• You just can't trust Labours words!

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 12 21:24:57 2023
    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sun Aug 13 21:41:37 2023
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april

    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 05:36:05 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left whinge partys!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 13 05:20:07 2023
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by National.
    Prove it Rich!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Aug 13 20:18:33 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. >>Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another >>left whinge liar!
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april

    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.
    Well actually, in April Hipkins did rule it out, and now he has changed his mind.
    Funny what desperation will do to people, eh?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Aug 14 12:16:46 2023
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left whinge partys!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html

    That article is dated April 18th 2023, so not last week. It does
    indicate though that the Labour party today has a leader who is
    clearly desperate enough to be re-elected as to adopt policies he
    previously dismissed.

    This looks exceedingly good to Labour opponents such as me. They are
    adopting bad policy (GST exemptions) because they perceive this to be
    popular. This makes them weak when they cannot find good policy that
    fits the popularity requirement. This is desperation personified.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Crash on Sun Aug 13 20:28:54 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 12:16:23 PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left whinge partys!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html
    That article is dated April 18th 2023, so not last week. It does
    indicate though that the Labour party today has a leader who is
    clearly desperate enough to be re-elected as to adopt policies he
    previously dismissed.

    This looks exceedingly good to Labour opponents such as me. They are adopting bad policy (GST exemptions) because they perceive this to be popular. This makes them weak when they cannot find good policy that
    fits the popularity requirement. This is desperation personified.


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    Correct as usual Crash :")
    However as so typical of Rich he calls the truth a lie in his usual desperate way, then disappears back under his rock to sulk because he's been, as usual, caught out in a lie :)

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Mon Aug 14 20:36:47 2023
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left whinge partys!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html
    Thanks for that reference John Bowes - I see where you went wrong.
    Relying on a shonky news source like Newshub is always risky, but when
    you factor in the incompetent Ryan Bridges, a young self-opinionated
    arrogant snot looking to be the next Hosking, the danger increases significantly. I don't know if you listened to it, but after a while
    of attacking Hipkins on false premises and demanding apologies for
    keeping the country running, workers in jobs and companies surviving
    during covid, he got to his presumptions about policies. He started
    with a little rant about cutting GST on vegetables, but then moved to
    asking why it could not be implemented quickly - possibly not
    realising that a policy decision is not he same as getting it
    implemented. So Hipkins answered his question about why it could not
    be implemented immediately by saying that a lot would need to be done
    and a lot of programmes changed, so don't expect it to happen quickly,
    and certainly not before the election; that is not an implementation
    that is on their short term programme. Bridges then moved on, but
    when the video was put up on the website the sub-editor clearly did
    not listen carefully and put the headline they wanted rather than what
    was actually in the interview - they really are quite sloppy really.

    So I don't blame you for getting confused - you clearly did not bother
    to check by listening to the interview.

    Now having said all that I think Hipkins was being a bit cute too - he
    merely answered the question he was actually asked, but it was
    probably clear to him that Bridges was out of his depth; after the
    disrespect Bridges showed though I do not blame him for just answering
    the questions he was asked.

    So yes I see the headline, but listen to what the Prime Minister
    actually said, and don't be misled by cheap and misleading headlines.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 03:21:54 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 8:42:11 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left whinge partys!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html
    Thanks for that reference John Bowes - I see where you went wrong.
    Relying on a shonky news source like Newshub is always risky, but when
    you factor in the incompetent Ryan Bridges, a young self-opinionated arrogant snot looking to be the next Hosking, the danger increases significantly. I don't know if you listened to it, but after a while
    of attacking Hipkins on false premises and demanding apologies for
    keeping the country running, workers in jobs and companies surviving
    during covid, he got to his presumptions about policies. He started
    with a little rant about cutting GST on vegetables, but then moved to
    asking why it could not be implemented quickly - possibly not
    realising that a policy decision is not he same as getting it
    implemented. So Hipkins answered his question about why it could not
    be implemented immediately by saying that a lot would need to be done
    and a lot of programmes changed, so don't expect it to happen quickly,
    and certainly not before the election; that is not an implementation
    that is on their short term programme. Bridges then moved on, but
    when the video was put up on the website the sub-editor clearly did
    not listen carefully and put the headline they wanted rather than what
    was actually in the interview - they really are quite sloppy really.

    So I don't blame you for getting confused - you clearly did not bother
    to check by listening to the interview.

    Now having said all that I think Hipkins was being a bit cute too - he merely answered the question he was actually asked, but it was
    probably clear to him that Bridges was out of his depth; after the disrespect Bridges showed though I do not blame him for just answering
    the questions he was asked.

    So yes I see the headline, but listen to what the Prime Minister
    actually said, and don't be misled by cheap and misleading headlines.

    Still waiting for proof of your lie that I lied Rich. This garbage does nothing but demonstrate how far you'll go to avoid the fact that you, like hipkins and Labour are a serial liar!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 14 03:20:03 2023
    On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 8:42:11 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another left whinge liar!

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left whinge partys!
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html
    Thanks for that reference John Bowes - I see where you went wrong.
    Relying on a shonky news source like Newshub is always risky, but when
    you factor in the incompetent Ryan Bridges, a young self-opinionated arrogant snot looking to be the next Hosking, the danger increases significantly. I don't know if you listened to it, but after a while
    of attacking Hipkins on false premises and demanding apologies for
    keeping the country running, workers in jobs and companies surviving
    during covid, he got to his presumptions about policies. He started
    with a little rant about cutting GST on vegetables, but then moved to
    asking why it could not be implemented quickly - possibly not
    realising that a policy decision is not he same as getting it
    implemented. So Hipkins answered his question about why it could not
    be implemented immediately by saying that a lot would need to be done
    and a lot of programmes changed, so don't expect it to happen quickly,
    and certainly not before the election; that is not an implementation
    that is on their short term programme. Bridges then moved on, but
    when the video was put up on the website the sub-editor clearly did
    not listen carefully and put the headline they wanted rather than what
    was actually in the interview - they really are quite sloppy really.

