• Her we go again -

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 05:22:15 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 25 06:33:50 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .
    The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Aug 25 18:09:56 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Aug 25 19:33:52 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .
    The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?

    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us
    informed?

    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say
    - you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too
    much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 00:51:08 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Aug 25 22:37:48 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .





    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 25 20:40:08 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .
    The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us
    informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides tracked or just your pet side?

    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say
    - you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too
    much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that false conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From Barb Knox@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Aug 26 08:40:37 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    On 25/08/23 17:22, Tony wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Where won't you be going? Unlike you, the WHO is not getting stressed
    about this. The WHO link in the cited Stuff article says:

    To date, there is no evidence of significant changes in the public health impact of these sublineages and there is no justification for the assignment of a new “variant of concern”.

    COVID-19 recommendations remain unchanged. In particular, PAHO strongly encourages all countries in the Region to continue collecting representative samples for sequencing and to maintain appropriate SARS-CoV-2 genomic surveillance.

    What problem(s) do you see with any of this? IOW, what's your problem?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Barb Knox on Fri Aug 25 20:53:03 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    Barb Knox <Barb@sig.below> wrote:
    On 25/08/23 17:22, Tony wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Where won't you be going? Unlike you, the WHO is not getting stressed
    Others are Dr Jemma Geoghegan for example.
    about this. The WHO link in the cited Stuff article says:

    To date, there is no evidence of significant changes in the public health >>impact of these sublineages and there is no justification for the assignment of
    a new “variant of concern”.

    COVID-19 recommendations remain unchanged. In particular, PAHO strongly >>encourages all countries in the Region to continue collecting representative >>samples for sequencing and to maintain appropriate SARS-CoV-2 genomic >>surveillance.

    What problem(s) do you see with any of this? IOW, what's your problem?

    I don't have one. Yours?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 25 20:37:05 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand >>bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.





    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 25 15:15:37 2023
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:44:05 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!
    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .

    Why? It isn't pertinent to Ardern dragging her heels. But go for your distraction because the fact is Ardern took two fucking weeks to follow the good advice she was getting from Bloomfield!


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 25 22:48:29 2023
    On 2023-08-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .
    The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?

    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us
    informed?

    Not unless it is going to affect the population in a serious way. As long as the virus mutates as it has done since November 2021, when Omicron arrived
    the population can just carry on with their lives.



    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say
    - you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too
    much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .


    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 25 22:40:56 2023
    On 2023-08-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .

    Here we go again.

    John B has made a claim, not if yoy think it is not true, then you bring forward the evidence which shows this.

    John B is not saying that NZ locked down after the rest of the world, he
    said she (the existing PM) should have locked down later than she/we should have.







    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 25 22:33:03 2023
    On 2023-08-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Then why publish the article? Okay in a scientic journal might be okay, but MSM?


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    To you it seems has fooled himself, but to others it might be that the boot
    is on the other foot.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Barb Knox on Fri Aug 25 22:29:22 2023
    On 2023-08-25, Barb Knox <Barb@sig.below> wrote:
    On 25/08/23 17:22, Tony wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Where won't you be going? Unlike you, the WHO is not getting stressed
    about this. The WHO link in the cited Stuff article says:

    To date, there is no evidence of significant changes in the public health impact of these sublineages and there is no justification for the assignment of a new “variant of concern”.

    COVID-19 recommendations remain unchanged. In particular, PAHO strongly encourages all countries in the Region to continue collecting representative samples for sequencing and to maintain appropriate SARS-CoV-2 genomic surveillance.

    The point is one of the MSM/WHO trying to keep the fear factor up. EG.5 was just pasin by in the last few weeks, now is BA286, tomorrow it might be that BA286 causing climate change.

    At this stage the MSM should be emphsising that any/all viruses mutate, it
    is part of nature. Now if a new virus goes wild it is going to take time
    until things settle down.

    We also have the case of being able sequence the virus and if we keep
    looking at it, we well start to get a bias.


    What problem(s) do you see with any of this? IOW, what's your problem?

    See above.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Aug 26 00:12:38 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-08-25, Barb Knox <Barb@sig.below> wrote:
    On 25/08/23 17:22, Tony wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Where won't you be going? Unlike you, the WHO is not getting stressed
    about this. The WHO link in the cited Stuff article says:

    To date, there is no evidence of significant changes in the public health >>>impact of these sublineages and there is no justification for the assignment of
    a new “variant of concern”.

