Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings,Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is little to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where >to charge your EV, and scooter.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The >entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is little
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where >>to charge your EV, and scooter.
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnother stupid political piece of bullshit from a classic bullshitter! The whole deal has been pushed by imbeciles like Red Rich80105 without bothering to look at the consequences or plan for them! Typical left whinge freedom and women's right haters!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-criticalFrom the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy? Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PM - permits limited what you
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution
that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-criticalThe whole EV campaign in NZ has been a typical Labour balls up! Instead of putting more money into 24/7 energy production they bribed people to buy EV vehicles. That money should have gone into geothermal plants NOT solar and wind that'll start filling
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where to charge your EV, and scooter.
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyWow, you can read!
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The >>entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>little
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where >>>to charge your EV, and scooter.
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are
used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earthYou have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
do you expect in a free market economy?
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him. Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I met him several times).
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution
that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyWow, you can read!
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are
used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him. >Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I >met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution
that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >trhetoric?
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyMy comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should pause the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is obvious and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyWow, you can read!
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. >>>>The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him. >>Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I >>met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article aboutDefinitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and
National. >https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyMy comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should pause
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. >>>>>The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him. >>>Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I >>>met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about
current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and
National. >>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyOf course there is a headlong rush forced partly by governments and lovingly picked up by manufacturers before the supply chain of electricity has been sorted out. And before we have an understanding of the true ecological cost of EVs, which could be at least as high as petrol/diesel vehicles.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyMy comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>pause
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. >>>>>>The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes – >>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man >>>>(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>>>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and
National. >>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Hybrids are also petrol or diesel driven as well - a higher risk using
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyOf course there is a headlong rush forced partly by governments and lovingly >picked up by manufacturers before the supply chain of electricity has been >sorted out. And before we have an understanding of the true ecological cost of >EVs, which could be at least as high as petrol/diesel vehicles.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>>pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes – >>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man >>>>>(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
I didn't say they were more dangerous than petrol of diesel vehicles but those >two are old enough that we know how to manage the risks. Obviously we don't >know how to manage EV risks otherwise we would not be having these fires.
So even someone with no understanding of the technology can see that we have >added some risks and I maintain we have done so at too high a speed. That is so
simple that I am surprised you don't see it (oh, actually I am not all that >surprised).
And hybrids are EVs of course.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>National. >>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyWow, you can read!
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him. >>Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I >>met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about
current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and
National. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings,
scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where >to charge your EV, and scooter.
On 29 Jul 2023 21:49:03 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-criticalRich would love that - anything that causes a mass extinction event gives his poltical masters an opportunity to take more power.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where >>to charge your EV, and scooter.
I have the solution -- switch to nuclear powered EVs and scooters!
Yes, a nuclear fission powered engine in every EV, scooter, and cell
phone. Never needs dangerous charging up -- runs forever. Carbon
neutral, too. Nothing can go wrong!
On 2023-07-30, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Yes Gordon we do. We are fools to listen to the party followers like Rich who have zero uinderstanding of the technology, the risks or the lack of morality involved.
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>>pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making >>>>>>>decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation >>>>>>>challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes – >>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man >>>>>(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no >>>>>surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
EV's just have this habit of all to often starting to burn and the fire is >extremely hard to put out.
Road/rail cartage of dangerous goods have rules around what may be done. The >recent train wreck near Ohio, USA was made worse because the rules were not >being followed.
And yet we just pack the batteries into cars and place then 8000 odd onto
a ship without a second thought.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>National. >>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnother stupid political piece of bullshit from a classic bullshitter! The whole deal has been pushed by imbeciles like Red Rich80105 without bothering to look at the consequences or plan for them! Typical left whinge freedom and women's right haters!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-criticalYes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings,
scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >> >Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE
vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >> used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy? Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PM - permits limited what you
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution
that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), TonyMy comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should pause
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. >>>>>>The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes – >>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>>>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and
National. >>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 01:57:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyHybrids are part of the new types of vehicle. Your suggestion otherwise is idiotic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Hybrids are also petrol or diesel driven as well - a higher risk using
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), TonyOf course there is a headlong rush forced partly by governments and lovingly >>picked up by manufacturers before the supply chain of electricity has been >>sorted out. And before we have an understanding of the true ecological cost >>of
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>>>pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much >>>>>on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making >>>>>>>>decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There >>>>>>>>is
little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation >>>>>>>>challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as >>>>>>>>ICE
vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>>manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are >>>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes – >>>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man >>>>>>(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no >>>>>>surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>>>trhetoric?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>>>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
EVs, which could be at least as high as petrol/diesel vehicles.
