• Good government vs we'll tell you how to teach" again

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 21:59:31 2023
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to
    mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That
    hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 22 20:58:30 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That
    hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting >requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .
    Obviously you didn't either.
    Fact is 40% of students are not attending school regularly, that is new since 2017 - I wonder why! Could it be the policies Hipkons imposed?

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 09:39:25 2023
    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Aug 22 16:29:04 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 8:58:33 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead >“putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a >“common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the >school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history >because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told >reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in >reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major >education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that >decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting >requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .
    Obviously you didn't either.
    Fact is 40% of students are not attending school regularly, that is new since
    2017 - I wonder why! Could it be the policies Hipkons imposed?
    Not to mention the massive slip in numeracy, reading and writing since Labour ditched targets!
    Rich's claim we've had good government is just the usual stupid lie we've come to expect from him. Plus as a cite he uses thespinoff a blatant Labour supporting misinformation site and quote unionists who've helped turn education into the disaster it is
    under this government! Typical of those who blindly follow our Marxist government because they're dumb enough to think Marxism will ever work!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to greybeard on Tue Aug 22 16:29:35 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:40:44 AM UTC+12, greybeard wrote:
    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."
    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??
    Bad so called leadership from a corrupt and useless government!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Aug 23 15:18:39 2023
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to
    mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That
    hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education
    minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is
    clear is that our international performance dropped after National
    Standards were introduced.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 23 03:29:50 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to
    mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That
    hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got
    a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education
    minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is
    clear is that our international performance dropped after National
    Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Aug 22 22:10:42 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:24:15 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >> mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >> hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education
    minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??
    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is
    clear is that our international performance dropped after National
    Standards were introduced.
    Dropped even lower when your useless government decided to drop them. Which only goes to show that typical of the despicable and useless government you worship National had an idea that WAS working. Unlike Labour who haven't worked since it got rid of
    the workers and was run by academics with worthless communication and political science degrees!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Aug 22 22:12:40 2023
    On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 3:29:52 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nob...@nowhere.invalid> >wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >>> mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >>> hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >>> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way
    of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >>> minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in >>> reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is >clear is that our international performance dropped after National >Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.
    As usual for the lying Rich80105 he takes Labours failure as being the fault of National rather than the fact that Marxism doesn't work even when it's being pushed from his inglorious Labour party, the party of shirkers like Rich!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Aug 23 19:59:45 2023
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to
    mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the
    school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That
    hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >>>> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way >>>> of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >>>> minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is
    clear is that our international performance dropped after National >>Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.

    Congratulations Tony, you have at last acknowledged that nz.general is
    a group discussion - it is after all a usenet "group", and not a
    series of private discussions policed in your mind by yourself or
    failing that whoever had most recently been addressed. So well done of
    showing that you are capable of learning and prepared to post against
    all your previous injunctions to others and your normal rigid
    observance of hierarchical structure and dogma, turned out to be so
    free of relevance or factual truth.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 23 19:57:32 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >>>>> mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the >>>>> school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >>>>> hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >>>>> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way >>>>> of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >>>>> minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in
    reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is >>>clear is that our international performance dropped after National >>>Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.

    Congratulations Tony, you have at last acknowledged that nz.general is
    a group discussion
    It was you not me that tried to control what I post here. I have never thought of this as anything other than a group discussion. However I abhor your lazy practice of answering someone other than the poster you are replying to.
    That is a nasty and lazy little trick - and quite deliberate I suspect - it matches your personality perfectly.
    - it is after all a usenet "group", and not a
    series of private discussions policed in your mind by yourself or
    failing that whoever had most recently been addressed. So well done of >showing that you are capable of learning and prepared to post against
    all your previous injunctions to others and your normal rigid
    observance of hierarchical structure and dogma, turned out to be so
    free of relevance or factual truth.
    What a silly sentence, devoid of evidence and just more of your abusive behaviour, it is of course totally made up by your sartcastic tiny mind.
    You are getting very deperate. Time for a return trip to that place with the soft walls.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Aug 24 08:52:22 2023
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:57:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>>wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu >>>>>> Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >>>>>> mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead >>>>>> “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the >>>>>> school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >>>>>> hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >>>>>> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way >>>>>> of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >>>>>> minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in >>>>>> reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out >>>>>> from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is >>>>clear is that our international performance dropped after National >>>>Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.

    Congratulations Tony, you have at last acknowledged that nz.general is
    a group discussion
    It was you not me that tried to control what I post here. I have never thought >of this as anything other than a group discussion. However I abhor your lazy >practice of answering someone other than the poster you are replying to.
    That is a nasty and lazy little trick - and quite deliberate I suspect - it >matches your personality perfectly.

    And there you go again - trying to dictate how a group discussion
    should work - you really are an obsessive wannabe controller of
    everything, aren't you Tony.


