Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only: https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
Question: If you got vaccinated, did you read this beforehand?? >https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/Consumers/CMI/c/comirnaty.pdf
I admit to reading the CMI for all three of the NZ offered covid
vaccines, researched the information on each with a particular emphasis
on part 6. Side effects, and Part 7. Contents, and made my choice on the >basis of that research.
YMMV.
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls. >>>
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>wing man/person at the time.
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are still doing it. Answering someone who did not post the previous response. Either rude or lazy.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls. >>>
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>>>>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls. >>>>>
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
... people did and still do make their own choices about
... vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for some ...
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>>>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls. >>>>
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>>>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are still doing it. Answering someone who did not post the previous >response. Either rude or lazy.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>>>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls. >>>>
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo stop lying Rich! You've never proved me wrong, but that's probably because you're a compulsive loser like you are in this thread! Now get back under your rock with the cockroaches and other lefty pos!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:42:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyOf course it is a group and it is time you understood that. I never consider posts here to be private. But I am not lazy like you and I address the people that make posts - you often don't and that is rude or lazy or cowardly or all three but it is not polite. But then that matches your character doesn't it?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are still doing it. Answering someone who did not post the previous >>response. Either rude or lazy.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit of >>>>>it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the polls. >>>>>
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
As always, you see nz.general as being your private conversation - I
will answer posts from others as I feel it appropriate - it is a
usenet _group_, not a series of private conversations.
And the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccinationIrrelevant. This government cuased people to l,ose their jobs and did so deliberately if they did not get vaccinated. And the last PM is on record agreeing that was the case.
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus -
masks are still required for some.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit >>>>>>>>of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit >>>>>>>of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's >>>>>>>wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is YOU Rich who are incapable of learning. But guess it's just a side effect of your total lack of comprehension and lack of any support of freedoms! So typical of left wing pos like you and your Labour/Green masters!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is on
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyStop your iuncessant abuse you ignorant fool. You cannot post without abuse. And you are wrong. The armed forces fired people and they are government controlled.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >>>>>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >>>>>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the >>>>>>>>>spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a >>>>>>>>>good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the >>>>>>>>>Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >>>>>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is on
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >> >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I >> >>>>>>>>> can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which >> >>>>>>>>> makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >> >>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing >> >>>>>>were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >> >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >> >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >> >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >> >>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and
the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesHundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government >>announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little >>Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The >>stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
That is simply a lie.Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>> >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>> >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as >>> >>>>>>>>>I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story
which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the >>> >>>>>>>>spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>> >>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>> >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and >>> >>>>>>>>set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the
Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>> >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask
wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>> >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>> >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>> >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>> >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>> >>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>> >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>> >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Not to mention the police fired enough the government had to stop the police mandate so they could attack the protesters last year !
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Stop your iuncessant abuse you ignorant fool. You cannot post without abuse. And you are wrong. The armed forces fired people and they are government controlled.Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the >>>>>>>>>spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the >>>>>>>>>Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media. >>>>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own >>>decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other >businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
Also hospitals fiored people on instruction from the health ministry whcih was,
last I heard, a government department.
Hipkins lied and you are making it worse.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesHundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and >lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government >>>announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little >>>Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The >>>stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
That is simply a lie.Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>> >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>> >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as >>>> >>>>>>>>>I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story >>>> >>>>>>>>>which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the >>>> >>>>>>>>spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>> >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and >>>> >>>>>>>>set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the
Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>> >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask
wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>> >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>> >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>> >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>> >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>> >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>>> >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid >>period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 01:22:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly hundreds of people changed jobs over the Covid period - but
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesHundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government >>>announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little >>>Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
That is simply a lie.You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you tryingNonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >>>> >>Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as
I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story >>>> >>>>>>>>>which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the
spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and
set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the >>>> >>>>>>>>Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask >>>> >>>>>>wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >>every other country - we are now affected by international trade and >>also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >>jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid >>period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of >>rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a >>crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >>other jobs.
lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
very few would have been dismissal for non-compliance. For example
quite a few soldiers did not like security detail for isolation
centres for people coming from overseas; they found other jobs, but I
gather some of them at least have since re-joined the army.
If you disagree do find something other than your opinion to support
your claim . . .