I didn't say they were more dangerous than petrol of diesel vehicles but >>those
two are old enough that we know how to manage the risks. Obviously we don't >>know how to manage EV risks otherwise we would not be having these fires. >>So even someone with no understanding of the technology can see that we have >>added some risks and I maintain we have done so at too high a speed. That is >>so
simple that I am surprised you don't see it (oh, actually I am not all that >>surprised).
And hybrids are EVs of course.
your logic! EV Battery failures are sufficiently novel that they do
get news articles - and fair enough when someone was injured, but a
lot of car crashes do involve either actual or potential for fire;
they tend not to be reported.
But it is still not clear what you are really advocating for - atStop being an asshole.
present you seem to be having a general whinge with nothing specific
about what you think should happen, just a general elderly type whinge
that the world has these new dangers that I do not understand and
please can somebody stop the change because they just confuse. That
may misrepresent your argument of course, but just what you want to
happen is certainly unclear. So how about you get out of your whinging
mode and set out just what you want to happen, and why. Then think
about whether you agree with Seymour who would say that if you are
going to stop a business there should be compensation . . .
You just come across as anti-business. For this recent event, it doesOnly to you, to anybody who has any scientific background or who has an IQ greater than 79 I will come across as lucid. To you, I am just someone that rings your extremely tiny bell.
appear that the owner may not have been using the product in
accordance with manufacturers instructions - should we stop all
vehicles because someone may be killed by not driving carefully
tomorrow? And yes that is an exaggeration - but at present you are
somewhere between a simple whinge and being dangerously anti-business,
anti- development and anti freedom.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>>National. >>>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On 2023-07-30, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I would be interested in any statistics on such problems
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>manager Todd O?Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries ? which are >>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes ? >>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
EV's just have this habit of all to often starting to burn and the fire is >extremely hard to put out.
Road/rail cartage of dangerous goods have rules around what may be done. The >recent train wreck near Ohio, USA was made worse because the rules were not >being followed.
And yet we just pack the batteries into cars and place then 8000 odd onto
a ship without a second thought.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>National. >>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On 2023-07-29, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A critical injury is nearly a death; I agree such incidents are
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>manager Todd O?Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries ? which are >>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes ?
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of him. >>>Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man (I >>>met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
On the last ship on fire a seafairer lost their life owing to the fire. The >NZ scooter *explosion* caused a critical injury. We are not at war, so
deaths and critical injuries are not acceptable.
The risk needs to be reduced. NZTA is lowering the road speed limit to lower >the road toll, or at least that is the aim. So it does really matter that a >road user might be killed from a road vehicle.They are doing that based on evidence in each case - and our maximum
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about
current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - ACT and
National.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On 2023-07-29, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 10:57:30?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnother stupid political piece of bullshit from a classic bullshitter! The whole deal has been pushed by imbeciles like Red Rich80105 without bothering to look at the consequences or plan for them! Typical left whinge freedom and women's right haters!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-criticalYes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings,
scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>> >Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>> >vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
manager Todd O’Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries – which are
used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes –
had been the cause of a number of fires."
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy? Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PM - permits limited what you
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is
your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution
that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
This question of the pros and cons of EV,s are getting tangled up by the >"pushers". We are almost close to it being a second cousin to excess heart >deaths. No discussion and not engaging in a scientific discussion of the >matter.
EV's are new, they are being embedded into society, there are teething >problems which need working through. Having this tense stand off is not at >all useful for a good outcome.
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth
do you expect in a free market economy?
On 30 Jul 2023 04:04:41 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Nobody is suggesting that you fool.
