• Actions speak louder than words, a significant event

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 19 22:11:48 2023
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132776440/the-political-divide-drowns-out-chris-hipkins-splits-families-in-tara

    Some time the heat and pressure remains underground for some time. It then explodes right onto the stage.

    People willing to turn up and inform the PM just what they think of the this Government is an accurate indication of the situation. No PM is was not a
    good idea for the previous PM to not meet the people who had come to see you out side your place of work.

    I have heard that the Auckland/Northland folks were very angry at the Covid measures and narrative and it would be payback big time.

    The ballot box will be here shortly, give these people a voting paper.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sun Aug 20 12:59:14 2023
    On 19 Aug 2023 22:11:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132776440/the-political-divide-drowns-out-chris-hipkins-splits-families-in-tara

    Some time the heat and pressure remains underground for some time. It then >explodes right onto the stage.

    People willing to turn up and inform the PM just what they think of the this >Government is an accurate indication of the situation. No PM is was not a >good idea for the previous PM to not meet the people who had come to see you >out side your place of work.

    I have heard that the Auckland/Northland folks were very angry at the Covid >measures and narrative and it would be payback big time.

    The ballot box will be here shortly, give these people a voting paper.

    In Northland in particular (and probably Auckland) there is probably a
    sizable number of people not happy with the way lockdowns were
    managed.

    Don't forget that Northland was 'landlocked' by the Auckland lockdowns
    - it was not possible to drive or fly out of Northland. There will be
    quite a few people in both areas with abiding bitterness of how
    lockdowns were imposed and policed.

    The PM would do well to reckon with protesters at his public
    appearances. Those protesters would do well to remember the limits of acceptable protest behaviour.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to geographically isolated Northland a on Sun Aug 20 16:13:53 2023
    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 15:46:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:59:14 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 19 Aug 2023 22:11:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132776440/the-political-divide-drowns-out-chris-hipkins-splits-families-in-tara

    Some time the heat and pressure remains underground for some time. It then >>>explodes right onto the stage.

    People willing to turn up and inform the PM just what they think of the this >>>Government is an accurate indication of the situation. No PM is was not a >>>good idea for the previous PM to not meet the people who had come to see you >>>out side your place of work.

    I have heard that the Auckland/Northland folks were very angry at the Covid >>>measures and narrative and it would be payback big time.

    The ballot box will be here shortly, give these people a voting paper.

    In Northland in particular (and probably Auckland) there is probably a >>sizable number of people not happy with the way lockdowns were
    managed.

    Don't forget that Northland was 'landlocked' by the Auckland lockdowns
    - it was not possible to drive or fly out of Northland. There will be >>quite a few people in both areas with abiding bitterness of how
    lockdowns were imposed and policed.

    The PM would do well to reckon with protesters at his public
    appearances. Those protesters would do well to remember the limits of >>acceptable protest behaviour.

    The "Freedom" party that wants to deny free speech to others is fairly >concentrated in Auckland; I can't see the lockdowns being much of an
    issue in Northland - after all the world-leading low number of Covid
    deaths delivered a majority single party government last time.

    Rich, the tide turned against the Labour Government after the last
    election. The Parliamentary protest was instrumental in this as was
    the Auckland lockdowns after the election that effectively
    geographically isolated Northland as I said in my prior post.

    They
    are more likely to be concerned about regional support including
    provision of water; social support, including minimum wage and the
    removal of GST on fruit. Willow Jean Prime is the current MP by a very
    small margin at the last election - Matt King is not standing again-I
    don't know how Grant McCallum is regarded; and Shane Jones who came
    third last time is standing again.

    Off-topic in respect of the OP commenting on what happened at the
    Otara markets yesterday, but be aware there is a strong anti-Labour
    feeling out there in Northland and the Freedom party is nowhere to be
    seen.

