https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and expertise who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:44:29 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and expertise >> who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
Interesting times. More and more are speaking out about the scientific scam that is the so called climate crisis:)
However there are some who have invested so much time pushing it in this ng who're incapable of an open mind...
https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and expertise >who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:44:26 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and expertise >>who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
I am interested in climate trends. To me it is apparent that our
planet is warming up, but not apparent is what is causing this and how >catastrophic this development is to humans. I get that there is
opposition to the notion that climate change is man-made, and I
certainly oppose climate-mitigation in NZ until northern-hemisphere
countries show serious intent to do the same.
Am I missing something here? Is there a widespread belief that the
earth is not warming up?
On 2023-08-24, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:44:29?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and expertise
who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
Interesting times. More and more are speaking out about the scientific scam that is the so called climate crisis:)
However there are some who have invested so much time pushing it in this ng who're incapable of an open mind...
I think this because that it very much harder to cancel the scientific >narrative as there is much more scientific evidence of past events, people >all experience the climate and the seasons also keep weaking the boiling >oceans "fact".
The Covid narrative could get real traction as it was new, came out of the >lab, sorry out of the blue, and death was possible. Your family and friends. >Society also accepted that the powers that be were the honest andDeath was more than possible - for a short time deaths overwhelmed
honourable, transparent as well.
The panic pushers do make statements which can been seen so silly. It only >now that similar statements related to Covid now considered silly.Our Covid deaths have crept up since restrictions were reduced and now
On 24 Aug 2023 22:05:06 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Off topic. This is not about whether there is climate change. That has never really been the subject.
On 2023-08-24, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:44:29?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and >>>>expertisehttps://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
Interesting times. More and more are speaking out about the scientific scam >>>that is the so called climate crisis:)
However there are some who have invested so much time pushing it in this ng >>>who're incapable of an open mind...
I think this because that it very much harder to cancel the scientific >>narrative as there is much more scientific evidence of past events, people >>all experience the climate and the seasons also keep weaking the boiling >>oceans "fact".
It is not clear what you mean by that statement. Certainly we have
been seeing our glaciers retreat for many years, and we are seeing
fish and sea-birds in NZ Waters that previously did not travel as far
north, and we hear of ice melting at both poles - leading to larger
floating this ice around Antarctica (and thinner ice shelves), and
retreating ice in the Arctic affecting available habitat for polar
bears for example. Extreme weather events are seen as both
confirmation of climate change but also as increasing numbers of
random events that are not cause by anything . . .
They do not support any party. Your lie lives on but is still a lie.The Covid narrative could get real traction as it was new, came out of the >>lab, sorry out of the blue, and death was possible. Your family and friends. >>Society also accepted that the powers that be were the honest and >>honourable, transparent as well.Death was more than possible - for a short time deaths overwhelmed
facilities in New York and Italy, ad we saw pictures of large mass
graves. Death was real, but there were real differences in actions
taken by governments. Here in New Zealand Opposition parties
consistently advocated fewer precautions and that we should follow
countries like the UK, Sweden, Norway, and the USA and Australia. As
we have seen in every case the precautions taken by our government,
and the economic actions taken to support companies and workers, led
to New Zealand having a lower death rate and a better economic outcome
than the rest of the world - and referring to deaths, had we followed
the experience of the USA we would have had around 14,000 more deaths
- death was more than possible . . . and all the actions were taken
honestly, honourably and transparently - advice was passed on and the
reasons for the changes explained. However while that was accepted at
the time, we have picked up on some of the very twisted and extreme
views that have resulted in anti-vaxxers getting mixed up with other
issues and inventing grievances; with some political parties being
very coy about their own views; National and ACT have had to reject
some people that have been shown to hold extreme views ; not realising
that the parties have had to reject some of the extremist positions or
face losing support - they could accept and passively encourage some
(As the NZ Taxpayer union did with some campaigns) but eventually had
to come clean that those views did not and would not become party
policy.)
We can rely on Labour to do what they always do. Grab power and impose control.Our Covid deaths have crept up since restrictions were reduced and now >removed, but Labour and National now appear to have very similar
The panic pushers do make statements which can been seen so silly. It only >>now that similar statements related to Covid now considered silly.
policies regarding what should not be happening; but many do realise
that in the event of a similar pandemic happening again, they can at
least rely on Labour to follow professional health advice and to put
lives before expediency or short term business interests.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So you raise an issue, and when it is mildly queried, you arbitrarily
On 24 Aug 2023 22:05:06 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Off topic. This is not about whether there is climate change. That has never >really been the subject.
