of the old state houses, all the >>while buildind at the rate required. You might know it as long term >>planning. This is something Governments should be good at, as they should do >>it on their watch.
local 'housing associations' who subsequently had difficulty
maintaining those houses and had insufficient funds to increase the
number they held. I think the Housing Corp did build some new houses
in some of these areas, but the sales by National were in large part a >disaster.
Nonsense, pure speculation. Any evidence?There are not many investments that have a tax advantage deliberately >introduced by the government, with virtually no controls on prices
and their sell off of state assets that sent
profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with
Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
A hint at what Labour should be expounding. Then go on to tell us how a >>Labour Government will make things better for all.
Now is not the time for tax cuts, but the only other policy that
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
Rich, landlords supply houses for people to live in. Do not bash the golden >>goose. All businesses are there to make a profit.
other than demand. Our rental housing market is dominated by landlords
with a fairly large portfolio - enough that they have a major
influence on the level of rents. The golden goose is amply rewarding
those that invest in rental housing - at the expense to the country of
lower taxation income. Such a distortion of investment markets is a
key feature of a National government - it makes it harder to persuade
people to invest in shares for example, to the detriment of a fair
investment market.
On 2023-09-18, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Engineers have indicated that the lack of maintenance during the years
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5TEeonbMAAHF8M?format=png&name=small
The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported by
evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below
desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their
underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes),
Just a minute, has not the Labour Government been in power for 6 years. The >pot holes, as an example, must be laid at the Government's door. All this,
It must be National's fault, because it is not Labour's shows Labour >(Government) in a bad light.
Most people like others to be responsible for their actions. Most people >accept the fact that MP's are human and thus make mistakes. They do not mind >if they own up to them. Then we can move on.
Quite possibly - in some cases houses were badly located and could beeducation, their
sell off of state houses,
Did not the Labour Government sell off some state houses.
The real point (question is) how many are required. There maybe aDuring the Key/English governments many state houses were soled to
gain/profit is selling the use by dates of the old state houses, all the >while buildind at the rate required. You might know it as long term
planning. This is something Governments should be good at, as they should do >it on their watch.
There are not many investments that have a tax advantage deliberately introduced by the government, with virtually no controls on pricesand their sell off of state assets that sent
profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with
Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
A hint at what Labour should be expounding. Then go on to tell us how a >Labour Government will make things better for all.
Now is not the time for tax cuts, but the only other policy that
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
Rich, landlords supply houses for people to live in. Do not bash the golden >goose. All businesses are there to make a profit.
On 19 Sep 2023 01:01:33 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-18, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5TEeonbMAAHF8M?format=png&name=small
The idea this Govt is more wasteful than others is not supported by
evidence. Govts spend more in crisis periods, and the Sixth Labour
Govt has faced a few expensive ones. Total Govt spending hit 48.1% of
GDP in 2011 under a National Govt with (C&S from Act, UF and TPM).
The reality is that National cut spending in a lot of areas below
desirable operational levels - we have had problems because of their
underspending on health generally, transport (including road
maintenance which finally appeared as pot holes),
Just a minute, has not the Labour Government been in power for 6 years. The >pot holes, as an example, must be laid at the Government's door. All this, >It must be National's fault, because it is not Labour's shows Labour >(Government) in a bad light.Engineers have indicated that the lack of maintenance during the years before 2017 are a major part of the pot holes. Roads decay largely
through water penetrating between different payers - when a small hole appears, water gets between layers of the road, and gradually spreads
and make the problem worse. Some potholes were already visible when
Labour were elected, but there were more obvious problems with some of
the Roads of National (Party) significance - a lot of money went on
fixing those while contracts were still effective. Then Covid made
more widespread road maintenance difficult just at the time when it
became clear that lack of maintenance had made many roads to be badly decayed.
Most people like others to be responsible for their actions. Most people >accept the fact that MP's are human and thus make mistakes. They do not mind
if they own up to them. Then we can move on.
education, their
sell off of state houses,
Did not the Labour Government sell off some state houses.Quite possibly - in some cases houses were badly located and could be
sold for a good price - I suspect most Labour governments have
increased the number of state houses overall, but yes some do get
sold. There used to be a 'rent to buy" scheme for some state houses
in areas where prices had increased; Labour governments did in some
cases retain these schemes for some houses in the spirit of the
arrangements already entered into.
How is that Rich? Any worse a disaster than housing, health, education, policing etc under this Labour government? Funny how your Labour government quite happily claimed as theirs houses that were planned and started while National where in power.The real point (question is) how many are required. There maybe a >gain/profit is selling the use by dates of the old state houses, all the >while buildind at the rate required. You might know it as long term >planning. This is something Governments should be good at, as they should doDuring the Key/English governments many state houses were soled to
it on their watch.
local 'housing associations' who subsequently had difficulty
maintaining those houses and had insufficient funds to increase the
number they held. I think the Housing Corp did build some new houses
in some of these areas, but the sales by National were in large part a disaster.
Labour have well and truly damaged if not killed that golden goose with their thoughtless adding of costs while removing incentives!and their sell off of state assets that sent
profit to overseas owners at our expense. Labour has had to cope with
Covid, and a number of severe weather events; which we are recovering
from more quickly than National managed with Christchurch (even this
year some court cases were finally settled for some ChCh houses).
A hint at what Labour should be expounding. Then go on to tell us how a >Labour Government will make things better for all.
Now is not the time for tax cuts, but the only other policy that
National are keen on is making landlords more wealthy . . .
Rich, landlords supply houses for people to live in. Do not bash the golden >goose. All businesses are there to make a profit.There are not many investments that have a tax advantage deliberately introduced by the government, with virtually no controls on prices
other than demand. Our rental housing market is dominated by landlords
with a fairly large portfolio - enough that they have a major
influence on the level of rents. The golden goose is amply rewarding
those that invest in rental housing - at the expense to the country of
lower taxation income. Such a distortion of investment markets is a
key feature of a National government - it makes it harder to persuade
people to invest in shares for example, to the detriment of a fair investment market.
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