• Re: Good news

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Jul 31 13:48:09 2023
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 31 02:13:34 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: >https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) that this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 31 01:42:42 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Jul 31 14:37:12 2023
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: >>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to
    return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring
    roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.

    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government
    parties), see:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be
    funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking
    around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 31 03:03:51 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) >>that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to
    return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring
    roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.
    Wrong again. National today announced a return to the roads of national significance. It was not the whole announcement but it absolutely was part of it. I suggest you read about it again.
    Are they out of touch, a resounding no. Is the government out of touch - bloody obvious that they are.

    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government
    parties), see:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/
    Left wing propaganda.

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be
    funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking
    around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)?
    Ask them you fool.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 31 03:43:14 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:03:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events >>>>>have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) >>>>that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to >>>return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring
    roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.
    Wrong again. National today announced a return to the roads of national >>significance. It was not the whole announcement but it absolutely was part of >>it. I suggest you read about it again.
    Are they out of touch, a resounding no. Is the government out of touch - >>bloody
    obvious that they are.
    Well so you assert, but without any evidence . . . in that you are
    very much in line with the National Party . . .
    No I am not. But you get off thinking that way.
    I can't help your inability to follow the daily news but it was on-line this morning at 8am and still readily available. Lookm it up and stop whining.



    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government >>>parties), see: >>>https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/
    Left wing propaganda.
    Indeed, but did they get anything wrong?
    They are a Labour party shill.

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be >>>funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking >>>around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)?
    Ask them you fool.
    They never give answers to such questions - why don't you try? Your
    very question is an admission that they have not supported their
    headline only announcement with any indication that they have given it
    much thought other than attraction to their supporters . . .
    They announced it this morning, read it or piss off.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Jul 31 15:45:35 2023
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:43:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:03:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>>>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events >>>>>>have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) >>>>>that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to >>>>return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring >>>>roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.
    Wrong again. National today announced a return to the roads of national >>>significance. It was not the whole announcement but it absolutely was part of
    it. I suggest you read about it again.
    Are they out of touch, a resounding no. Is the government out of touch - >>>bloody
    obvious that they are.
    Well so you assert, but without any evidence . . . in that you are
    very much in line with the National Party . . .
    No I am not. But you get off thinking that way.
    I can't help your inability to follow the daily news but it was on-line this >morning at 8am and still readily available. Lookm it up and stop whining.



    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government >>>>parties), see: >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/
    Left wing propaganda.
    Indeed, but did they get anything wrong?
    They are a Labour party shill.
    They certainly appear to support the Labour and Green parties; my
    question was whether in this particular case they said anything that
    was not true? You really cannot follow simple arguments, can you
    Tony?


    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be >>>>funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking >>>>around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)? >>>Ask them you fool.
    They never give answers to such questions - why don't you try? Your
    very question is an admission that they have not supported their
    headline only announcement with any indication that they have given it
    much thought other than attraction to their supporters . . .
    They announced it this morning, read it or piss off.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 30 20:56:13 2023
    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 1:52:35 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    Yup! Labour finally manage to complete several roads started under National. then so typical of them, claimed credit for them. Though they're blaming National for the pot holes rather than making sure they're repaored in a timely manner. Labour: good at
    talk, useless at resukts!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 30 20:58:21 2023
    On Monday, July 31, 2023 at 3:49:58 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:43:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:03:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>>>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events >>>>>>have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even)
    that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to >>>>return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas >>>>of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately >>>>underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring >>>>roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch - >>>>a resounding yes.
    Wrong again. National today announced a return to the roads of national >>>significance. It was not the whole announcement but it absolutely was part of
    it. I suggest you read about it again.
    Are they out of touch, a resounding no. Is the government out of touch - >>>bloody
    obvious that they are.
    Well so you assert, but without any evidence . . . in that you are
    very much in line with the National Party . . .
    No I am not. But you get off thinking that way.
    I can't help your inability to follow the daily news but it was on-line this
    morning at 8am and still readily available. Lookm it up and stop whining. >>


    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government >>>>parties), see: >>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/
    Left wing propaganda.
    Indeed, but did they get anything wrong?
    They are a Labour party shill.
    They certainly appear to support the Labour and Green parties; my
    question was whether in this particular case they said anything that
    was not true? You really cannot follow simple arguments, can you
    Tony?