    COVID-19 recommendations remain unchanged. In particular, PAHO strongly >>>encourages all countries in the Region to continue collecting representative >>>samples for sequencing and to maintain appropriate SARS-CoV-2 genomic >>>surveillance.

    The point is one of the MSM/WHO trying to keep the fear factor up. EG.5 was >just pasin by in the last few weeks, now is BA286, tomorrow it might be that >BA286 causing climate change.
    Careful Gordon, you are giving some fool an idea.

    At this stage the MSM should be emphsising that any/all viruses mutate, it
    is part of nature. Now if a new virus goes wild it is going to take time >until things settle down.

    We also have the case of being able sequence the virus and if we keep
    looking at it, we well start to get a bias.


    What problem(s) do you see with any of this? IOW, what's your problem?

    See above.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 26 15:37:32 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    No Rich. The only ones still fooled are the "Cindy saved us" labor
    party followers..

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Aug 26 21:34:56 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us
    informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?


    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say
    - you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too
    much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that false >conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Aug 26 21:32:47 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>> this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >>>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand >>>bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out! >>
    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is >the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.

    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .



    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Aug 26 21:46:29 2023
    On 25 Aug 2023 22:33:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-08-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Then why publish the article? Okay in a scientic journal might be okay, but >MSM?

    I do not know why Tony posted the link to the article, or what he
    meant by saying : "Except we will not be going there - we know too
    much now. You can fool (fill in the rest)."

    I don't see the article as trying to fool anyone. Our number of cases
    / deaths from Covid are still fluctuating, but the article does not
    suggest that anyone is being fooled, or that anyone is going wherever
    Tony was referring to, or what he thinks he knows too much about.




    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    To you it seems has fooled himself, but to others it might be that the boot >is on the other foot.

    Happy for you to explain further, Gordon.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sat Aug 26 21:40:07 2023
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 15:15:37 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 10:44:05?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!
    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .

    Why? It isn't pertinent to Ardern dragging her heels. But go for your distraction because the fact is Ardern took two fucking weeks to follow the good advice she was getting from Bloomfield!

    Prove it . . .

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 26 20:37:41 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>>>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.


    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say
    - you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too
    much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that false >>conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 26 20:36:05 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 25 Aug 2023 22:33:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-08-25, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Then why publish the article? Okay in a scientic journal might be okay, but >>MSM?

    I do not know why Tony posted the link to the article, or what he
    meant by saying : "Except we will not be going there - we know too
    much now. You can fool (fill in the rest)."
    Of course you know.

    I don't see the article as trying to fool anyone. Our number of cases
    / deaths from Covid are still fluctuating, but the article does not
    suggest that anyone is being fooled, or that anyone is going wherever
    Tony was referring to, or what he thinks he knows too much about.




    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    To you it seems has fooled himself, but to others it might be that the boot >>is on the other foot.

    Happy for you to explain further, Gordon.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Aug 27 09:11:31 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>>>>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again
    to this article: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/402555/christopher-luxon-suggests-extension-of-no-jab-no-pay-policy

    and from that article:
    Speaking on National's social services discussion document released
    last week, Mr Luxon told Morning Report he backed the view of a "no
    jab, no pay" policy for solo parent beneficiaries.

    "It's about a notion of rights and responsibilities. If you want to be
    part of New Zealand and a civil society, you have certain inalienable
    rights but you also have responsibilities for the collective and in
    helping the collective of New Zealand."

    Asked if that policy should be extended to working families too, he
    said it was a principle that needed to go across all of social and
    public policy.

    "It should [extend that far] ... that's hypothetical. What you're
    asking me about is a principle and what I'm saying is when you go
    through all the tactical issues around public policy and social
    policy, I want to be guided by principle and the principle very much
    is about rights and responsibilities.

    "For example, there's been a reduction in sanctions around people
    receiving benefits. If you don't show up for a job interview six or
    seven times, we have to have those kinds of conversations, because the
    New Zealand taxpayer is helping someone whose in a vulnerable and
    difficult situation, but they have a responsibility on their own
    personal case to actually do the best that they can."

    and from that time: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/402099/national-floats-hard-line-policies-on-social-welfare

    from which:
    "Speaking to reporters in Christchurch, National leader Simon Bridges
    threw his weight behind the proposal

    "There is no good reason not to immunise your children in 2019. The
    evidence is out and it's clear," he said.

    "So if you don't want to vaccinate your child, here's the thing: don't
    take taxpayers' money."

