Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

YUou are a really obnoxious little fool.
Can you ever post without sarcasm? No I suspect not.
Your government is hopeless at delivery and estimates, why would you expect the opposition to be better?

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https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

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On 2023-08-10, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Probably a great deal better than an Labour folk.

Try playing the ball and not the person.

The increase in the cost is a minor point at this stage of the project. The important part is that National wishes to start it.

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Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Probably a great deal better than an Labour folk.

Try playing the ball and not the person.

He doesn't know how to do that.

The increase in the cost is a minor point at this stage of the project. The >important part is that National wishes to start it.

Exactly.

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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:33:47 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Thank you for finally admitting the reason Labour has constant cost over runs with it's projects. But we all knew Labours lack of financial support meant they couldn't hire decent planners and analysts to cost their many failed projects! But thanks for
confirming it Rich :)

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 04:27:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . . >>>>
With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Probably a great deal better than an Labour folk.

Try playing the ball and not the person.

He doesn't know how to do that.

The increase in the cost is a minor point at this stage of the project. The >>>important part is that National wishes to start it.

Exactly.

Even more important is that this is a project National propose to
start spending money on next year, and that the understatement of
expected cost is only in respect of a small element of the total
roading project - and they have given no information as to how they
would budget for this expenditure. .

And neither did Labour in 2017 or 2020 for any of their major, but in every case failed, projects.
That is just what politicians do (and so do you of course).

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On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:33:47?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Thank you for finally admitting the reason Labour has constant cost over runs with it's projects. But we all knew Labours lack of financial support meant they couldn't hire decent planners and analysts to cost their many failed projects! But thanks for

confirming it Rich :)

The Government has Departments and a robust budget process to develop consistent assumptions for projected project costs, and extensive
reports provide much detail of both assumptions and data used. The
article makes it clear that the Opposition used such data and
questions in parliament and under the OIA to derive information which
they then mis-used by not applying simple adjustments such as the
reality of inflation over the last year or so.

The article covers the reality that most major projects have costs
that reflect changes in prices for components of projects, and that
actual costs will also depend on events that are out of control of the government. Most roading projects under National ran well over the
original budget for just those reasons, but public/ private
partnerships are noted for being more than usually susceptible to such increases.

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On Thu, 10 Aug 2023 04:27:09 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

On 2023-08-10, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Probably a great deal better than an Labour folk.

Try playing the ball and not the person.

He doesn't know how to do that.

The increase in the cost is a minor point at this stage of the project. The >>important part is that National wishes to start it.

Exactly.

Even more important is that this is a project National propose to
start spending money on next year, and that the understatement of
expected cost is only in respect of a small element of the total
roading project - and they have given no information as to how they
would budget for this expenditure. .

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:33:47?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Thank you for finally admitting the reason Labour has constant cost over runs >>with it's projects. But we all knew Labours lack of financial support meant >>they couldn't hire decent planners and analysts to cost their many failed >>projects! But thanks for confirming it Rich :)

The Government has Departments and a robust budget process to develop >consistent assumptions for projected project costs, and extensive
reports provide much detail of both assumptions and data used. The
article makes it clear that the Opposition used such data and
questions in parliament and under the OIA to derive information which
they then mis-used by not applying simple adjustments such as the
reality of inflation over the last year or so.

The article covers the reality that most major projects have costs
that reflect changes in prices for components of projects, and that
actual costs will also depend on events that are out of control of the >government. Most roading projects under National ran well over the
original budget for just those reasons, but public/ private
partnerships are noted for being more than usually susceptible to such >increases.

Why post something so silly as that.
Waffle or rhetoric, your choice but accurate and logical it is not.

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On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 5:22:33 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

On Wed, 9 Aug 2023 21:22:30 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 1:33:47?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

Thank you for finally admitting the reason Labour has constant cost over runs with it's projects. But we all knew Labours lack of financial support meant they couldn't hire decent planners and analysts to cost their many failed projects! But thanks

for confirming it Rich :)

The Government has Departments and a robust budget process to develop consistent assumptions for projected project costs, and extensive
reports provide much detail of both assumptions and data used. The
article makes it clear that the Opposition used such data and
questions in parliament and under the OIA to derive information which
they then mis-used by not applying simple adjustments such as the
reality of inflation over the last year or so.

What a load of politically inspired crap! If you weren't lying Rich Labour wouldn't have had the budgetting failures they've had over the last six years!

The article covers the reality that most major projects have costs
that reflect changes in prices for components of projects, and that
actual costs will also depend on events that are out of control of the government. Most roading projects under National ran well over the
original budget for just those reasons, but public/ private
partnerships are noted for being more than usually susceptible to such increases.

I noticed that Rich and still can't figure just how far out of touch most of Labours projects finish up. That is the ones they don't just pour billions into before dropping them as unaffordable!

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On 10/08/23 13:28, Rich80105 wrote:

https://www.newsroom.co.nz/pro/nationals-road-costings-dont-include-inflation

Believing that the East-West link costs would not have changed since
2015

Will Willis take responsibility or claim it was all Luxon's idea . . .

With the millions they have received in donations, you would think
they could have afforded some professional advice - but perhaps Luxon
feels he gets good enough advice from his hairdresser . . .

The big difference is this project is fully consented and the design
finished; i.e truly 'shovel ready'.
Yes the costs will need updating, but the original costs were in the
budget and it was lieboor which cancelled the project and reallocated
the funding to waste-full BS like the Provincial Growth Fund. ie
handouts for cronies and brown bludgers.

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