On 2023-08-24, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:44:29?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and >>>>>expertisehttps://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
Interesting times. More and more are speaking out about the scientific scam
that is the so called climate crisis:)
However there are some who have invested so much time pushing it in this ng
who're incapable of an open mind...
I think this because that it very much harder to cancel the scientific >>>narrative as there is much more scientific evidence of past events, people >>>all experience the climate and the seasons also keep weaking the boiling >>>oceans "fact".
It is not clear what you mean by that statement. Certainly we have
been seeing our glaciers retreat for many years, and we are seeing
fish and sea-birds in NZ Waters that previously did not travel as far >>north, and we hear of ice melting at both poles - leading to larger >>floating this ice around Antarctica (and thinner ice shelves), and >>retreating ice in the Arctic affecting available habitat for polar
bears for example. Extreme weather events are seen as both
confirmation of climate change but also as increasing numbers of
random events that are not cause by anything . . .
Which was the correct thing to do when a lock down was called in anThey do not support any party. Your lie lives on but is still a lie.
The Covid narrative could get real traction as it was new, came out of the >>>lab, sorry out of the blue, and death was possible. Your family and friends. >>>Society also accepted that the powers that be were the honest and >>>honourable, transparent as well.Death was more than possible - for a short time deaths overwhelmed >>facilities in New York and Italy, ad we saw pictures of large mass
graves. Death was real, but there were real differences in actions
taken by governments. Here in New Zealand Opposition parties
consistently advocated fewer precautions and that we should follow >>countries like the UK, Sweden, Norway, and the USA and Australia. As
we have seen in every case the precautions taken by our government,
and the economic actions taken to support companies and workers, led
to New Zealand having a lower death rate and a better economic outcome
than the rest of the world - and referring to deaths, had we followed
the experience of the USA we would have had around 14,000 more deaths
- death was more than possible . . . and all the actions were taken >>honestly, honourably and transparently - advice was passed on and the >>reasons for the changes explained. However while that was accepted at
the time, we have picked up on some of the very twisted and extreme
views that have resulted in anti-vaxxers getting mixed up with other
issues and inventing grievances; with some political parties being
very coy about their own views; National and ACT have had to reject
some people that have been shown to hold extreme views ; not realising
that the parties have had to reject some of the extremist positions or
face losing support - they could accept and passively encourage some
(As the NZ Taxpayer union did with some campaigns) but eventually had
to come clean that those views did not and would not become party
policy.)
We can rely on Labour to do what they always do. Grab power and impose control.
Our Covid deaths have crept up since restrictions were reduced and now >>removed, but Labour and National now appear to have very similar
The panic pushers do make statements which can been seen so silly. It only >>>now that similar statements related to Covid now considered silly.
policies regarding what should not be happening; but many do realise
that in the event of a similar pandemic happening again, they can at
least rely on Labour to follow professional health advice and to put
lives before expediency or short term business interests.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:31:47 -0000 (UTC), TonyAs I wrote - off topic. The topic I posted about was nothing to do withe whether the climate is changing.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:So you raise an issue, and when it is mildly queried, you arbitrarily
On 24 Aug 2023 22:05:06 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Off topic. This is not about whether there is climate change. That has never >>really been the subject.
On 2023-08-24, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:44:29?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and >>>>>>expertisehttps://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
Interesting times. More and more are speaking out about the scientific >>>>>scam
that is the so called climate crisis:)
However there are some who have invested so much time pushing it in this >>>>>ng
who're incapable of an open mind...
I think this because that it very much harder to cancel the scientific >>>>narrative as there is much more scientific evidence of past events, people >>>>all experience the climate and the seasons also keep weaking the boiling >>>>oceans "fact".
It is not clear what you mean by that statement. Certainly we have
been seeing our glaciers retreat for many years, and we are seeing
fish and sea-birds in NZ Waters that previously did not travel as far >>>north, and we hear of ice melting at both poles - leading to larger >>>floating this ice around Antarctica (and thinner ice shelves), and >>>retreating ice in the Arctic affecting available habitat for polar
bears for example. Extreme weather events are seen as both
confirmation of climate change but also as increasing numbers of
random events that are not cause by anything . . .
declare that you cannot explain what you said or why you said it.
