On 12 Aug 2023 22:20:23 GMT, Gordon <
Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-08-12, Willy Nilly <willynilly@qwert.com> wrote:
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/495660/what-we-know-about-the-covid-variant-eg-5-dubbed-eris
The article is the usual stupid Covid tripe, with the usual stupid
admonition at the end to get your covid vaccination. But the photo of
"a healthcare worker member draws up a syringe" of "COMIRNATY" is
blatant fakery. There is no "Comirnaty" in existence. Comirnaty is
the Pfizer FDA-approved "vaccine" for which (as part of the approval)
Pfizer is liable for injuries caused by the product. Therefore Pfizer
does not make any, they make only the EUA (emergency use authority)
product which gives them blanket immunity from any injury claims. The
photo is fake -- mind you, many media photos are fake -- but this one
*screams* "FAKE".
Our caring sharing government uses the term "Comirnaty" routinely in
its description of the Pfizer jab. Are they stupid, or just think we
are stupid? Probably both.
From the article:
"What we have seen overseas since this new variant emerged is it appears
to have caused a slight rise of cases in the US and Europe. That would
be one impact we might see in New Zealand.
"We're not seeing that impact at this stage, because we're actually at
the lowest point we've been to since Omicron arrived in New Zealand."
Well, Michael Baker, this has already happened.
Average daily case numbers for Week ending:
16 July 619
23 July 537
30 July 515
6 August 664
So yes the number of cases was reducing, but went up in that one week.
We will find out the week ending 13 August in the next few days. So
while not confirmed, his prediction may well be correct. Certainly we
were at the lowest point since Omicron arrived.
The whole article is a Pizer infomerical, if such a thing exists.
I don't see it that way. I agree that getting New Zealanders
inoculated was a major cause of our very good Covid results, but it
was not the only precaution - the care taken with border activities;
the enabling of workers to stay at home and not infect others was also significant.
With the hind sight we have the cost benefit ratio is not positive. Excess >deaths are increasing still all over the world and still only a handfull of >people are talking about this. Something is going on.
Indeed the loosening of restrictions was always expected to give rise
to more cases - and the statistic you refer to may well be instructive
- see
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&facet=none&country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
Looking at the central estimates for the cumulative excess deaths per
100,000 people during Covid we see:
USA 397
UK 354
Australia 122
New Zealand 10
From
https://covid19.who.int/table , NZ deaths total 3229, so if we
had the same experience as the USA we would have had 3229*397/10
deaths, or 128,191 deaths. I suspect if we had experienced nearly
125,000 more deaths there would have been a lot more concerns . . .
Our vaccination rate from that last link is 254.08 total doses
administered per 100 population. That is lower than Australia
(267.64), but higher than the UK (222.8) or the USA (202.08).
Certainly higher vaccination rates generally gave lower deaths, but
the comparison with Australia shows that while important, vaccination
is not the total reason why we have done so well.
The total cost is very difficult to assess - what do you base your
statement that "the cost benefit ratio is not positive" on?
Then we have this from 6 months ago
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/484724/new-bivalent-covid-19-vaccine-booster-to-be-available-to-over-30s
Also
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/483900/covid-19-outbreak-probe-exposes-failings-in-contact-tracing-within-pacific-community
This can be seen as a Government fail, or I told you so.
The August outbreak was big one. Caused in part by the Government not >listening and having a one size fits all approach.
That last article refers to contact tracing in 2020 and 2021 in
relation to a very small section of our community - yes we could have
done better, but it is some comfort that we still had vaccination
rates higher than many countries. Contact tracing was certainly a
valuable tool; I am pleased that you see the efforts to isolate those
with Covid from infecting others, and others from being infected were
valuable; after vaccination rates the work to reduce infection from
those with the disease was indeed important.
Making newer vaccines available is also important, as it is a proven
method of reducing the number of cases, and I am pleased you agree on
the importance of encouraging those most at risk to maintain
vaccinated status.
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