• All users need to pay.

    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Aug 17 02:34:04 2023
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951731/live-government-says-fuel-tax-will-increase-to-fund-new-transport-projects-fill-potholes


    "The Government says it needs more money for its transport projects,
    as it plans new highway and bus projects.

    In the Government’s new land transport plan, Transport Minister David
    Parker proposed raising the fuel tax by 12 cents a litre over the next
    three years. The hike would be staggered in 2 cent and then 4 cent
    increases. Road user charges would also increase."

    With inflation at 6% and tax being half of cost of petrol we have 9% of
    $3.00 or 27 cents increase after the three years, vs the 12 proposed. So
    that looks fair. Both National and Labour are proposing spending on roads. I would suggest that Labour will consider roads to be more cycle and bus lanes rather than vehicle lanes.

    So, when are the EV user going to pay their part. Surely they can start to
    pay ther share as EV are now all the rage, they have got a grip on the folks thoughts.

    EV are heavier than ICE vehicles, so they do more damage to the road. Heavy vehicles pay a higher rate of road user chargers, and thus should EV users.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Aug 17 16:05:19 2023
    On 17 Aug 2023 02:34:04 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951731/live-government-says-fuel-tax-will-increase-to-fund-new-transport-projects-fill-potholes


    "The Government says it needs more money for its transport projects,
    as it plans new highway and bus projects.

    In the Government’s new land transport plan, Transport Minister David
    Parker proposed raising the fuel tax by 12 cents a litre over the next
    three years. The hike would be staggered in 2 cent and then 4 cent
    increases. Road user charges would also increase."

    With inflation at 6% and tax being half of cost of petrol we have 9% of
    $3.00 or 27 cents increase after the three years, vs the 12 proposed. So
    that looks fair. Both National and Labour are proposing spending on roads. I >would suggest that Labour will consider roads to be more cycle and bus lanes >rather than vehicle lanes.

    So, when are the EV user going to pay their part. Surely they can start to >pay ther share as EV are now all the rage, they have got a grip on the folks >thoughts.

    EV are heavier than ICE vehicles, so they do more damage to the road. Heavy >vehicles pay a higher rate of road user chargers, and thus should EV users.

    I have no problem with EVs being subject to RUCs.

    We have a problem that taxes on road transport (petrol excise, RUCs,
    etc) is paid into the National Land Transport Fund. Details here
    (scroll down to 'Investment by the numbers'):

    https://tinyurl.com/4t2m7snz

    TLDR: Road taxes fund many non-roading projects. Increased road
    maintenance costs could be funded from existing funding provided
    non-roading funding is reduced.

    The obvious solution is to look at how transport is funded and make
    changes that see road taxes used for road maintenance, with other
    Transport projects funded from alternative sources.




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    Crash McBash

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Aug 17 13:24:43 2023
    On Thursday, 17 August 2023 at 16:04:56 UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    On 17 Aug 2023 02:34:04 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951731/live-government-says-fuel-tax-will-increase-to-fund-new-transport-projects-fill-potholes


    "The Government says it needs more money for its transport projects,
    as it plans new highway and bus projects.

    In the Government’s new land transport plan, Transport Minister David >Parker proposed raising the fuel tax by 12 cents a litre over the next >three years. The hike would be staggered in 2 cent and then 4 cent >increases. Road user charges would also increase."

    With inflation at 6% and tax being half of cost of petrol we have 9% of >$3.00 or 27 cents increase after the three years, vs the 12 proposed. So >that looks fair. Both National and Labour are proposing spending on roads. I
    would suggest that Labour will consider roads to be more cycle and bus lanes
    rather than vehicle lanes.

    So, when are the EV user going to pay their part. Surely they can start to >pay ther share as EV are now all the rage, they have got a grip on the folks
    thoughts.

    EV are heavier than ICE vehicles, so they do more damage to the road. Heavy >vehicles pay a higher rate of road user chargers, and thus should EV users. I have no problem with EVs being subject to RUCs.

    We have a problem that taxes on road transport (petrol excise, RUCs,
    etc) is paid into the National Land Transport Fund. Details here
    (scroll down to 'Investment by the numbers'):

    https://tinyurl.com/4t2m7snz

    TLDR: Road taxes fund many non-roading projects. Increased road
    maintenance costs could be funded from existing funding provided
    non-roading funding is reduced.

    The obvious solution is to look at how transport is funded and make
    changes that see road taxes used for road maintenance, with other
    Transport projects funded from alternative sources.




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    Crash McBash

    Yep, tax the fuck out of fuel and mileage by all means, but only if it is 100% put back into well selected and designed roading projects. Absolutely not into cycleways and public transport. Those should not be funded by vehicles and if deemed a necessary
    public good should be funded out of general taxation.

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Aug 18 10:39:10 2023
    On 17/08/23 14:34, Gordon wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951731/live-government-says-fuel-tax-will-increase-to-fund-new-transport-projects-fill-potholes


    "The Government says it needs more money for its transport projects,
    as it plans new highway and bus projects.

    In the Government’s new land transport plan, Transport Minister David Parker proposed raising the fuel tax by 12 cents a litre over the next
    three years. The hike would be staggered in 2 cent and then 4 cent
    increases. Road user charges would also increase."

    With inflation at 6% and tax being half of cost of petrol we have 9% of
    $3.00 or 27 cents increase after the three years, vs the 12 proposed. So
    that looks fair. Both National and Labour are proposing spending on roads. I would suggest that Labour will consider roads to be more cycle and bus lanes rather than vehicle lanes.

    So, when are the EV user going to pay their part. Surely they can start to pay ther share as EV are now all the rage, they have got a grip on the folks thoughts.

    EV are heavier than ICE vehicles, so they do more damage to the road. Heavy vehicles pay a higher rate of road user chargers, and thus should EV users.


    EV's are exempt from road user charges. Free riding rich pricks who got subsidised into their boondoggle.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Aug 18 13:27:12 2023
    On Fri, 18 Aug 2023 10:39:10 +1200, greybeard <nobody@nowhere.invalid>
    wrote:

    On 17/08/23 14:34, Gordon wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300951731/live-government-says-fuel-tax-will-increase-to-fund-new-transport-projects-fill-potholes


    "The Government says it needs more money for its transport projects,
    as it plans new highway and bus projects.

    In the Government’s new land transport plan, Transport Minister David
    Parker proposed raising the fuel tax by 12 cents a litre over the next
    three years. The hike would be staggered in 2 cent and then 4 cent
    increases. Road user charges would also increase."

    With inflation at 6% and tax being half of cost of petrol we have 9% of
    $3.00 or 27 cents increase after the three years, vs the 12 proposed. So
    that looks fair. Both National and Labour are proposing spending on roads. I >> would suggest that Labour will consider roads to be more cycle and bus lanes >> rather than vehicle lanes.

    So, when are the EV user going to pay their part. Surely they can start to >> pay ther share as EV are now all the rage, they have got a grip on the folks >> thoughts.

    EV are heavier than ICE vehicles, so they do more damage to the road. Heavy >> vehicles pay a higher rate of road user chargers, and thus should EV users.


    EV's are exempt from road user charges. Free riding rich pricks who got >subsidised into their boondoggle.

    I agree that EVs should be paying road user charges. I have been
    advocating for some time that we adopt a system that would take into
    account the level of emissions, the weight of the vehicle and wheel configuration, and distance traveled. Some could be paid through a
    different registration fee, some through fuel charges, and some
    through road user charges.

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