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 01:22:23 -0000 (UTC), TonyAlready have. The ex-prime minister in her infamous television interview.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Hundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and >>lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government >>>>announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little >>>>Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The >>>>stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went >>>>against
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>>> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >>>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and otherThat is simply a lie.You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>>>> >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement byNonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >>>>> >>Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>>> >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is >>>>> >>>>>>>>>an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far >>>>> >>>>>>>>>as
I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story >>>>> >>>>>>>>>which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the >>>>> >>>>>>>>spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash >>>>> >>>>>>>>the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>>> >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and >>>>> >>>>>>>>set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the
Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>>> >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask >>>>> >>>>>>wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>>> >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for
various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member
catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some
employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the >>>>> >>>>>>height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>>> >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >>>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>>through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >>>every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >>>jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>>Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid >>>period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of >>>rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >>>other jobs.
Certainly hundreds of people changed jobs over the Covid period - but
very few would have been dismissal for non-compliance. For example
quite a few soldiers did not like security detail for isolation
centres for people coming from overseas; they found other jobs, but I
gather some of them at least have since re-joined the army.
If you disagree do find something other than your opinion to support
your claim . . .
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 01:22:23 -0000 (UTC), Tonyhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1699332021640953874
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly hundreds of people changed jobs over the Covid period - but
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesHundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government >>>announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little >>>Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
That is simply a lie.You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you tryingNonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >>>> >>Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as
I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story >>>> >>>>>>>>>which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the
spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and
set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the >>>> >>>>>>>>Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask >>>> >>>>>>wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >>every other country - we are now affected by international trade and >>also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >>jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid >>period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of >>rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a >>crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >>other jobs.
lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
very few would have been dismissal for non-compliance. For example
quite a few soldiers did not like security detail for isolation
centres for people coming from overseas; they found other jobs, but I
gather some of them at least have since re-joined the army.
If you disagree do find something other than your opinion to support
your claim . . .
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and
the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties objected to adequate precautions in such places.
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesrecord as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is on
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>> >>>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>> >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>> >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the >>> >>>>>>>>polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>> >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>> >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>> >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>> >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>> >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>> >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height >>> >>>>>>of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>> >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>> >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out.
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>> >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>> >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>> >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>> >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearlyHowever the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the Medical profession booted them out.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort ofRich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and >>>the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to >>>dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties
objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original,
Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through >battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines >were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out >their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end >of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but
gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 1:43:50?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Where Peter Williams says that some statement by Hipkins is correct .
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 01:22:23 -0000 (UTC), Tonyhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1699332021640953874
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly hundreds of people changed jobs over the Covid period - but
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesHundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
That is simply a lie.Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as
I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story >> >>>> >>>>>>>>>which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the
spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and
set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the
Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask
wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >> >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >> >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >> >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >> >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >> >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >> >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >> >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >> >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >> >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >> >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >> >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little >> >>>Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The
stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
very few would have been dismissal for non-compliance. For example
quite a few soldiers did not like security detail for isolation
centres for people coming from overseas; they found other jobs, but I
gather some of them at least have since re-joined the army.
If you disagree do find something other than your opinion to support
your claim . . .
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is on
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>> >>>>wrote:Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own >>>> >>>>>>>>> choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an >>>> >>>>>>>>> interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to >>>> >>>>>>>>deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was >>>> >>>>>>answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations >>>> >>>>>>where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various >>>> >>>>>>reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches >>>> >>>>>>Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers >>>> >>>>>>are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the >>>> >>>>>subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying >>>> >>to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still >coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the >jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging
the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has
plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 04:11:44 -0700 (PDT), John BowesWhy bother. You're incapable of seeing the truth about your toxic Labour government!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 1:43:50?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:Where Peter Williams says that some statement by Hipkins is correct .
On Wed, 6 Sep 2023 01:22:23 -0000 (UTC), Tonyhttps://twitter.com/i/status/1699332021640953874
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly hundreds of people changed jobs over the Covid period - but
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesHundreds of jobs were lost as a result of government vaccine requirements and
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next! >> >>
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government >> >>>announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >> >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:
That is simply a lie.You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you tryingNonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >> >>>> >>Not sematics, it is a lie.However you look at this, it is in no way good.a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7dhttps://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as
I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story
which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the
spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and
set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the >> >>>> >>>>>>>>Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask >> >>>> >>>>>>wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >> >>>> >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >> >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >> >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >> >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >> >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >> >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >> >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >> >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >> >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony - >> >>>> will you never learn?
Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The
stupid little boy Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against
the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is >> >>by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >> >>Medical profession booted them out. Quite a few people used the Covid >> >>period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion; but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
lying about that does not make you other than wrong.
very few would have been dismissal for non-compliance. For example
quite a few soldiers did not like security detail for isolation
centres for people coming from overseas; they found other jobs, but I
gather some of them at least have since re-joined the army.