    - it is after all a usenet "group", and not a
    series of private discussions policed in your mind by yourself or
    failing that whoever had most recently been addressed. So well done of >>showing that you are capable of learning and prepared to post against
    all your previous injunctions to others and your normal rigid
    observance of hierarchical structure and dogma, turned out to be so
    free of relevance or factual truth.
    What a silly sentence, devoid of evidence and just more of your abusive >behaviour, it is of course totally made up by your sartcastic tiny mind.
    You are getting very deperate. Time for a return trip to that place with the >soft walls.
    Sorry I have no wish to visit you, but do try to get some help, Tony.
    driving everyone away has made you bitter and twisted . . .

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 23 22:00:29 2023
    On 2023-08-23, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu
    Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while NationalÂ’s plan was akin to >>>>> mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead
    “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the >>>>> school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >>>>> hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history
    because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >>>>> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told
    reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last
    evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way >>>>> of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >>>>> minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in >>>>> reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he
    said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out
    from the election was because he hadnÂ’t wanted to implement major
    education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting
    requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National
    have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is >>>clear is that our international performance dropped after National >>>Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.

    Congratulations Tony, you have at last acknowledged that nz.general is
    a group discussion - it is after all a usenet "group", and not a
    series of private discussions policed in your mind by yourself or
    failing that whoever had most recently been addressed. So well done of showing that you are capable of learning and prepared to post against
    all your previous injunctions to others and your normal rigid
    observance of hierarchical structure and dogma, turned out to be so
    free of relevance or factual truth.

    Really?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 24 03:25:53 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 19:57:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 03:29:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 23 Aug 2023 09:39:25 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid> >>>>>wrote:

    On 22/08/23 21:59, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/22-08-2023/national-accuses-labour-of-stealing-its-homework-in-education-policy-tussle

    ". . . Mark Potter, the president of the education institute Te Riu >>>>>>> Roa, the union which represents 30,000 primary school teachers,
    disagreed. He told The Spinoff that while National’s plan was akin to >>>>>>> mandating people to remember to breathe, the government was instead >>>>>>> “putting a pin” in work that was already under way to develop a
    “common practice” approach for teachers."

    and
    "Earlier in the year, the prime minister expressed concern about the >>>>>>> school curriculum becoming a football in this year’s election. “That >>>>>>> hasn’t been a feature of our recent New Zealand political history >>>>>>> because I think parents, kids, teachers deserve to know that we’ve got >>>>>>> a stable curriculum regardless of who the government is,” he told >>>>>>> reporters at the time.

    Hipkins reiterated this in his post-cabinet press conference last >>>>>>> evening, saying he didn’t want “political tinkering” to get in the way >>>>>>> of educating students. The prime minister invoked the unpopular
    national standards policy that he ditched during his time as education >>>>>>> minister. “That was an ideologically driven policy that resulted in >>>>>>> reading, writing and maths getting worse for that generation,” he >>>>>>> said. “We have to make decisions that are based on evidence.”

    He said that announcing this government policy just 50-odd days out >>>>>>> from the election was because he hadn’t wanted to implement major >>>>>>> education changes during the Covid-19 period. “I stand by that
    decision.” "


    National Standards clogged up teacher time with useless reporting >>>>>>> requirements - but National did not learned anything . . .


    " but National did not learned anything . . ."

    Bad teacher? Poor student? Both??

    Typo, greybeard. I'm not sure now whether I meant to type National >>>>>have not learned anything or National did not learn anything. What is >>>>>clear is that our international performance dropped after National >>>>>Standards were introduced.
    Not clear at all. No cite provided by you.

    Congratulations Tony, you have at last acknowledged that nz.general is
    a group discussion
    It was you not me that tried to control what I post here. I have never >>thought
    of this as anything other than a group discussion. However I abhor your lazy >>practice of answering someone other than the poster you are replying to. >>That is a nasty and lazy little trick - and quite deliberate I suspect - it >>matches your personality perfectly.

    And there you go again - trying to dictate how a group discussion
    should work - you really are an obsessive wannabe controller of
    everything, aren't you Tony.
    I am not dictating anything. You tried to dicttate to me when I posted an article from the USA and you stated it should not have been posted and never explained why! You are the dictator in chief, I don't care what topic people post.


    - it is after all a usenet "group", and not a
    series of private discussions policed in your mind by yourself or
    failing that whoever had most recently been addressed. So well done of >>>showing that you are capable of learning and prepared to post against
    all your previous injunctions to others and your normal rigid
    observance of hierarchical structure and dogma, turned out to be so
    free of relevance or factual truth.
    What a silly sentence, devoid of evidence and just more of your abusive >>behaviour, it is of course totally made up by your sartcastic tiny mind. >>You are getting very deperate. Time for a return trip to that place with the >>soft walls.
    Sorry I have no wish to visit you, but do try to get some help, Tony.
    driving everyone away has made you bitter and twisted . . .
    You are a piece of filth, and your abuse gets worse every day. My word you are so desperate to save your failed government that you resort to defamation again.

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