On 2023-07-29, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:A critical injury is nearly a death; I agree such incidents are
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making decisions. >>>>>>The
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There is >>>>>>little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation challenges. >>>>>>Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as ICE >>>>>>vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>manager Todd O?Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries ? which are >>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes ? >>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man >>>>(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no surprise >>>>there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>trhetoric?
on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether
you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
On the last ship on fire a seafairer lost their life owing to the fire. The >>NZ scooter *explosion* caused a critical injury. We are not at war, so >>deaths and critical injuries are not acceptable.
serious, but whether we should ban a product that has become very
popular over the last year or so is another matter
The risk needs to be reduced. NZTA is lowering the road speed limit to lower >>the road toll, or at least that is the aim. So it does really matter that a >>road user might be killed from a road vehicle.They are doing that based on evidence in each case - and our maximum
speed has also increased in my lifetime. The move to allow councils to
make their own decisions about speed limits - I live near a small area
that had the limit reduced to 30kph ; it has been well received by
locals, as it is very narrow with shops and a school, but proposals to
extend that limit to a lot of other roads was resisted strongly, and
resolved quickly.
I remember the campaigns for seatbelts and helmets for riding a
bicycle - they took a long time to get through, and we still have car
and cycle deaths. It is all a question of balance; I have not seen any >statistics on deaths from battery explosions.
We do however have a clear example where saving lives was not
universally popular - the recent Covid pandemic. We have results that
show that New Zealand did better at that than almost all countries
around the world - and both during that period and until now our
economic performance has also been better than most countries, but
quite a few who post to nz.general appear to hold the view that more
deaths would have been acceptable - if we had followed the precautions
of the USA or the UK for example we may well have had an additional
10,000 to 14,000 deaths; but to be fair the opposition to the
precautions taken has grown considerably since precautions were
largely removed.
There does appear to be a need to better educate purchasers about how
to properly charge batteries without creating a risk of explosion, but >otherwise I suspect there would be little support from any sizable
group (the small number of habitual whingers excepted) to justify
banning electric batteries for personal transport.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about
current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like
the differences between our two furthest right parties - ACT and
National.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On 30 Jul 2023 04:15:23 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:This might help you. https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
On 2023-07-30, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I would be interested in any statistics on such problems
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>>>pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much >>>>>on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making >>>>>>>>decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and >>>>>>>>>where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There >>>>>>>>is
little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation >>>>>>>>challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as >>>>>>>>ICE
vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>>manager Todd O?Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries ? which are >>>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes ? >>>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man >>>>>>(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no >>>>>>surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political >>>>>>trhetoric?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>>>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
EV's just have this habit of all to often starting to burn and the fire is >>extremely hard to put out.
Road/rail cartage of dangerous goods have rules around what may be done. The >>recent train wreck near Ohio, USA was made worse because the rules were not >>being followed.
And yet we just pack the batteries into cars and place then 8000 odd onto
a ship without a second thought.
Do we? Do you have a cite for problems arising from transporting
batteries as distinct from them exploding either while being charged
or while in use?
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>>National. >>>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Jul 2023 04:15:23 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:This might help you. >https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
On 2023-07-30, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I would be interested in any statistics on such problems
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>>>>pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much >>>>>>on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making >>>>>>>>>decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when and
where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There >>>>>>>>>is
little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation >>>>>>>>>challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as >>>>>>>>>ICE
vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>>>manager Todd O?Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries ? which are >>>>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes ? >>>>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice man
(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no >>>>>>>surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and political
trhetoric?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>>>>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs
are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
EV's just have this habit of all to often starting to burn and the fire is >>>extremely hard to put out.
Road/rail cartage of dangerous goods have rules around what may be done. The >>>recent train wreck near Ohio, USA was made worse because the rules were not >>>being followed.
And yet we just pack the batteries into cars and place then 8000 odd onto >>>a ship without a second thought.
Do we? Do you have a cite for problems arising from transporting
batteries as distinct from them exploding either while being charged
or while in use?
Apparently the shipping industry is concerned. I think it is unlikely that eny >of the cars on the subject ship were running or charging.
The problem is worse than you are prepared to admit.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>>>National. >>>>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
On Sun, 30 Jul 2023 20:58:52 -0000 (UTC), TonyDon't you dare put words into my mouth. A very nasty habit of yours,
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 30 Jul 2023 04:15:23 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:This might help you. >>https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/ocean-shippers-playing-catch-up-electric-vehicle-fire-risk-2023-07-27/
On 2023-07-30, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I would be interested in any statistics on such problems
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:55:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 23:13:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:My comments to the original post clearly state my concern. Mankind should >>>>>>pause
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The cheap transport solution used an EV battery - so I was very much >>>>>>>on topic. Yes EV Batteries can be dangerous. The question is whether >>>>>>>you believe anything should be done about it, and if so what?