If you disagree do find something other than your opinion to support
your claim . . .
. .
Try again . . .
On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >>>> >>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
You are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still >coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the >jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging >the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has >plenty.
Ardern made that claim from the podium of truth!but the government have done well in keepingYour unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count for
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead
of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is anywhere close to the truth?
On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and >>>the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I >>>reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to >>>dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties
objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original, >Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through >battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines >were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw outHowever the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but >gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:55:58?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins is
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >> >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid, >> >>>> >>>>>>there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >> >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >> >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >> >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will >> >>>> >>for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >> >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >> >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >> >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >> >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >> >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
Your persistent and consistent lying means that you will not beArdern made that claim from the podium of truth!Your unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count forYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still
coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the >> >jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging >> >the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has
plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead
of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is
anywhere close to the truth?
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:57:21?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:However the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and
the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties
objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original,
Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through >> >battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines >> >were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but
gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:23:55 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesis on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:55:58?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >> >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >> >>>> >>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >> >>>> >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >> >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >> >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >> >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >> >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >> >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >> >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >> >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >> >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony - >> >>>> will you never learn?
Your persistent and consistent lying means that you will not beArdern made that claim from the podium of truth!Your unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count forYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next! >> >>
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >> >> through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >> >> every other country - we are now affected by international trade and >> >> also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is >> >> by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >> >> jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >> >> Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still >> >coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the
jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging
the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has
plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >> >> other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead
of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is
anywhere close to the truth?
believes unless you can provide evidence . . . .
I do not expect you will be able to find any such evidence, and am
content that you are just lying again . . .
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:56:27?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:24:56 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:57:21?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:All countries have borders - our border for some purposes includes
On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:However the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and >> >> >>>the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to >> >> >> be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they >> >> >> could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the >> >> >> higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks - >> >> >> we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties >> >> >> objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original, >> >> >Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through
battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines
were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but >> >> >gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
some sea around our land. For immigration purposes many fly to New
Zealand in a similar way that many people fly to the USA or UK.
New Zealand's border is ALL sea you stupid pos! As always you miss the point in a desperate bid to make Labour look good. An impossibility as the truth of their actions is coming out.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:24:56 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:57:21?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:All countries have borders - our border for some purposes includes
On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:However the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and >> >>>the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to >> >> be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they >> >> could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the >> >> higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks - >> >> we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties >> >> objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original, >> >Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through
battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines
were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but >> >gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
some sea around our land. For immigration purposes many fly to New
Zealand in a similar way that many people fly to the USA or UK.
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:23:55 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesis on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:55:58?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >>> >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >>> >>>> >>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>> >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be
prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction >>> >>>> >>>>>>requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>> >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>> >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>> >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>> >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>> >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>> >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be
unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has >>> >>>> >>spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get >>> >>>> >vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >>> >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >>> >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >>> >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>> >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as >>> >>>> a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >>> >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was >>> >>>> dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony -
will you never learn?
Your persistent and consistent lying means that you will not beArdern made that claim from the podium of truth!Your unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count forYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next! >>> >>
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries
through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly
every other country - we are now affected by international trade and
also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is >>> >> by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their
jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>> >> Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of
rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a
crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still >>> >coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the
jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging >>> >the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has
plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek
other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead
of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is
anywhere close to the truth?
believes unless you can provide evidence . . . .
I do not expect you will be able to find any such evidence, and am
content that you are just lying again . . .
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT), John BowesDo stop being a fucking imbecile! Again you preach what you don't practice! So typical of toxic pos like you!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:56:27?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:24:56 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:57:21?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:All countries have borders - our border for some purposes includes
New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:However the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >> >> >> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and >> >> >> particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination >> >> >>>>and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus >> >> >>>
the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I >> >> >>>reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know >> >> >> that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a >> >> >> time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties
objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original,
Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through
battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines
were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but
gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
some sea around our land. For immigration purposes many fly to New
Zealand in a similar way that many people fly to the USA or UK.