Climate change and the "climate crisis" presumably have some overlap -
but arguing definitions is one way you try to restrict discussions to
only your personal views - right Tony?
Which was the correct thing to do when a lock down was called in anThey do not support any party. Your lie lives on but is still a lie.
The Covid narrative could get real traction as it was new, came out of the >>>>lab, sorry out of the blue, and death was possible. Your family and friends.Death was more than possible - for a short time deaths overwhelmed >>>facilities in New York and Italy, ad we saw pictures of large mass >>>graves. Death was real, but there were real differences in actions
Society also accepted that the powers that be were the honest and >>>>honourable, transparent as well.
taken by governments. Here in New Zealand Opposition parties
consistently advocated fewer precautions and that we should follow >>>countries like the UK, Sweden, Norway, and the USA and Australia. As
we have seen in every case the precautions taken by our government,
and the economic actions taken to support companies and workers, led
to New Zealand having a lower death rate and a better economic outcome >>>than the rest of the world - and referring to deaths, had we followed
the experience of the USA we would have had around 14,000 more deaths
- death was more than possible . . . and all the actions were taken >>>honestly, honourably and transparently - advice was passed on and the >>>reasons for the changes explained. However while that was accepted at
the time, we have picked up on some of the very twisted and extreme
views that have resulted in anti-vaxxers getting mixed up with other >>>issues and inventing grievances; with some political parties being
very coy about their own views; National and ACT have had to reject
some people that have been shown to hold extreme views ; not realising >>>that the parties have had to reject some of the extremist positions or >>>face losing support - they could accept and passively encourage some
(As the NZ Taxpayer union did with some campaigns) but eventually had
to come clean that those views did not and would not become party >>>policy.)
We can rely on Labour to do what they always do. Grab power and impose >>control.
Our Covid deaths have crept up since restrictions were reduced and now >>>removed, but Labour and National now appear to have very similar
The panic pushers do make statements which can been seen so silly. It only >>>>now that similar statements related to Covid now considered silly.
policies regarding what should not be happening; but many do realise
that in the event of a similar pandemic happening again, they can at >>>least rely on Labour to follow professional health advice and to put >>>lives before expediency or short term business interests.
emergency situation - and letting go that power before the pandemic
had stopped is the other side - but you do try never to see the other
side of anything - 'right', Tony?
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:44:26 -0000 (UTC), TonyNot to my knowledge Crash. I have never suggested that it is not warming. And >it has gone through warming and cooling periods for millenia.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and expertise >>>who are saying similar things.https://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
Time to open minds.
I am interested in climate trends. To me it is apparent that our
planet is warming up, but not apparent is what is causing this and how >>catastrophic this development is to humans. I get that there is
opposition to the notion that climate change is man-made, and I
certainly oppose climate-mitigation in NZ until northern-hemisphere >>countries show serious intent to do the same.
Am I missing something here? Is there a widespread belief that the
earth is not warming up?
My concern is that the assumption, rarely supported scientifically, that the >cause is predominantly man-made is at least questionable.
On Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:04:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 20:44:26 -0000 (UTC), TonyNot to my knowledge Crash. I have never suggested that it is not warming. And >>it has gone through warming and cooling periods for millenia.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
There is an increasing number of people with solid backgrounds and >>>>expertisehttps://waikanaewatch.org/2023/08/24/the-founder-of-the-weather-channel-debunks-the-climate-cult/
who are saying similar things.
Time to open minds.
I am interested in climate trends. To me it is apparent that our
planet is warming up, but not apparent is what is causing this and how >>>catastrophic this development is to humans. I get that there is >>>opposition to the notion that climate change is man-made, and I
certainly oppose climate-mitigation in NZ until northern-hemisphere >>>countries show serious intent to do the same.
Am I missing something here? Is there a widespread belief that the
earth is not warming up?
My concern is that the assumption, rarely supported scientifically, that the >>cause is predominantly man-made is at least questionable.
The most-often cited link to man-made cause seems to be the large
increase in CO2 emissions, starting with the advent of steam power
during the industrial revolution (produced by fire-heated boilers) and
then increasing substantially with the extraction/refining of crude
oil and the burning of refined product.
I don't know all the nuances linking CO2 emissions to man-made global
warming so I would appreciate clarity on this.
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