    National considered introducing a so-called "no jab, no pay" policy in
    2012, but then-Social Development Minister Paula Bennett opted against
    it, saying it would breach people's right to refuse medical treatment.

    In 2015, Australia adopted a policy where parents who refused to
    vaccinate their children could be denied up to $15,000 in childcare
    rebates.

    At the time, then-Prime Minister John Key ruled out revisiting the
    idea in New Zealand.

    In a statement, Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter dismissed
    the idea of a "no jab, no pay" policy.

    "We will be guided by evidence of what will protect children, not
    populist rhetoric," she said.

    "We're focused on removing the barriers for people to get vaccinated.
    We're making it easier for people to do the right thing, not punishing
    children for adults working multiple jobs, having poor transport
    options, and struggling to see a GP."Speaking to reporters in
    Christchurch, National leader Simon Bridges threw his weight behind
    the proposal

    "There is no good reason not to immunise your children in 2019. The
    evidence is out and it's clear," he said.

    "So if you don't want to vaccinate your child, here's the thing: don't
    take taxpayers' money."

    National considered introducing a so-called "no jab, no pay" policy in
    2012, but then-Social Development Minister Paula Bennett opted against
    it, saying it would breach people's right to refuse medical treatment.

    In 2015, Australia adopted a policy where parents who refused to
    vaccinate their children could be denied up to $15,000 in childcare
    rebates.

    At the time, then-Prime Minister John Key ruled out revisiting the
    idea in New Zealand.

    In a statement, Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter dismissed
    the idea of a "no jab, no pay" policy.

    "We will be guided by evidence of what will protect children, not
    populist rhetoric," she said.

    "We're focused on removing the barriers for people to get vaccinated.
    We're making it easier for people to do the right thing, not punishing
    children for adults working multiple jobs, having poor transport
    options, and struggling to see a GP." "

    _________________________





    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that false >>>conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 26 22:15:20 2023
    On 2023-08-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>> and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>> this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >>>>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out! >>>
    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is >>the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.

    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    History has shown it to be the case.

    QED






    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>
    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 15:13:03 2023
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>> and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>> this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >>>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>
    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 26 22:13:42 2023
    On 2023-08-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>>>>>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again
    to this article: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/402555/christopher-luxon-suggests-extension-of-no-jab-no-pay-policy

    and from that article:
    Speaking on National's social services discussion document released
    last week, Mr Luxon told Morning Report he backed the view of a "no
    jab, no pay" policy for solo parent beneficiaries.

    "It's about a notion of rights and responsibilities. If you want to be
    part of New Zealand and a civil society, you have certain inalienable
    rights but you also have responsibilities for the collective and in
    helping the collective of New Zealand."

    Asked if that policy should be extended to working families too, he
    said it was a principle that needed to go across all of social and
    public policy.

    "It should [extend that far] ... that's hypothetical. What you're
    asking me about is a principle and what I'm saying is when you go
    through all the tactical issues around public policy and social
    policy, I want to be guided by principle and the principle very much
    is about rights and responsibilities.

    "For example, there's been a reduction in sanctions around people
    receiving benefits. If you don't show up for a job interview six or
    seven times, we have to have those kinds of conversations, because the
    New Zealand taxpayer is helping someone whose in a vulnerable and
    difficult situation, but they have a responsibility on their own
    personal case to actually do the best that they can."

    and from that time: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/402099/national-floats-hard-line-policies-on-social-welfare

    This article dated October 2019, and also about imminusation of the
    children. This before Covid-19.

    This was the time when vaccines caused immunisations. Things have moved on.



    from which:
    "Speaking to reporters in Christchurch, National leader Simon Bridges
    threw his weight behind the proposal

    "There is no good reason not to immunise your children in 2019. The
    evidence is out and it's clear," he said.

    "So if you don't want to vaccinate your child, here's the thing: don't
    take taxpayers' money."

    National considered introducing a so-called "no jab, no pay" policy in
    2012, but then-Social Development Minister Paula Bennett opted against
    it, saying it would breach people's right to refuse medical treatment.

    In 2015, Australia adopted a policy where parents who refused to
    vaccinate their children could be denied up to $15,000 in childcare
    rebates.

    At the time, then-Prime Minister John Key ruled out revisiting the
    idea in New Zealand.

    In a statement, Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter dismissed
    the idea of a "no jab, no pay" policy.