New Zealand's border is ALL sea you stupid pos! As always you miss the point in a desperate bid to make Labour look good. An impossibility as the truth of their actions is coming out.At least you now know that New Zealand does indeed have borders . . .
but you are still unable to support your statements with any evidence;
and you descend to abuse when you know your false statements are not
being accepted. Your childish taunts do not fool anyone, John Bowes,
but I am sorry for you as it appears you may just be repeating what
has been said about you to others . . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:23:55 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:55:58?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> >>>> On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Here's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals, >>>> >>>> aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain. >>>> >>>> >>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only:However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or >>>> >>>> >>>>>>others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>> >>>> >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage >>>> >>>> >>>>>>subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>>> >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for >>>> >>>> >>>>some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>>> >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>>> >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>>> >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>>> >>>> >>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >>>> >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as
employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the >>>> >>>> authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >>>> >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to >>>> >>>> require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >>>> >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony - >>>> >>>> will you never learn?
Your persistent and consistent lying means that you will not beArdern made that claim from the podium of truth!Your unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count forYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next! >>>> >>
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>>> >> through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >>>> >> every other country - we are now affected by international trade and >>>> >> also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is >>>> >> by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >>>> >> jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>>> >> Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of >>>> >> rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a >>>> >> crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still >>>> >coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the
jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging >>>> >the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has >>>> >plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >>>> >> other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead
of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is
anywhere close to the truth?
believes unless you can provide evidence . . . .
I do not expect you will be able to find any such evidence, and am
content that you are just lying again . . .
Stop lying Riche. The podium of truth said that if you get vaxed you
won't get Covid or pass it on. She also said that if you don't get
vaxed there will be no penalties. That was the most blatant lie ever
said.
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 10:40:43?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:how fucking stupid and childless YOU in fact arew!
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT), John BowesDo stop being a fucking imbecile! Again you preach what you don't practice! So typical of toxic pos like you!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:56:27?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:At least you now know that New Zealand does indeed have borders . . .
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:24:56 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:57:21?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >> On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:All countries have borders - our border for some purposes includes
New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:However the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >> >> >> >> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and >> >> >> >> particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination >> >> >> >>>>and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus >> >> >> >>>
the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I >> >> >> >>>reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to
dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know >> >> >> >> that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further
illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially
careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a >> >> >> >> time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties
objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original,
Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through
battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines
were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but
gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
some sea around our land. For immigration purposes many fly to New
Zealand in a similar way that many people fly to the USA or UK.
New Zealand's border is ALL sea you stupid pos! As always you miss the point in a desperate bid to make Labour look good. An impossibility as the truth of their actions is coming out.
but you are still unable to support your statements with any evidence;
and you descend to abuse when you know your false statements are not
being accepted. Your childish taunts do not fool anyone, John Bowes,
but I am sorry for you as it appears you may just be repeating what
has been said about you to others . . . .
No I treat you the way you demand you be treated as evidenced by your reply to my statement of fact! Only a fucking toxic, lying, comprehensionless pos could take the fact that NZ has no borders with other countries! Your lie is only evidence of just
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:23:55 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:55:58?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy Hipkins
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote:Not sematics, it is a lie.
Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only: >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>However you look at this, it is in no way good.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/
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No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>> >>>> >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own >>> >>>> >>>>choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment >>> >>>> >>>>relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which >>> >>>> >>>>misrepresent the relationship between government and media.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by >>> >>>> >>Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own
decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>> >>>> >>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other >>> >>>> businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for >>> >>>> some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as >>> >>>> employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I >>> >>>> think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to >>> >>>> have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony - >>> >>>> will you never learn?
Poor widdle pos Rich believes left wing lies are the unvarnished truth. Rich is to well brainwashed to ever believe otherwise. Hell he's so stupid he thinks he only ever tells the unvarnished truth when in fact he's got nothing but lies like so many onYour persistent and consistent lying means that you will not beArdern made that claim from the podium of truth!Your unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count forYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>> >> through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >>> >> every other country - we are now affected by international trade and >>> >> also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is >>> >> by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >>> >> jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the >>> >> Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of >>> >> rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a >>> >> crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still >>> >coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the
jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging
the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has >>> >plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >>> >> other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead
of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is >>> anywhere close to the truth?
believes unless you can provide evidence . . . .
I do not expect you will be able to find any such evidence, and amStop lying Riche. The podium of truth said that if you get vaxed you
content that you are just lying again . . .
won't get Covid or pass it on. She also said that if you don't get
vaxed there will be no penalties. That was the most blatant lie ever
said.
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:52:58 -0700 (PDT), John Boweshow fucking stupid and childless YOU in fact arew!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 10:40:43?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sun, 17 Sep 2023 15:30:06 -0700 (PDT), John BowesDo stop being a fucking imbecile! Again you preach what you don't practice! So typical of toxic pos like you!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, September 17, 2023 at 11:56:27?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:At least you now know that New Zealand does indeed have borders . . .
