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  • Yup, a real mess.

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 20:01:15 2023
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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government, now apparently seeing the truth.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Aug 15 09:20:01 2023
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government, now >apparently seeing the truth.

    O'Brien has simply put into words what others have also said and which
    Labour have no possible answer to. It would just be possible to
    justify a u-turn on policy under Ardern's leadership but incredibly
    Chippy thinks it is OK to u-turn on something he himself previously
    ruled out. There is nothing in the Labour GST announcement that
    justifies the u-turn.


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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Aug 15 00:46:49 2023
    On 2023-08-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government, now
    apparently seeing the truth.

    It does appear that the oppsition is starting to fire up on the task it is given by being in oppsition.

    It does seem that the PM, has got irratated publicly by the exposure of the mistake. The correct thing to do is to acknowlege the yje error pubicly and then, behind closed doors have a frank and meanigful discussion to get the matter sorted.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Aug 15 02:03:03 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-08-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government, >>now
    apparently seeing the truth.

    It does appear that the oppsition is starting to fire up on the task it is >given by being in oppsition.

    It does seem that the PM, has got irratated publicly by the exposure of the >mistake. The correct thing to do is to acknowlege the yje error pubicly and >then, behind closed doors have a frank and meanigful discussion to get the >matter sorted.
    He is very irritated and so is Robertson - calling a fellow MP a liar is too far and he should apologise but won't - ministers in this government don't do apology.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Aug 14 19:17:34 2023
    On Tuesday, August 15, 2023 at 2:03:06 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-08-14, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government,
    now
    apparently seeing the truth.

    It does appear that the oppsition is starting to fire up on the task it is >given by being in oppsition.

    It does seem that the PM, has got irratated publicly by the exposure of the >mistake. The correct thing to do is to acknowlege the yje error pubicly and >then, behind closed doors have a frank and meanigful discussion to get the >matter sorted.
    He is very irritated and so is Robertson - calling a fellow MP a liar is too far and he should apologise but won't - ministers in this government don't do
    apology.
    Ministers in this government don't do much except talk, eat, shit and sleep!

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Aug 15 14:44:50 2023
    On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 02:03:03 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-08-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government, >>>now
    apparently seeing the truth.

    It does appear that the oppsition is starting to fire up on the task it is >>given by being in oppsition.

    It does seem that the PM, has got irratated publicly by the exposure of the >>mistake. The correct thing to do is to acknowlege the yje error pubicly and >>then, behind closed doors have a frank and meanigful discussion to get the >>matter sorted.
    He is very irritated and so is Robertson - calling a fellow MP a liar is too >far and he should apologise but won't - ministers in this government don't do >apology.

    To be fair, Robertson called Willis a liar. While both are MPs I
    don't think either would consider the other a 'fellow'. I found this
    article (dated February 2019) on the conduct of MPs (including
    accusations of lying) informative:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018683551/all-honourable-call-no-mp-a-liar




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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Tue Aug 15 03:56:13 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Tue, 15 Aug 2023 02:03:03 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-08-14, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/300949957/tova-obrien-labours-gst-own-goal-the-gnarliest-weve-seen-all-fifa-womens-world-cup
    An opinion piece from one of the staunchest supporters of this government, >>>>now
    apparently seeing the truth.

    It does appear that the oppsition is starting to fire up on the task it is >>>given by being in oppsition.

    It does seem that the PM, has got irratated publicly by the exposure of the >>>mistake. The correct thing to do is to acknowlege the yje error pubicly and >>>then, behind closed doors have a frank and meanigful discussion to get the >>>matter sorted.
    He is very irritated and so is Robertson - calling a fellow MP a liar is too >>far and he should apologise but won't - ministers in this government don't do >>apology.

    To be fair, Robertson called Willis a liar. While both are MPs I
    don't think either would consider the other a 'fellow'. I found this
    article (dated February 2019) on the conduct of MPs (including
    accusations of lying) informative:

    https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/the-house/audio/2018683551/all-honourable-call-no-mp-a-liar

    For fellow, perhaps use colleague. They are both representing their employers and as such maybe a little better than liar could be used.
    Churchill once accused someone of a terminological inexactitude, a euphamism perhaps but less blunt than liar.
    However I could also live with all politicians are liars but some less so than others.


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