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be >>>>funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking >>>>around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)? >>>Ask them you fool.
    They never give answers to such questions - why don't you try? Your
    very question is an admission that they have not supported their >>headline only announcement with any indication that they have given it >>much thought other than attraction to their supporters . . .
    They announced it this morning, read it or piss off.
    Appear to support? That like you claiming you're not politically biased Red Rich just another lie following the lies you've been pushing in this thread!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Jul 31 15:24:03 2023
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:03:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) >>>that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to
    return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring
    roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.
    Wrong again. National today announced a return to the roads of national >significance. It was not the whole announcement but it absolutely was part of >it. I suggest you read about it again.
    Are they out of touch, a resounding no. Is the government out of touch - bloody
    obvious that they are.
    Well so you assert, but without any evidence . . . in that you are
    very much in line with the National Party . . .



    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government >>parties), see: >>https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/
    Left wing propaganda.
    Indeed, but did they get anything wrong?

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be
    funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking >>around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)?
    Ask them you fool.
    They never give answers to such questions - why don't you try? Your
    very question is an admission that they have not supported their
    headline only announcement with any indication that they have given it
    much thought other than attraction to their supporters . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 31 04:23:57 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:43:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 03:03:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>>>>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events >>>>>>>have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today >>>>>>even)
    that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to >>>>>return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas >>>>>of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately >>>>>underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring >>>>>roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch - >>>>>a resounding yes.
    Wrong again. National today announced a return to the roads of national >>>>significance. It was not the whole announcement but it absolutely was part >>>>of
    it. I suggest you read about it again.
    Are they out of touch, a resounding no. Is the government out of touch - >>>>bloody
    obvious that they are.
    Well so you assert, but without any evidence . . . in that you are
    very much in line with the National Party . . .
    No I am not. But you get off thinking that way.
    I can't help your inability to follow the daily news but it was on-line this >>morning at 8am and still readily available. Lookm it up and stop whining.



    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government >>>>>parties), see: >>>>>https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/
    Left wing propaganda.
    Indeed, but did they get anything wrong?
    They are a Labour party shill.
    They certainly appear to support the Labour and Green parties; my
    question was whether in this particular case they said anything that
    was not true? You really cannot follow simple arguments, can you
    Tony?
    Yes I can. But you are far too simple for me to follow, treatment is available. A shill is unworthy of my attention.


    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be >>>>>funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking >>>>>around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)? >>>>Ask them you fool.
    They never give answers to such questions - why don't you try? Your
    very question is an admission that they have not supported their
    headline only announcement with any indication that they have given it >>>much thought other than attraction to their supporters . . .
    They announced it this morning, read it or piss off.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Jul 31 16:56:17 2023
    On 31 Jul 2023 04:24:33 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-31, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have
    priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well:
    https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Well that is a real rabbit warren. Keeping up is only possible if one acts
    in a crazy way.


    Do keep up, Tony!

    And you to Rich. When on a high horse make sure you are right.

    The National RONS announcement was more about we need more RONS for the >improvement of the country. RONS are an investment and will allow the
    country to have an improved economy.

    They appear to have not been properly costed, and I question the
    priority for a 4 lane road to Tauranga ahead of restoring transport
    through the storm damaged areas in the East Coast, Coromandel and
    Auckland. Then we are told that they have underestimated the cost . .

    Today we have also learned that the government is getting towards an
    agreement of buying out properties that cannot be rebuilt in storm
    damaged areas in a cost sharing programme with the local councils.
    That will not be cheap, but it is putting people ahead of a
    nice-to-have road that does not appear to really be needed . . .

