• A skillful, accurate evisceration of Luxon with his all-at-sea policies

    From James Christophers@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 16 19:53:51 2023
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to James Christophers on Sun Sep 17 04:04:07 2023
    On 2023-09-17, James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    Many of the points raised in the article have been raised in this ng.

    Several manths ago in conversation I was asked Do you think Luxon is wok in drag, as in he is just following the crowd.

    This might also explain why this election campiagn is different to those
    post. National, ACT, Greens, Maori and Labour are all in a crowd and all
    the campaign is about is which part of the cliff NZ society is going to
    fall off.

    The fact that Luxon is comtemplating doing a deal with the Greens shows many things. None of them good. Still deals are done with the Devil at times.

    It is a woke world.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Sep 17 04:32:35 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-09-17, James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    Many of the points raised in the article have been raised in this ng.

    Several manths ago in conversation I was asked Do you think Luxon is wok in >drag, as in he is just following the crowd.

    This might also explain why this election campiagn is different to those >post. National, ACT, Greens, Maori and Labour are all in a crowd and all
    the campaign is about is which part of the cliff NZ society is going to
    fall off.

    The fact that Luxon is comtemplating doing a deal with the Greens shows many >things. None of them good. Still deals are done with the Devil at times.

    It is a woke world.
    There is no question that we are faced with a choice of two less than ideal options this election. For me the choice is easy, either a party that is hell bent on removing our democratic right to equality under the law for all New Zealanders or one that needs to mature a bit. Ardern, Hipkins and the Labour party have demonstrated their inability to mature at all, in fact they have regressed. So Luxon and company are by a long way the better choice; with luck they will mature and at least repeal the draconiac garbage this government has introduced.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to jmschristophers@gmail.com on Sun Sep 17 17:39:28 2023
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm
    selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 17 06:31:13 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers ><jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the population and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray crap everywhere you post and go.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Sep 17 22:22:27 2023
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers >><jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the population >and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray crap >everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election
    system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the
    sanctity of contract, Tony.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Sep 17 20:24:30 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers >>><jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the population >>and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray crap >>everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election
    system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the >sanctity of contract, Tony.
    You are wrong as usual and full of it.
    I have said nothing about the electoral system. I am talking about the criminal co-governance garbage that you so willingly support.
    The National party is less racist than Labour by a country mile, National are not proposing racist seperatism, Labour are of course.
    I have never suggested that contracts are not to be protected, that is a nother of your defamatory lies.

    Oh and one more return to nz.general by Rich80105 and his abuse. Pity you didn't leave for a lot longer, it was pleasant then, not now.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 17 13:16:45 2023
    On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 22:30:08 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers >><jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the population >and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray crap >everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election
    system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the sanctity of contract, Tony.

    He's not talking about the election system, dumbo.

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 17 13:15:18 2023
    On Sunday, 17 September 2023 at 17:47:07 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.

    Gutless coward? That would be Hipkins and his treatment of Charlotte Bellis or the two Northland women during Covid lockdowns. Hipkins made false smears against both, and never apologised, the little shit. Then there was Ardern who maligned the church
    goers in South Auckland. What is it with the Labour elite and punching down on the working classes?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 17 15:24:49 2023
    On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 10:30:08 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers >><jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid >>admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless >>coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the population
    and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray crap
    everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the sanctity of contract, Tony.
    Don't be fucking stupider than normal hypocrite! Can'just expect to trash the man that scares the shit out of you and Keith. Need a comparison!
    Besides in a few weeks Hipkins is going to be just another victim of Arderns totalitarian and uncaring rule!

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  • From James Christophers@21:1/5 to Tony on Sun Sep 17 17:56:01 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:24:33 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers >>><jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another: >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences - >>>Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid >>>admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless >>>coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions >>>of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the population
    and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray crap
    everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election >system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the >sanctity of contract, Tony.
    You are wrong as usual and full of it.
    I have said nothing about the electoral system. I am talking about the criminal
    co-governance garbage that you so willingly support.
    The National party is less racist than Labour by a country mile, National are
    not proposing racist seperatism, Labour are of course.
    I have never suggested that contracts are not to be protected, that is a nother
    of your defamatory lies.

    Oh and one more return to nz.general by Rich80105 and his abuse. Pity you didn't leave for a lot longer, it was pleasant then, not now.