    "We will be guided by evidence of what will protect children, not
    populist rhetoric," she said.

    "We're focused on removing the barriers for people to get vaccinated.
    We're making it easier for people to do the right thing, not punishing children for adults working multiple jobs, having poor transport
    options, and struggling to see a GP."Speaking to reporters in
    Christchurch, National leader Simon Bridges threw his weight behind
    the proposal

    "There is no good reason not to immunise your children in 2019. The
    evidence is out and it's clear," he said.

    "So if you don't want to vaccinate your child, here's the thing: don't
    take taxpayers' money."

    National considered introducing a so-called "no jab, no pay" policy in
    2012, but then-Social Development Minister Paula Bennett opted against
    it, saying it would breach people's right to refuse medical treatment.

    In 2015, Australia adopted a policy where parents who refused to
    vaccinate their children could be denied up to $15,000 in childcare
    rebates.

    At the time, then-Prime Minister John Key ruled out revisiting the
    idea in New Zealand.

    In a statement, Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter dismissed
    the idea of a "no jab, no pay" policy.

    "We will be guided by evidence of what will protect children, not
    populist rhetoric," she said.

    "We're focused on removing the barriers for people to get vaccinated.
    We're making it easier for people to do the right thing, not punishing children for adults working multiple jobs, having poor transport
    options, and struggling to see a GP." "

    _________________________





    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that false
    conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Aug 26 22:26:44 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you >>>>>>please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again
    to this article:
    Off topic article removed. Try again Rich but on topic this time.




    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that >>>>false
    conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Aug 27 12:37:36 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:26:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could you
    please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again
    to this article:
    Off topic article removed. Try again Rich but on topic this time.

    Not off topic at all of course, but Tony is embarrassed and unable to
    respond to the issues raised - here it is again, Tony - perhaps you
    may like to think about the Subject of the thread "Her(e) we go again
    . . ."

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/402555/christopher-luxon-suggests-extension-of-no-jab-no-pay-policy

    and from that article:
    Speaking on National's social services discussion document released
    last week, Mr Luxon told Morning Report he backed the view of a "no
    jab, no pay" policy for solo parent beneficiaries.

    "It's about a notion of rights and responsibilities. If you want to be
    part of New Zealand and a civil society, you have certain inalienable
    rights but you also have responsibilities for the collective and in
    helping the collective of New Zealand."

    Asked if that policy should be extended to working families too, he
    said it was a principle that needed to go across all of social and
    public policy.

    "It should [extend that far] ... that's hypothetical. What you're
    asking me about is a principle and what I'm saying is when you go
    through all the tactical issues around public policy and social
    policy, I want to be guided by principle and the principle very much
    is about rights and responsibilities.

    "For example, there's been a reduction in sanctions around people
    receiving benefits. If you don't show up for a job interview six or
    seven times, we have to have those kinds of conversations, because the
    New Zealand taxpayer is helping someone whose in a vulnerable and
    difficult situation, but they have a responsibility on their own
    personal case to actually do the best that they can."

    and from that time: https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/402099/national-floats-hard-line-policies-on-social-welfare

    from which:
    "Speaking to reporters in Christchurch, National leader Simon Bridges
    threw his weight behind the proposal

    "There is no good reason not to immunise your children in 2019. The
    evidence is out and it's clear," he said.

    "So if you don't want to vaccinate your child, here's the thing: don't
    take taxpayers' money."

    National considered introducing a so-called "no jab, no pay" policy in
    2012, but then-Social Development Minister Paula Bennett opted against
    it, saying it would breach people's right to refuse medical treatment.

    In 2015, Australia adopted a policy where parents who refused to
    vaccinate their children could be denied up to $15,000 in childcare
    rebates.

    At the time, then-Prime Minister John Key ruled out revisiting the
    idea in New Zealand.

    In a statement, Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter dismissed
    the idea of a "no jab, no pay" policy.

    "We will be guided by evidence of what will protect children, not
    populist rhetoric," she said.

    "We're focused on removing the barriers for people to get vaccinated.
    We're making it easier for people to do the right thing, not punishing
    children for adults working multiple jobs, having poor transport
    options, and struggling to see a GP."Speaking to reporters in
    Christchurch, National leader Simon Bridges threw his weight behind
    the proposal

    "There is no good reason not to immunise your children in 2019. The
    evidence is out and it's clear," he said.

    "So if you don't want to vaccinate your child, here's the thing: don't
    take taxpayers' money."