    Nowhere near as slopy as you and your utterly disgusting and desperate Labour party Rich!


    So I don't blame you for getting confused - you clearly did not bother
    to check by listening to the interview.

    Do stop lying Rich!

    Now having said all that I think Hipkins was being a bit cute too - he merely answered the question he was actually asked, but it was
    probably clear to him that Bridges was out of his depth; after the disrespect Bridges showed though I do not blame him for just answering
    the questions he was asked.

    Now you're being cute Rich. Lying to make nother serial liar look good. Typical of liars like you Rich!
    btw respect is earned as you've been told before more than once! Hipkins has to earn respect because he hasn't earned any since he went into parliament. Probably why you lie to defend him!


    So yes I see the headline, but listen to what the Prime Minister
    actually said, and don't be misled by cheap and misleading headlines.
    You can bullshit to your hearts content Rich. HIPKINS LIED! He's just like you incapable of accepting any truth that doesn't fit his nasty little Marxist agenda!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Aug 14 19:59:31 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. >>> >Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another
    left whinge liar!


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left >>whinge partys! >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html
    Thanks for that reference John Bowes - I see where you went wrong.
    Relying on a shonky news source like Newshub is always risky, but when
    you factor in the incompetent Ryan Bridges, a young self-opinionated
    arrogant snot looking to be the next Hosking, the danger increases >significantly. I don't know if you listened to it, but after a while
    of attacking Hipkins on false premises and demanding apologies for
    keeping the country running, workers in jobs and companies surviving
    during covid, he got to his presumptions about policies. He started
    with a little rant about cutting GST on vegetables, but then moved to
    asking why it could not be implemented quickly - possibly not
    realising that a policy decision is not he same as getting it
    implemented. So Hipkins answered his question about why it could not
    be implemented immediately by saying that a lot would need to be done
    and a lot of programmes changed, so don't expect it to happen quickly,
    and certainly not before the election; that is not an implementation
    that is on their short term programme. Bridges then moved on, but
    when the video was put up on the website the sub-editor clearly did
    not listen carefully and put the headline they wanted rather than what
    was actually in the interview - they really are quite sloppy really.

    So I don't blame you for getting confused - you clearly did not bother
    to check by listening to the interview.

    Now having said all that I think Hipkins was being a bit cute too - he
    merely answered the question he was actually asked, but it was
    probably clear to him that Bridges was out of his depth; after the
    disrespect Bridges showed though I do not blame him for just answering
    the questions he was asked.

    So yes I see the headline, but listen to what the Prime Minister
    actually said, and don't be misled by cheap and misleading headlines.
    Fact. In April Hipkins ruled it out, his words not mine.
    Now it is in. A chamge of policy for purely cynical reasons.
    All else above is spin and nastiness form you.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Aug 15 09:11:16 2023
    On Mon, 14 Aug 2023 19:59:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sun, 13 Aug 2023 05:36:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:47:01?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:24:57 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Last week Hipkins stated they wouldn't take GST off fresh fruit and veg. >>>> >Today he proved that he's like his little cheerleader Rich80105. Just another
    left whinge liar!


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132734668/labour-to-cut-gst-on-fresh-and-frozen-fruit-and-vegetables-from-april
    You lie, John Bowes - he carefully did not comment on the claims by
    National.

    As usual Rich. The lie is YOURS! Your as big a bastard as your darling left >>>whinge partys! >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/04/prime-minister-chris-hipkins-rules-out-cutting-gst-from-fresh-food.html
    Thanks for that reference John Bowes - I see where you went wrong.
    Relying on a shonky news source like Newshub is always risky, but when
    you factor in the incompetent Ryan Bridges, a young self-opinionated >>arrogant snot looking to be the next Hosking, the danger increases >>significantly. I don't know if you listened to it, but after a while
    of attacking Hipkins on false premises and demanding apologies for
    keeping the country running, workers in jobs and companies surviving
    during covid, he got to his presumptions about policies. He started
    with a little rant about cutting GST on vegetables, but then moved to >>asking why it could not be implemented quickly - possibly not
    realising that a policy decision is not he same as getting it
    implemented. So Hipkins answered his question about why it could not
    be implemented immediately by saying that a lot would need to be done
    and a lot of programmes changed, so don't expect it to happen quickly,
    and certainly not before the election; that is not an implementation
    that is on their short term programme. Bridges then moved on, but
    when the video was put up on the website the sub-editor clearly did
    not listen carefully and put the headline they wanted rather than what
    was actually in the interview - they really are quite sloppy really.

    So I don't blame you for getting confused - you clearly did not bother
    to check by listening to the interview.

    Now having said all that I think Hipkins was being a bit cute too - he >>merely answered the question he was actually asked, but it was
    probably clear to him that Bridges was out of his depth; after the >>disrespect Bridges showed though I do not blame him for just answering
    the questions he was asked.

    So yes I see the headline, but listen to what the Prime Minister
    actually said, and don't be misled by cheap and misleading headlines.
    Fact. In April Hipkins ruled it out, his words not mine.
    Now it is in. A chamge of policy for purely cynical reasons.
    All else above is spin and nastiness form you.

    Correct Tony. Next Chippy will work out how unpopular the water
    reforms legislation really is, and promise to amend it to include all
    the requirements that the Taxpayers Union suggested legislation meets
    ;-)


    --
    Crash McBash

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