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:24:56 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:57:21?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:All countries have borders - our border for some purposes includes
On 6 Sep 2023 22:32:30 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:New Zealand had no borders with other countries Rich. We were in a pretty uneke position!
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:However the rest of the world acted, very few did as well as New
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 23:31:30 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:It is work requirements - most countries require medical staff (and
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
In addition, the thread is nothing to do with masks.
the topic of work requirements covers both masks and vaccination
and staying away if you have been potentially exposed to the virus
The topic is not "work requirements", it is compulsory vaccination and
the NZ media failure to report Hipkins' stance on it.
Rich's inability to stay on topic is too idiotic to be genuine. I
reckon he is a paid shill, and one of his prescribed tools is to >> >> >> >>>dissemble against any thread not to his employer's liking.
particularly nurses and doctors dealing with infectious patients) to
be as well protected as possible all the time - if they did not they
could be taken to court for having an unsafe workplace! We do know
that sick people are particularly vulnerable to catching further >> >> >> >> illness from exposure; hence the isolation for Covid patients, and the
higher level of care taken for those working in those areas.
Retirement Villages and rest homes also needed to be especially >> >> >> >> careful in insisting on visitors being protected and wearing masks -
we saw what happened when some visitors did not take proper
precautions - they had to lock the places up for days or weeks at a
time! Would you have it any other way? Certainly no opposition parties
objected to adequate precautions in such places.
Ture, and that was/is a very concerning point.
Remember when taking about Covid, it came on several models. Original,
Alpha, Delta, and Omicron being the mains ones.
Without Omicron and natural immunity the world would probably going through
battling Delta.
The infomation which have come out about the trials show that the vaccines
were not fit for purpose.
Oh yes, let us not forget the NZ and most of the rest of the world threw out
their pandemic plans. Sweden stick to theirs and got disapproval. At the end
of the pandemic they faired about the same as the other countries, but
gained the benifits of no lockdowns ot mandates.
Zealand in saving lives. . . .
some sea around our land. For immigration purposes many fly to New
Zealand in a similar way that many people fly to the USA or UK.
New Zealand's border is ALL sea you stupid pos! As always you miss the point in a desperate bid to make Labour look good. An impossibility as the truth of their actions is coming out.
but you are still unable to support your statements with any evidence;
and you descend to abuse when you know your false statements are not
being accepted. Your childish taunts do not fool anyone, John Bowes,
but I am sorry for you as it appears you may just be repeating what
has been said about you to others . . . .
No I treat you the way you demand you be treated as evidenced by your reply to my statement of fact! Only a fucking toxic, lying, comprehensionless pos could take the fact that NZ has no borders with other countries! Your lie is only evidence of just
If it had been a fact then you would have been able to find aYou just can't help being a fucking comprehensionless imbecile can you Rich! Nobody has told me that Rich. You can be proud that that is reserved for the imbecilic pos that is you!
reference to it in news media - that you have not found any such
evidence indicates you are too stupid to look or were lying anyway. I
note that your insults seem to be repetitious - perhaps you are just repeating what others have said to you - have others told you that you
are a fucking imbecile and a toxic pos?
And yes New Zealand does have borders.
On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 11:51:13 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>Hipkins is on record as endorsing it! The policy went against the Nuremberg code and the New Zealand bill of rights!
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 01:23:55 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 7:55:58?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> On 6 Sep 2023 22:17:41 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-06, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:39:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 8:52:50?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 20:41:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyHere's a fact you can deny to your hearts content Rich. The government announced policy that caused those who didn't follow it like good little Marxist sheep to lose their jobs and in several cases their businesses. The stupid little boy
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:The government did not fire people - that would have been hospitals,
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 06:43:08 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is simply a lie.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:39:33 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:21:44 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 01:16:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-09-04, Willy Nilly <willy...@qwert.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> Interesting and relevant story reported overseas only: >>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>>Not sematics, it is a lie.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-made-their-own-choices-nz-pm-insists-there-was-no-compulsory-vaccination/news-story/However you look at this, it is in no way good.
a1d355dca5063c5436a4ca6517bb3b7d
No money for the vaccine injured because "people made their own
choices", says Hipkins. Regardless of your viewpoint, this is an
interesting story. But totally unreported in NZ media (so far as I
can telll) -- NZ media thinks their job is to hide any story which
makes Labour look bad.
Very short memory. Hopes public will have the same.
Changing the goal posts. Playing with semantics, rather than the spirit
of
it.