    National considered introducing a so-called "no jab, no pay" policy in
    2012, but then-Social Development Minister Paula Bennett opted against
    it, saying it would breach people's right to refuse medical treatment.

    In 2015, Australia adopted a policy where parents who refused to
    vaccinate their children could be denied up to $15,000 in childcare
    rebates.

    At the time, then-Prime Minister John Key ruled out revisiting the
    idea in New Zealand.

    In a statement, Associate Health Minister Julie Anne Genter dismissed
    the idea of a "no jab, no pay" policy.

    "We will be guided by evidence of what will protect children, not
    populist rhetoric," she said.

    "We're focused on removing the barriers for people to get vaccinated.
    We're making it easier for people to do the right thing, not punishing
    children for adults working multiple jobs, having poor transport
    options, and struggling to see a GP." "

    _________________________





    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that >>>>>false
    conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sun Aug 27 12:29:51 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >> >>>> and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >> >>>> this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >> >>>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!

    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .



    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >> >>>
    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Aug 27 12:33:15 2023
    On 26 Aug 2023 22:15:20 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-08-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>> and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>> this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >>>>>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out! >>>>
    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is >>>the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.

    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    History has shown it to be the case.

    QED

    A simple assertion does not provide any evidence to support your
    assertion.
    John, Tony and now Gordon are unable to provide any evidence that
    there was an undue delay in the initial closing of borders and
    lockdown

    It is amusing that they assert that when in other posts they believe
    Labour acted too quickly and that Covid provisions should have been
    relaxed / removed earlier . . .







    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>
    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 27 01:53:28 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:26:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>>>>>You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>>>>>this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could >>>>>>>>you
    please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>>>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again
    to this article:
    Off topic article removed. Try again Rich but on topic this time.

    Completely off topic.
    The topic, as any lucid person would know, is about MSM and other media talking up the possibiolity of another (planned?) pandemic. Just scare mongering because that sells copy.
    STick to topic or start your own.





    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that >>>>>>false
    conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 19:14:00 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >> >>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >> >>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >> >>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >> >>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >> >>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich! Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Maybe you can explain why the silly little cow waited two weeks. Oh btw that is a reference to Ardern. Not some smart bovine...


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 27 01:51:00 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 26 Aug 2023 22:15:20 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-08-26, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>> and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at >>>>>>> this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to >>>>>>make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new >>>>>>zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay >>>>is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.

    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    History has shown it to be the case.

    QED

    A simple assertion does not provide any evidence to support your
    assertion.
    John, Tony and now Gordon are unable to provide any evidence that
    there was an undue delay in the initial closing of borders and
    lockdown
    I did not state that. I merely made you understand that the issue was not what other countries did. You, of course, just barge ahead with your lies.

    It is amusing that they assert that when in other posts they believe
    Labour acted too quickly and that Covid provisions should have been
    relaxed / removed earlier . . .
    Cite!







    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>>
    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 26 19:19:01 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:39:27 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 26 Aug 2023 22:15:20 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-08-26, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>> and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.

    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    History has shown it to be the case.

    QED
    A simple assertion does not provide any evidence to support your
    assertion.
    John, Tony and now Gordon are unable to provide any evidence that
    there was an undue delay in the initial closing of borders and
    lockdown

    Yet as so usual with you Rich. You're incapable of providing any evidence that refutes our claims. But then what else should we expect from a comprehensionless, Marxist imbecile like you Rich!

    It is amusing that they assert that when in other posts they believe
    Labour acted too quickly and that Covid provisions should have been
    relaxed / removed earlier . . .

    Prove that any of us claimed Labour acted to quickly Rich! Yes the restrictions and that is ALL the restrictions should have been dropped last year! ALL the mandates should be long gone so the nurses who were fired because of Labours illegal mandates can
    go back to work and help relieve some of the pressures our Health system is suffering because of the lack of support from your useless Labour government!!






    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>
    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sun Aug 27 19:22:51 2023
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >> >> >>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >> >> >>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >> >> >>>> in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >> >> >>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >> >> >>>> happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich! >> Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the
    announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us
    which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what
    National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .

    Maybe you can explain why the silly little cow waited two weeks. Oh btw that is a reference to Ardern. Not some smart bovine...


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 27 07:51:09 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 01:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:26:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>>>>>>>You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about >>>>>>>>>>>at
    this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .
    The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could >>>>>>>>>>you
    please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>>>>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>>>>>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again >>>>>to this article:
    Off topic article removed. Try again Rich but on topic this time.

