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    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 22:09:52 2023
    https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem
    of violenece.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Jul 28 10:55:59 2023
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem >>of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased.
    If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their own >hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

    Agreed. In this case the owner of the business saw the robbers as a
    threat to his business, so confronting them was an impulsive action to
    defend his business rather than fend off robbers. In this case it
    worked, but if the result was serious harm or death (to anyone
    involved including the robbers) then the business owner should not be
    blamed.

    Police advice is predicated on minimum physical harm to people - they
    cannot factor in the motivation to defend your business and
    livelihood. It should also be noted that with the history of
    robberies of this business it is likely that insurance is unaffordable
    or not available.

    Lastly it would seem that the business owner should reduce his
    staffing level so as to qualify for fog cannon(s).


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    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Jul 27 22:25:28 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem >of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased.
    If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their own hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Jul 28 13:10:46 2023
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem >>of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased.
    If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their own >hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

    Now you just being stupid, and playing politics. The trend of overall
    crime is irrelevant to this shop owner - he is concerned about what
    happened to him. All you are doing is playing politics on an event
    that is unfortunately being given publicity which may well result in
    more such invasions - and next time they may be better prepared.

    The media is not being helpful in highlighting this sort of event; it
    is cheap reporting, but ultimately anti-social in encouraging a view
    that raiding shops can be done without adverse consequences . . .

    What is intriguing however is that you see this as a problem that is
    entirely up to central government to solve; you apparently see no role
    for local police, the Taupo council, the shopowners or private
    security firms. Let us hope that the shopowner had the common sense to
    have continuous recording both inside and outside the shop entrance,
    recording continuously to maximise the information available to the
    police. If this was in England the local police would have
    surveillance cameras in the street and able to track the vehicle -
    including checking recordings both before and after their being in the
    shop.

    You posts indicate you do not really want to solve problems like this,
    Tony - all you want is to find any excuse to attack the government.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 28 01:28:23 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem >>>of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased.
    If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their own >>hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

    Now you just being stupid
    It is you that is stupid you rude old shit.
    , and playing politics.
    Absolute rot, I am genuinely concerned that if the government does not stop this decline there will be very sad consequences. Your denial of the reality is despicable.
    I am not playing politics, I don't do that unlike you.
    The trend of overall
    crime is irrelevant to this shop owner - he is concerned about what
    happened to him. All you are doing is playing politics on an event
    that is unfortunately being given publicity which may well result in
    more such invasions - and next time they may be better prepared.
    Horseshit.

    The media is not being helpful in highlighting this sort of event; it
    is cheap reporting, but ultimately anti-social in encouraging a view
    that raiding shops can be done without adverse consequences . . .
    No, that is the result of government inaction - you seem to think the media should not report such matters. Well?

    What is intriguing however is that you see this as a problem that is
    entirely up to central government to solve; you apparently see no role
    for local police
    The police work for me through the government, so gtheir role is crystal clear. >, the Taupo council, the shopowners or private
    security firms.
    Don't you dare put words into my mouth, you are not worthy of that.
    Let us hope that the shopowner had the common sense to
    have continuous recording both inside and outside the shop entrance, >recording continuously to maximise the information available to the
    police. If this was in England the local police would have
    surveillance cameras in the street and able to track the vehicle -
    including checking recordings both before and after their being in the
    shop.

    You posts indicate you do not really want to solve problems like this,
    Tony - all you want is to find any excuse to attack the government.
    This particular government is not deserving of anything else.
    Your defensiveness is abundantly clear, and your defense of an incompetent government is just as it always is - blind faith in your precious party affiliations.
    Your response to this post is entirely predictable and transparent.
    You started off with abuse and followed up with political rhetoric - you disgust me.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Jul 28 17:21:36 2023
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:28:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem
    of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased.
    If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their own >>>hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

    Now you just being stupid
    It is you that is stupid you rude old shit.
    , and playing politics.
    Absolute rot, I am genuinely concerned that if the government does not stop >this decline there will be very sad consequences. Your denial of the reality is
    despicable.
    I am not playing politics, I don't do that unlike you.
    The trend of overall
    crime is irrelevant to this shop owner - he is concerned about what >>happened to him. All you are doing is playing politics on an event
    that is unfortunately being given publicity which may well result in
    more such invasions - and next time they may be better prepared.
    Horseshit.

    The media is not being helpful in highlighting this sort of event; it
    is cheap reporting, but ultimately anti-social in encouraging a view
    that raiding shops can be done without adverse consequences . . .
    No, that is the result of government inaction - you seem to think the media >should not report such matters. Well?

    What is intriguing however is that you see this as a problem that is >>entirely up to central government to solve; you apparently see no role
    for local police
    The police work for me through the government, so gtheir role is crystal clear.
    , the Taupo council, the shopowners or private
    security firms.
    Don't you dare put words into my mouth, you are not worthy of that.
    I did not put any words in your mouth; I merely noted what you were
    not saying . . .


    Let us hope that the shopowner had the common sense to
    have continuous recording both inside and outside the shop entrance, >>recording continuously to maximise the information available to the
    police. If this was in England the local police would have
    surveillance cameras in the street and able to track the vehicle - >>including checking recordings both before and after their being in the >>shop.