    The feelings are strong and there are likely to be protesters wherever
    the PM campaigns.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 15:46:42 2023
    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:59:14 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 19 Aug 2023 22:11:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132776440/the-political-divide-drowns-out-chris-hipkins-splits-families-in-tara

    Some time the heat and pressure remains underground for some time. It then >>explodes right onto the stage.

    People willing to turn up and inform the PM just what they think of the this >>Government is an accurate indication of the situation. No PM is was not a >>good idea for the previous PM to not meet the people who had come to see you >>out side your place of work.

    I have heard that the Auckland/Northland folks were very angry at the Covid >>measures and narrative and it would be payback big time.

    The ballot box will be here shortly, give these people a voting paper.

    In Northland in particular (and probably Auckland) there is probably a >sizable number of people not happy with the way lockdowns were
    managed.

    Don't forget that Northland was 'landlocked' by the Auckland lockdowns
    - it was not possible to drive or fly out of Northland. There will be
    quite a few people in both areas with abiding bitterness of how
    lockdowns were imposed and policed.

    The PM would do well to reckon with protesters at his public
    appearances. Those protesters would do well to remember the limits of >acceptable protest behaviour.

    The "Freedom" party that wants to deny free speech to others is fairly concentrated in Auckland; I can't see the lockdowns being much of an
    issue in Northland - after all the world-leading low number of Covid
    deaths delivered a majority single party government last time. They
    are more likely to be concerned about regional support including
    provision of water; social support, including minimum wage and the
    removal of GST on fruit. Willow Jean Prime is the current MP by a very
    small margin at the last election - Matt King is not standing again-I
    don't know how Grant McCallum is regarded; and Shane Jones who came
    third last time is standing again.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 20 17:06:15 2023
    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:13:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 15:46:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Sun, 20 Aug 2023 12:59:14 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    On 19 Aug 2023 22:11:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132776440/the-political-divide-drowns-out-chris-hipkins-splits-families-in-tara

    Some time the heat and pressure remains underground for some time. It then >>>>explodes right onto the stage.

    People willing to turn up and inform the PM just what they think of the this
    Government is an accurate indication of the situation. No PM is was not a >>>>good idea for the previous PM to not meet the people who had come to see you
    out side your place of work.

    I have heard that the Auckland/Northland folks were very angry at the Covid >>>>measures and narrative and it would be payback big time.

    The ballot box will be here shortly, give these people a voting paper.

    In Northland in particular (and probably Auckland) there is probably a >>>sizable number of people not happy with the way lockdowns were
    managed.

    Don't forget that Northland was 'landlocked' by the Auckland lockdowns
    - it was not possible to drive or fly out of Northland. There will be >>>quite a few people in both areas with abiding bitterness of how
    lockdowns were imposed and policed.

    The PM would do well to reckon with protesters at his public
    appearances. Those protesters would do well to remember the limits of >>>acceptable protest behaviour.

    The "Freedom" party that wants to deny free speech to others is fairly >>concentrated in Auckland; I can't see the lockdowns being much of an
    issue in Northland - after all the world-leading low number of Covid
    deaths delivered a majority single party government last time.

    Rich, the tide turned against the Labour Government after the last
    election. The Parliamentary protest was instrumental in this as was
    the Auckland lockdowns after the election that effectively
    geographically isolated Northland as I said in my prior post.

    They
    are more likely to be concerned about regional support including
    provision of water; social support, including minimum wage and the
    removal of GST on fruit. Willow Jean Prime is the current MP by a very >>small margin at the last election - Matt King is not standing again-I
    don't know how Grant McCallum is regarded; and Shane Jones who came
    third last time is standing again.

    Off-topic in respect of the OP commenting on what happened at the
    Otara markets yesterday, but be aware there is a strong anti-Labour
    feeling out there in Northland and the Freedom party is nowhere to be
    seen.
    But on-topic in relation to the issue of Northland which I did not
    initiate.


    The feelings are strong and there are likely to be protesters wherever
    the PM campaigns.

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