    Completely off topic.
    The topic, as any lucid person would know, is about MSM and other media >>talking
    up the possibiolity of another (planned?) pandemic. Just scare mongering >>because that sells copy.
    STick to topic or start your own.

    You are wrong - they were pointing out that we are not facing another >pandemic - at lest not with these variants - there were a few more
    deaths one week and a bit of speculation, but the article was
    re-assurance that only zombies would have interpreted that as scare
    mongering . . .
    Nonsense. It is my topic and I know what it was about. You clearly just want to change it.
    Start your own topic or stay on this one. Your choice.






    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>>>>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>>>>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that >>>>>>>>false
    conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Aug 27 19:26:13 2023
    On Sun, 27 Aug 2023 01:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 22:26:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 20:37:41 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:40:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:33:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>>>>>>You can fool (fill in the rest).

    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>>>>>>>>>article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>>>>>>>>have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>>>>precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says >>>>>>>>>>in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be, >>>>>>>>>>and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>>>>>>>>major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is >>>>>>>>>>happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . . >>>>>>>>>The only person fooled here is you. Your post makes zero sense. Could >>>>>>>>>you
    please re-post in English?
    The original post stands alone. Your turn.
    OK - then who is the "Her" that we go again?
    It was a typo - I am staggered that you didn't pick that.

    We are used to your staggering, Tony
    More abuse but well we are used to that from you eh?


    Do you not want scientists to track what is happening and keep us >>>>>>>>informed?
    I certainly do and have not suggested otherwise. Do you want both sides >>>>>>>tracked
    or just your pet side?
    What two sides are you talking about?
    The one that you are told to believe by your masters.
    I don't have masters as you seem to think - but for you I refer again >>>>to this article:
    Off topic article removed. Try again Rich but on topic this time.

    Completely off topic.
    The topic, as any lucid person would know, is about MSM and other media talking
    up the possibiolity of another (planned?) pandemic. Just scare mongering >because that sells copy.
    STick to topic or start your own.

    You are wrong - they were pointing out that we are not facing another
    pandemic - at lest not with these variants - there were a few more
    deaths one week and a bit of speculation, but the article was
    re-assurance that only zombies would have interpreted that as scare
    mongering . . .






    You appear to be saying that you posted without having anything to say >>>>>>>>- you do not know where you will not be going, or what you know too >>>>>>>>much about - such is the gibbering of idiots . . .
    You might think I appeared that way but your gibbering led you to that >>>>>>>false
    conclusion (a commomn failure of yours).

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 27 02:57:42 2023
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 7:29:04 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us
    which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what
    National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .

    Wrong as always Rich! You're so far left it's not in yu to ever be right! As to no evidence. Interesting you can't provide any evidence that they didn't delay for two weeks!
    What other countries may or may not have done is off topic. We're talking about one of Labours many failures! what National was doing is immaterial as Labour was in a positin to do whatever they wanted to!

    Maybe you can explain why the silly little cow waited two weeks. Oh btw that is a reference to Ardern. Not some smart bovine...


    It seems that you have fooled yourself - fill in the rest, Tony . . .

    The only fool is the ever lying fool that you are Rich!

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 29 08:32:24 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the >>> >> >>>> article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>> >> >>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>> >> >>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us
    which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what
    National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people
    said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so
    that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 29 15:41:58 2023
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none >>>> >> >>>> have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for >>>> >> >>>> major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us
    which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people
    said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so
    that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 29 03:59:14 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read >>>>> >> >>>>the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article >>>>> >> >>>>says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should >>>>> >> >>>>be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause >>>>> >> >>>>for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what >>>>> >> >>>>is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody >>>>> >> >>>weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the >>>>> >> >>>new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new
    zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary >>>>> >> >delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you >>>>> >Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people
    said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so
    that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks too long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need cites for fantasies.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Aug 29 16:06:27 2023
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:59:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read >>>>>> >> >>>>the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article >>>>>> >> >>>>says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should
    be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause >>>>>> >> >>>>for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what
    is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody >>>>>> >> >>>weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the >>>>>> >> >>>new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new
    zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary >>>>>> >> >delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you >>>>>> >Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks too >long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need >cites for fantasies.