Still can not show, or admit they were wrong, as it would crash the
polls.
Honourable, it not a word to be used in this case. With trying to
deflect responsibility by the PM is not a good way to man up and set a
good example to the young, and old.
The media of course have to ignore it because they were the Government's
wing man/person at the time.
We have not heard the precise question that the Prime Minister was
answering. , but in principle, the early requirements for mask wearing
were occupation / employer related. We still have some occupations
where masks are required in particular circumstances and for various
reasons, but they relate to safety of either the individuals or
others. If the employer does not require masks they could be >>>> >>>> >>>>>>prosecuted for not having a safe workplace. In relation to covid,
there is also the issue of allowing (or from the other direction
requiring) staff to stay home if for example a family member catches
Covid - especially if sick leave limits are involved. Some employers
are still giving paid leave under those circumstances. The wage
subsidies were in part due to the such difficulties during the height
of the pandemic.
Rich the subject is compulsory vaccination. Consider re-reading the
subject of each thread before posting.
Which I was addressing - people did and still do make their own
choices about vaccination; but it was and still is compulsory for
some, and that has implications for other aspects of employment
relationships. I am more on topic than the previous posts which
misrepresent the relationship between government and media. >>>> >>>> >>>Nonsense. Hipkins said something that he cannot possibly sustain.
You are getting very predictable in being wrong, Tony - are you trying
to outdo John Bowes and Nicola Willis? Of course the statement by
Hipkins can be sustained - people were able to make their own >>>> >>>> >>decisions, and still can - unlike the authoritarian National who will
for example arbitrarily tell schools that mobile phones must be >>>> >>>> >>unilaterally banned, with no consultation, no choice - el-Luxton has
spoken!
Hipkins awas part of the government that fired people who did not get
vaccionated. Now he is lying and so are you.
Less of the abuse you foolish little man.,
aged care facilities, restaurants, bars and cafeterias and other >>>> >>>> businesses that did not want to lose customers (either by death for
some, or just people staying away for others. Their decisions as >>>> >>>> employers - all the government did was give advice and make sure the
authority was there. As you will be aware, there were some areas (I
think some where on the West Coast) that had businesses decide not to
require masks - some of them changed their mind as Covid cases rose as
a result. Advice was also given to church groups for example not to
have large gatherings - again that stopped as people realised that was
dangerous. You have been listening to the Tamaki mob again, Tony - >>>> >>>> will you never learn?
LIAR! He's emulating you and your propensity to consider your 'opinion' is the only truth in existent. Which is pretty good considering how you haven't stopped lying since you first joined this ng!Your persistent and consistent lying means that you will not beArdern made that claim from the podium of truth!Your unsupported assertions of your personal opinions count forYou are really getting off topic now - Tony will be scolding you next!
New Zealand of course lost far fewer businesses than other countries >>>> >> through Covid, and in the short term we recovered better than nearly >>>> >> every other country - we are now affected by international trade and >>>> >> also some local shortages through extreme weather events, but that is
by the by. There were sadly a small number of doctors who lost their >>>> >> jobs, but they did not do that as a result of government action - the
Medical profession booted them out.
However the Narrative was against a small section of the Doctors.
Quite a few people used the Covid
period to change jobs, and a few of them went down the same sort of >>>> >> rabbit holes as you and Tony, John - listening to anyone that had a >>>> >> crazy opinion;
Rich, could you do a wee bit of recent history study. Evidence is still
coming out that the Narrative was wrong on almost all accounts.
You know one of them, Safe and effective, will not get covid if you got the
jab, will not pass it onto your family and mates.
When on is on the wrong side of history it is a good idea to stop digging
the hole you are in. You are out of ammunition and the other side has >>>> >plenty.
but the government have done well in keeping
unemployment very low; and quite a few decided through Covid to seek >>>> >> other jobs.
nothing. Nobody in government or those that advised them said that
"you will not get Covid if you got the jab" - why do you lie instead >>>> of first seeing if you can find any evidence that your imagination is >>>> anywhere close to the truth?
believes unless you can provide evidence . . . .
I do not expect you will be able to find any such evidence, and am >>content that you are just lying again . . .
Stop lying Riche. The podium of truth said that if you get vaxed youYou are acting like John Bowes - making a statement without evidence.
won't get Covid or pass it on. She also said that if you don't get
vaxed there will be no penalties. That was the most blatant lie ever
said.
I challenged him to prove it - by providing evidence - perhaps you
could do what John persistently failed to do . . actually provide
evidence to support a wild assertion!
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