    Not all investments are worthwhile - we have not seen any cost/benefit analysis, but enabling people to have somewhere to live is a
    no-brainer as a high priority.

    Quite frankly the last 6 years have show inclination to do this. Lets do >this, well the ex-PM said it so another failure.

    Labour should be sticking to its roots and helping the poor and huddled >masses not thinking and trying what comes off the top of their head.
    Clearly you have not been listening - that is what Labour have been
    doing!


    Sure National may not care about the huddled masses but the infrastructure
    is needed. That is way we need the other side every so often. To get
    balance.
    So tell us - why do we need a 4 lane highway from Whangarei to
    Tauranga?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Mon Jul 31 16:59:51 2023
    On 31 Jul 2023 04:31:24 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-31, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to
    return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring
    roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.

    To a woke point of view they are. Is an areoplane likely to go on the road
    to its destination?

    Some of the 2009 RONS have been built. It is time for the web page to be >updated, yes?

    It has been updated at least twice - I gave a reference to one of
    those updated pages. It is instructive to look back and see how much
    better the updated plans are than that original page.


    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government
    parties), see:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be
    funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking
    around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)?

    RONS are a long term plan. Something to be built when we have the money to
    do so. Long term planning is something woke folks are darn near in capable >of.

    National appear to see RONS as their priority for as soon as possible.
    The news today appears to be underfunded by around $2.8 billion - they
    have used old costings - they may well be assuming that they will be
    privately funded toll roads, but I suspect private equity will
    understand that the required return is most unlikely on those routes.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 31 04:24:33 2023
    On 2023-07-31, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Well that is a real rabbit warren. Keeping up is only possible if one acts
    in a crazy way.


    Do keep up, Tony!

    And you to Rich. When on a high horse make sure you are right.

    The National RONS announcement was more about we need more RONS for the improvement of the country. RONS are an investment and will allow the
    country to have an improved economy.

    Quite frankly the last 6 years have show inclination to do this. Lets do
    this, well the ex-PM said it so another failure.

    Labour should be sticking to its roots and helping the poor and huddled
    masses not thinking and trying what comes off the top of their head.

    Sure National may not care about the huddled masses but the infrastructure
    is needed. That is way we need the other side every so often. To get
    balance.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Jul 31 04:31:24 2023
    On 2023-07-31, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 02:13:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 31 Jul 2023 01:42:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    It looks like these will be back on track soon.
    Excellent news. >>>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2009-12/roads-of-national-significance/
    "Last updated: 6 October 2009"

    A lot has happened since then.

    I suspect repairing roads affected by Cyclones and land slips now have >>>priority, but some of those listed have now been completed.

    This would be better, but I suspect further extreme weather events
    have made some of that redundant now as well: >>>https://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/national-land-transport-programme-nltp/2021-24/

    Do keep up, Tony!
    No it is you that is out of date National announced today (Yes today even) that
    this is back in train when they get elected.
    Do keep up you nasty little turd.

    National did indeed make some announcements today, but it was not to
    return to the 2009 priorities - it was to deliver to donors in areas
    of "National Party" concern, with I suspect deliberately
    underestimates for costs, and ignoring priorities such as restoring
    roads in areas affected by recent storms. Are National out of touch -
    a resounding yes.

    To a woke point of view they are. Is an areoplane likely to go on the road
    to its destination?

    Some of the 2009 RONS have been built. It is time for the web page to be updated, yes?



    For an alternative view (and not necessarily that of the government
    parties), see:
    https://thestandard.org.nz/nationals-latest-policy-moar-roads/

    Also significantly, no indication of how this massive work would be
    funded, and what they would abandon in consequence - are they looking
    around for something to sell off (at high profit to donors as well?)?