    So you admit that you cannot provide evidence because it is just your
    fantasy; and you are wrong.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 21:13:21 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 3:48:09 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so
    that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..
    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Bullshit! You disagree with us Rich so it's up to you to provide real cites to back up your typical biased and stupid claims!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 29 04:52:44 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:59:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:




    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read >>>>>>> >> >>>>the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article >>>>>>> >> >>>>says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant >>>>>>> >> >>>>should
    be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause >>>>>>> >> >>>>for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following >>>>>>> >> >>>>what
    is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody >>>>>>> >> >>>weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the >>>>>>> >> >>>new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new >>>>>>> >> >>>zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary >>>>>>> >> >delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an >>>>>>> >> unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you >>>>>>> >Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it >>>>got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks too >>long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need >>cites for fantasies.

    So you admit that you cannot provide evidence because it is just your >fantasy; and you are wrong.
    Oh please get some English teaching. You say I am wrong and yet you cannot demonstrate that she was not two weeks late. Give up Rich, you are arguing with the adults here and you are not yet ready.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 28 21:17:18 2023
    On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 4:12:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:59:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read
    the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article
    says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should
    be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause
    for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what
    is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody
    weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the
    new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new >>>>>> >> >>>zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary
    delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an >>>>>> >> unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you
    Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it >>>got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks too
    long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need >cites for fantasies.
    So you admit that you cannot provide evidence because it is just your fantasy; and you are wrong.
    The only fantasy is your support of Arderns claim Labour went hard and fast! As we've told you here on several occasions Labour fucked around for a fortnight then took a bloody month to settle what the lock down involved!
    So Rich. I suggest you stop making yourself look like the politicised Marxist muppet you are and admit you're more than happy to tell any stupid lie to back up your own fantasy about how great the worst government in NZ history has been over the last six
    years. Not just when they screwed around with the lockdowns and MIQ!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Aug 29 21:59:47 2023
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:52:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:59:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:




    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read
    the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article
    says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant >>>>>>>> >> >>>>should
    be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause >>>>>>>> >> >>>>for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following >>>>>>>> >> >>>>what
    is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody >>>>>>>> >> >>>weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the >>>>>>>> >> >>>new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new >>>>>>>> >> >>>zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary
    delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an >>>>>>>> >> unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you >>>>>>>> >Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it >>>>>got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks too >>>long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need >>>cites for fantasies.

    So you admit that you cannot provide evidence because it is just your >>fantasy; and you are wrong.
    Oh please get some English teaching. You say I am wrong and yet you cannot >demonstrate that she was not two weeks late. Give up Rich, you are arguing with
    the adults here and you are not yet ready.
    English is not the problem - both lies and the truth can be in English
    - you have provided no evidence of your claim about two weeks - I
    suspect you dreamed that claim up and are now feeling guilty when you
    know it is a lie . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 29 20:43:50 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:52:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:59:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 >>>>>>>>> >> >>>wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:





    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>read
    the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>article
    says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>should
    be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>cause
    for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>what
    is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two >>>>>>>>> >> >>>bloody
    weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of >>>>>>>>> >> >>>the
    new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new >>>>>>>>> >> >>>zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to >>>>>>>>> >> >>go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an
    unnecessary
    delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an >>>>>>>>> >> unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like >>>>>>>>> >you
    Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>>>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>>>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it >>>>>>got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks >>>>too
    long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need >>>>cites for fantasies.

    So you admit that you cannot provide evidence because it is just your >>>fantasy; and you are wrong.
    Oh please get some English teaching. You say I am wrong and yet you cannot >>demonstrate that she was not two weeks late. Give up Rich, you are arguing >>with
    the adults here and you are not yet ready.
    English is not the problem - both lies and the truth can be in English
    - you have provided no evidence of your claim about two weeks - I
    suspect you dreamed that claim up and are now feeling guilty when you
    know it is a lie . . .
    You are a liar, not me. The whoile thing was a deliberate beat up and I exposed it. You have failed to show otherwise. Grow up.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Aug 29 14:52:53 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 8:43:53 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 04:52:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 03:59:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>>> >> >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 >>>>>>>>> >> >>>wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:





    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>read
    the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far,
    none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>article
    says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>should
    be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give >>>>>>>>> >> >>>>cause
    for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following
    what
    is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned
    about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two >>>>>>>>> >> >>>bloody
    weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of >>>>>>>>> >> >>>the
    new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new >>>>>>>>> >> >>>zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to
    go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an >>>>>>>>> >> >unnecessary
    delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not. >>>>>>>>> >> The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an >>>>>>>>> >> unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like >>>>>>>>> >you
    Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>>>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>>>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it >>>>>>got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .
    Fantasies don't need cites. But truth stands alone. She waited two weeks >>>>too
    long, that is well understood by all except those that, paradoxically, need
    cites for fantasies.