    You posts indicate you do not really want to solve problems like this,
    Tony - all you want is to find any excuse to attack the government.
    This particular government is not deserving of anything else.
    Your defensiveness is abundantly clear, and your defense of an incompetent >government is just as it always is - blind faith in your precious party >affiliations.
    Your response to this post is entirely predictable and transparent.
    You started off with abuse and followed up with political rhetoric - you >disgust me.

    You confirm the conclusions I stated . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 28 05:44:04 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:28:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this >>>>>problem
    of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased. >>>>If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their >>>>own
    hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

    Now you just being stupid
    It is you that is stupid you rude old shit.
    , and playing politics.
    Absolute rot, I am genuinely concerned that if the government does not stop >>this decline there will be very sad consequences. Your denial of the reality >>is
    despicable.
    I am not playing politics, I don't do that unlike you.
    The trend of overall
    crime is irrelevant to this shop owner - he is concerned about what >>>happened to him. All you are doing is playing politics on an event
    that is unfortunately being given publicity which may well result in
    more such invasions - and next time they may be better prepared. >>Horseshit.

    The media is not being helpful in highlighting this sort of event; it
    is cheap reporting, but ultimately anti-social in encouraging a view
    that raiding shops can be done without adverse consequences . . .
    No, that is the result of government inaction - you seem to think the media >>should not report such matters. Well?

    What is intriguing however is that you see this as a problem that is >>>entirely up to central government to solve; you apparently see no role >>>for local police
    The police work for me through the government, so gtheir role is crystal >>clear.
    , the Taupo council, the shopowners or private
    security firms.
    Don't you dare put words into my mouth, you are not worthy of that.
    I did not put any words in your mouth; I merely noted what you were
    not saying . . .
    Are you really that daft? Yes you really are. You have absolutely no idea what I think, you are just a child in an ancient body. We all know that.


    Let us hope that the shopowner had the common sense to
    have continuous recording both inside and outside the shop entrance, >>>recording continuously to maximise the information available to the >>>police. If this was in England the local police would have
    surveillance cameras in the street and able to track the vehicle - >>>including checking recordings both before and after their being in the >>>shop.

    You posts indicate you do not really want to solve problems like this, >>>Tony - all you want is to find any excuse to attack the government.
    This particular government is not deserving of anything else.
    Your defensiveness is abundantly clear, and your defense of an incompetent >>government is just as it always is - blind faith in your precious party >>affiliations.
    Your response to this post is entirely predictable and transparent.
    You started off with abuse and followed up with political rhetoric - you >>disgust me.

    You confirm the conclusions I stated . . .
    No, your English comprehension ia appalling. You should stick to whatever your native language is.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 27 22:39:41 2023
    On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 5:26:02 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 01:28:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 22:25:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.waikatotimes.co.nz/a/nz-news/350043473/watchmaker-steps-out-shotgun-wielding-robber

    I guess we are in decline. Time to get serious at trying to fix this problem
    of violenece.
    Somewbody will post the government's lie that crime has not increased. >>>If the government does not fix this trend people will take it into their own
    hands and then people are going to get hurt or killed.

    Now you just being stupid
    It is you that is stupid you rude old shit.
    , and playing politics.
    Absolute rot, I am genuinely concerned that if the government does not stop >this decline there will be very sad consequences. Your denial of the reality is
    despicable.
    I am not playing politics, I don't do that unlike you.
    The trend of overall
    crime is irrelevant to this shop owner - he is concerned about what >>happened to him. All you are doing is playing politics on an event
    that is unfortunately being given publicity which may well result in >>more such invasions - and next time they may be better prepared. >Horseshit.

    The media is not being helpful in highlighting this sort of event; it
    is cheap reporting, but ultimately anti-social in encouraging a view >>that raiding shops can be done without adverse consequences . . .
    No, that is the result of government inaction - you seem to think the media >should not report such matters. Well?

    What is intriguing however is that you see this as a problem that is >>entirely up to central government to solve; you apparently see no role >>for local police
    The police work for me through the government, so gtheir role is crystal clear.
    , the Taupo council, the shopowners or private
    security firms.
    Don't you dare put words into my mouth, you are not worthy of that.
    I did not put any words in your mouth; I merely noted what you were
    not saying . . .

    How the hell did you NOT put words in Tony's mouth when you claim you only noted what tony wasn't saying? You're as mentally unstable as Kiri Allen. Take a holiday Rich :0
    Let us hope that the shopowner had the common sense to
    have continuous recording both inside and outside the shop entrance, >>recording continuously to maximise the information available to the >>police. If this was in England the local police would have
    surveillance cameras in the street and able to track the vehicle - >>including checking recordings both before and after their being in the >>shop.

    You posts indicate you do not really want to solve problems like this, >>Tony - all you want is to find any excuse to attack the government.
    This particular government is not deserving of anything else.
    Your defensiveness is abundantly clear, and your defense of an incompetent >government is just as it always is - blind faith in your precious party >affiliations.
    Your response to this post is entirely predictable and transparent.
    You started off with abuse and followed up with political rhetoric - you >disgust me.
    You confirm the conclusions I stated . . .
    You mean you stated you're just a left whinge liar ?!

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