    RONS are a long term plan. Something to be built when we have the money to
    do so. Long term planning is something woke folks are darn near in capable
    of.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Tue Dec 12 01:36:59 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://grrrgraphics.com/alex-jones-reinstated-to-x-formally-twitter/?vgo_ee=S7dSUTchquW3HI3r6slSdCAbg%2FF4PWfaiurQcIiyg1q7pLQEaeWy%3AdIb%2Fg2v4nYhCkYX7zLtXgI5vg%2Bk37a6U
    The good news is not about what anybody believes or posts on this X account. We can all hate or like the content, but the good news is that freedom of speech has had a win - Mr Jones, whatever his beliefs (and I have never read what he has written) is entitled to his views and to publish them.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Dec 22 10:09:47 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:24:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/swarbrick-apologises-after-accusing-pm-of-demonstrable-lie-says-she-did-so-at-earliest-convenience/ar-AA1lOsLA?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=936428eef3084351b900fac0481f063e&ei=10
    So maybe there is a thread of decency in the greens, when forced on them. >Pity some commentators here and elsewhere cannot also be so fair.

    It is called following the rules, Tony - her initial statement was
    correct, but the rules of parliament prohibit calling another member a
    liar. I suspect that if she had said that the statement was totally
    untrue it would have passed with little comment; it would have been a
    correct statement, but probably does not infringe house rules. What it
    did do however is give publicity to the inherent deception behind
    statements from this government in general and from CLuxon in
    particular.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Thu Dec 21 20:24:10 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/swarbrick-apologises-after-accusing-pm-of-demonstrable-lie-says-she-did-so-at-earliest-convenience/ar-AA1lOsLA?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=936428eef3084351b900fac0481f063e&ei=10
    So maybe there is a thread of decency in the greens, when forced on them.
    Pity some commentators here and elsewhere cannot also be so fair.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Dec 21 21:47:25 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:24:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/swarbrick-apologises-after-accusing-pm-of-demonstrable-lie-says-she-did-so-at-earliest-convenience/ar-AA1lOsLA?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=936428eef3084351b900fac0481f063e&ei=10
    So maybe there is a thread of decency in the greens, when forced on them. >>Pity some commentators here and elsewhere cannot also be so fair.

    It is called following the rules, Tony
    As I pointed out to you in another thread, is it poor memory or just another part of your nastiness?
    - her initial statement was
    correct
    No proven.
    , but the rules of parliament prohibit calling another member a
    liar. I suspect that if she had said that the statement was totally
    untrue it would have passed with little comment; it would have been a
    correct statement, but probably does not infringe house rules.
    Yeah, yeah ,yeah - we all know that, it is not the rest of us that needs childish lessons.
    What it
    did do however is give publicity to the inherent deception behind
    statements from this government in general and from CLuxon in
    particular.
    Arrant nonsense.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Dec 22 01:52:40 2023
    On 2023-12-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:24:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/swarbrick-apologises-after-accusing-pm-of-demonstrable-lie-says-she-did-so-at-earliest-convenience/ar-AA1lOsLA?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=936428eef3084351b900fac0481f063e&ei=10
    So maybe there is a thread of decency in the greens, when forced on them. >>Pity some commentators here and elsewhere cannot also be so fair.

    It is called following the rules, Tony - her initial statement was
    correct, but the rules of parliament prohibit calling another member a
    liar.

    That is the whole point. She should known, having been a MP in the last
    term. Then she got onto her high horse and rode around the paddock until it
    was clear to her that an apology was warranted.

    Sure the House rule maybe silly, or stupid but they are the rules, and they should be followed.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Dec 22 15:01:34 2023
    On Thu, 21 Dec 2023 20:24:10 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/swarbrick-apologises-after-accusing-pm-of-demonstrable-lie-says-she-did-so-at-earliest-convenience/ar-AA1lOsLA?ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=936428eef3084351b900fac0481f063e&ei=10
    So maybe there is a thread of decency in the greens, when forced on them. >Pity some commentators here and elsewhere cannot also be so fair.

    Yes she accused the PM of Lying, then awaited developments before
    subsequently deciding to 'withdraw and apologise'. Such is the
    theatre of politics.


    --
    Crash McBash

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