    So you admit that you cannot provide evidence because it is just your >>>fantasy; and you are wrong.
    Oh please get some English teaching. You say I am wrong and yet you cannot >>demonstrate that she was not two weeks late. Give up Rich, you are arguing >>with
    the adults here and you are not yet ready.
    English is not the problem - both lies and the truth can be in English
    - you have provided no evidence of your claim about two weeks - I
    suspect you dreamed that claim up and are now feeling guilty when you
    know it is a lie . . .
    You are a liar, not me. The whoile thing was a deliberate beat up and I exposed
    it. You have failed to show otherwise. Grow up.
    Isn't it interesting just how desperate Rich is in his drive to prove his stupidity beyond a doubt :)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Mutley on Wed Aug 30 03:53:49 2023
    Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read >>>>>> >> >>>>the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article >>>>>> >> >>>>says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant >>>>>> >> >>>>should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause >>>>>> >> >>>>for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following >>>>>> >> >>>>what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody >>>>>> >> >>>weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the >>>>>> >> >>>new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new
    zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary >>>>>> >> >delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you >>>>>> >Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .

    You're the one with the fantasies. Take off your Jacinda underwear
    and see the real world for a change.
    Impossible, that would require a small amount of integrity - not happening.

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 30 15:22:40 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>> >> >>>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now.
    You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good >>>>> >> >>>> precautions against widespread infection and death. The article says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go >>>>> >> >>into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an
    unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence''
    Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people
    said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so
    that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it
    got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .

    You're the one with the fantasies. Take off your Jacinda underwear
    and see the real world for a change.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Aug 29 22:57:07 2023
    On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 3:53:52 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Tue, 29 Aug 2023 08:32:24 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 19:14:00 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 12:36:04?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 15:13:03 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 9:39:10?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 20:37:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 00:51:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:15:30?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 05:22:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/300957705/a-new-highly-mutated-covid19-variant-ba286-has-scientists-on-alert
    Except we will not be going there - we know too much now. >>>>>> >> >>>> >You can fool (fill in the rest).
    Well you have clearly fooled yourself, Tony - did you even read
    the
    article?

    We know that there have been many variants, and that, so far, >>>>>> >> >>>>none
    have emerged that are as concerning as those that we took good
    precautions against widespread infection and death. The article
    says
    in a number of different ways that this particular variant >>>>>> >> >>>>should be,
    and is, being monitored, but at this stage does not give cause
    for
    major concerns. It is good that our scientists are following >>>>>> >> >>>>what is
    happening right around the world, but nothing to be concerned >>>>>> >> >>>>about at
    this stage.

    Good precautions? Pity it took the stupid little girl two bloody
    weeks to
    make it! After that it was all lies, demands and breaches of the
    new zealand
    bill of rights! Letting overseas dj's in while keeping new >>>>>> >> >>>zealanders out!

    So identify the countries that moved faster than New Zealand to go
    into lockdown . . .
    Irrelevant as you well know. The fact that there was an unnecessary
    delay is
    the issue not whether other countries delayed or not.
    The two are actually related; but prove then that there was an >>>>>> >> unnecessary delay . . .

    Only in the eyes of a comprehensionless lying Marxist muppet like you
    Rich!
    Prove there was any unnecessary delay, John . . .

    The fact Ardern waited TWO WEEKS is proof enough for anyone except >>>>>comprehensionless, lying, Marxists like you Rich!
    Every announcement is two weeks after a day two weeks before the >>>>announcement, John. So identify what it was two weeks after, tell us >>>>which other country or countries were faster, and also tell us what >>>>National were pushing for at the time . . . John ''no evidence'' >>>>Bowes loses again . . .
    She waited two weeks Rich after ACT and National and the health people >>>said to close the boarder. She wanted her March 15th glory event so >>>that the overseas media could report it. She waited too long and it >>>got in via tourist and people coming to a conference..

    Rubbish. Give cites for your fantasies . . .

    You're the one with the fantasies. Take off your Jacinda underwear
    and see the real world for a change.
    Impossible, that would require a small amount of integrity - not happening.
    Plus a modicum of intelligence! Two thing most on the left lack!

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