On Sat, 29 Jul 2023 22:04:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Wow, you can read!
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/wellington/132644522/scooter-battery-blast-moved-furniture-cracked-glass-left-person-critical
Yes, that's what heppens when you get zealots and fools making >>>>>>>>>>decisions.
Ships on fire carying EVs, EV's on fire threating parking buildings, >>>>>>>>>>>scooters exploding. It is time for some new rules around how, when >>>>>>>>>>>and
where
to charge your EV, and scooter.
The
entire EV thing has been rushed and is now a money making deal. There >>>>>>>>>>is
little
to no real advantage until we sort the storage and generation >>>>>>>>>>challenges.
Manufacture of EVs causes just about as much pollution and damage as >>>>>>>>>>ICE
vehicles do when running. But that fact is ignored.
From the article: "Fire and Emergency Services risk and investigations >>>>>>>>>manager Todd O?Donoghue in 2022 said lithium-ion batteries ? which are >>>>>>>>>used in devices like smartphones, ebikes, laptops and ecigarettes ? >>>>>>>>>had been the cause of a number of fires."
Exactly what hopeless point are you trying to make.
You have totally missed the point - no surprise there.
Of course selling these devices is a money making deal - what on earth >>>>>>>>>do you expect in a free market economy?
Perhaps you want to go back to
your ideal dreamland when Muldoon was PMMuldoon was an appalling PM and I helped in my humble way to get rid of >>>>>>>>him.
Shame his replacement turned out to be a poor PM although a very nice >>>>>>>>man
(I
met him several times).
Equally a shame is your attempt to send a little abuse my way - no >>>>>>>>surprise
there either.
- permits limited what youOff topic.
could import, with decisions made by government. So Tony, what is >>>>>>>>>your great solution to the risks of buying a cheap transport solution >>>>>>>>>that a young person could keep in his city apartment?
The topic is about the dangers of EV batteries.
Could you for once address the topic without sarcasm, abuse and >>>>>>>>political
trhetoric?
the headlong rush to EVs until the safety issues are addressed, that is >>>>>>obvious
and I am not surprised that you failed to understand that.
I do not see a headlong rush - and what evidence do you have that EVs >>>>> are any more dangerous than Hybrids or Petrol or Diesel vehicles?
EV's just have this habit of all to often starting to burn and the fire is >>>>extremely hard to put out.
Road/rail cartage of dangerous goods have rules around what may be done. The
recent train wreck near Ohio, USA was made worse because the rules were not >>>>being followed.
And yet we just pack the batteries into cars and place then 8000 odd onto >>>>a ship without a second thought.
Do we? Do you have a cite for problems arising from transporting >>>batteries as distinct from them exploding either while being charged
or while in use?
Apparently the shipping industry is concerned. I think it is unlikely that >>eny
of the cars on the subject ship were running or charging.
The problem is worse than you are prepared to admit.
Thanks for that, but of course it does not really change much for us
here in New Zealand - you seem to have the view Tony that every
problem must always be met with legislation
- in a market economyYou keep denying that there is a problem, all I and Gordon are saying is that the problem exists. Neither of us are suggesting legislation and neither of us are closed minded about the possible solutions.
problems like this are self-correcting - either the international
shipping firms will refuse to carry them or they will charge more. I
was looking for any statistics for New Zealand as that may indicate a
problem with unsafe operators selling dangerous goods - I have looked
briefly but was unable to find statistics to indicate systemic
electric vehicle battery problems in New Zealand.
Definitely off topic. You shoud seek help to fix your admitted political >>>>>>confusion. I am not in any way politically confused, I don't care about >>>>>>politics other than it is a source of constant amusement.
And to go back to our political confusion, here is an article about >>>>>>>current confusion within the Republican Party in the USA - a bit like >>>>>>>the differences between our two furthest right parties - CT and >>>>>>>National. >>>>>>>https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/28/conservatives-capitalism-campaigns-00108594
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