    What is it, one might rightly wonder, that compels you so publicly to perpetuate your only too patent discomposure by slavishly dancing to Rich's every tune, given the slightest opportunity to do so?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Sep 18 01:27:32 2023
    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:24:33 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
    <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm
    selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions
    of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the
    population
    and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray
    crap
    everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election
    system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the
    sanctity of contract, Tony.
    You are wrong as usual and full of it.
    I have said nothing about the electoral system. I am talking about the >>criminal
    co-governance garbage that you so willingly support.
    The National party is less racist than Labour by a country mile, National >>are
    not proposing racist seperatism, Labour are of course.
    I have never suggested that contracts are not to be protected, that is a >>nother
    of your defamatory lies.

    Oh and one more return to nz.general by Rich80105 and his abuse. Pity you
    didn't leave for a lot longer, it was pleasant then, not now.

    What is it, one might rightly wonder, that compels you so publicly to >perpetuate your only too patent discomposure by slavishly dancing to Rich's >every tune, given the slightest opportunity to do so?
    What is it you might wonder that makes you such a busybody and a hater of freedom of expression. Oh go on deny both of those but they are clearly correct. Keep your nastiness under wraps eh?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Sep 18 13:31:57 2023
    On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 01:27:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:24:33 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
    <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another:

    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>> >>>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions >>> >>>of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the
    population
    and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray >>> >>crap
    everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election
    system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate
    in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the
    sanctity of contract, Tony.
    You are wrong as usual and full of it.
    I have said nothing about the electoral system. I am talking about the >>>criminal
    co-governance garbage that you so willingly support.
    The National party is less racist than Labour by a country mile, National >>>are
    not proposing racist seperatism, Labour are of course.
    I have never suggested that contracts are not to be protected, that is a >>>nother
    of your defamatory lies.

    Oh and one more return to nz.general by Rich80105 and his abuse. Pity you >>> didn't leave for a lot longer, it was pleasant then, not now.

    What is it, one might rightly wonder, that compels you so publicly to >>perpetuate your only too patent discomposure by slavishly dancing to Rich's >>every tune, given the slightest opportunity to do so?
    What is it you might wonder that makes you such a busybody and a hater of >freedom of expression. Oh go on deny both of those but they are clearly >correct. Keep your nastiness under wraps eh?

    I don't see anyone objecting to freedom of expression - but wild
    assertions with no evidence (such as those you have posted) are
    generally undesirable, Tony - why do you keep doing that?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Sep 18 02:20:49 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 01:27:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    James Christophers <jmschristophers@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 8:24:33 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 06:31:13 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 19:53:51 -0700 (PDT), James Christophers
    <jmschri...@gmail.com> wrote:



    https://karldufresne.blogspot.com/2023/09/matthew-hooton-on-christopher-luxon.html

    And another:


    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/09/election-2023-national-s-christopher-luxon-walks-off-again-amid-more-questions-over-tax-plan.html

    To call him Spray and Walk Away would not be fair to a successful firm >>>> >>>selling a liquid that takes mould and crap off paths and fences -
    Luxon is spraying all of us with bullshit while trying to avoid
    admitting he has a major hole in their policy. Luxon is a gutless
    coward, trying to lie his way out of a problem. These are the actions >>>> >>>of a true leader.
    Hipkins is worse. He wants to remove equal rights from 83% of the
    population
    and give 17% a veto. And you support that; you are the coward and spray >>>> >>crap
    everywhere you post and go.
    Off Topic, and note your comment about Hipkins (not the subject of
    this thread) is a lie anyway. No changes are proposed to our election >>>> >system, or the powers of government. You really are getting desperate >>>> >in your preoccupation with National Party racism and contempt for the >>>> >sanctity of contract, Tony.
    You are wrong as usual and full of it.
    I have said nothing about the electoral system. I am talking about the >>>>criminal
    co-governance garbage that you so willingly support.
    The National party is less racist than Labour by a country mile, National >>>>are
    not proposing racist seperatism, Labour are of course.
    I have never suggested that contracts are not to be protected, that is a >>>>nother
    of your defamatory lies.

    Oh and one more return to nz.general by Rich80105 and his abuse. Pity you >>>> didn't leave for a lot longer, it was pleasant then, not now.

    What is it, one might rightly wonder, that compels you so publicly to >>>perpetuate your only too patent discomposure by slavishly dancing to Rich's >>>every tune, given the slightest opportunity to do so?
    What is it you might wonder that makes you such a busybody and a hater of >>freedom of expression. Oh go on deny both of those but they are clearly >>correct. Keep your nastiness under wraps eh?

    I don't see anyone objecting to freedom of expression - but wild
    assertions with no evidence (such as those you have posted) are
    generally undesirable, Tony - why do you keep doing that?
    I don't. Name one or go to hell with your little buddy Keith.

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