It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to
gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to
gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to
gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The
Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to
gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The
Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition
party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However
the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Polls are irrelevant and only fools clutch at the straw they offer.
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The
Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down >>>and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>party.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them >>>by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT. >>
the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether
ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is
however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The
Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However
the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether
ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is
however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:11:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Yes fair comment; I also failed to mention NZ First as a supporter for ACT/National.
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
Agreed, though you fail to acknowledge the Maori Party as one of
Labour's dependencies..
Labour had dominant support from the lastThat often happens between elections; the polls may well change again
election and the polls show a very different picture currently.
LabourA lot has happened with each political party; but the prospects for
have recently had major problems with Cabinet Ministers with many now
exiting Cabinet for various reasons.
During the election campaign I expect the electorate to wake up to theHipkins has ruled out a Wealth Tax; but Luxon hasn't yet . . .
stark differences between National/ACT and Labour/Greens/Maori party
when the implications of wealth taxes sink in.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:55:17 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:11:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Yes fair comment; I also failed to mention NZ First as a supporter for >ACT/National.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a >>>>>> 'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
Agreed, though you fail to acknowledge the Maori Party as one of
Labour's dependencies..
Labour had dominant support from the lastThat often happens between elections; the polls may well change again
election and the polls show a very different picture currently.
over the next few weeks
LabourA lot has happened with each political party; but the prospects for
have recently had major problems with Cabinet Ministers with many now >>exiting Cabinet for various reasons.
effective economic management probably remain a larger influence
affecting support for all parties. The choice for many will be between >Hipkins / Robertson and Seymour / Luxon / Willis.
Hipkins has ruled out a Wealth Tax; but Luxon hasn't yet . . .
During the election campaign I expect the electorate to wake up to the >>stark differences between National/ACT and Labour/Greens/Maori party
when the implications of wealth taxes sink in.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 21:19:29 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:46:55 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:It does appear so, but the margin of error in many of the polls is
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:55:17 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:11:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:Yes fair comment; I also failed to mention NZ First as a supporter for >>>ACT/National.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>>>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the >>>>>>>> Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for >>>>>>>> low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a >>>>>>>> 'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>>>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>>>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>>>>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>>>>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
Agreed, though you fail to acknowledge the Maori Party as one of >>>>Labour's dependencies..
The Maori Party are much more likely be in Parliament after the
election than NZF
sufficient that either or both may get over the threshold. Winston
Peters appears to believe he is more likely to be able to take votes
from National than from Labour.
See: >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
I did not imply that I had any such belief.Labour had dominant support from the lastThat often happens between elections; the polls may well change again >>>over the next few weeks
election and the polls show a very different picture currently.
LabourA lot has happened with each political party; but the prospects for >>>effective economic management probably remain a larger influence >>>affecting support for all parties. The choice for many will be between >>>Hipkins / Robertson and Seymour / Luxon / Willis.
have recently had major problems with Cabinet Ministers with many now >>>>exiting Cabinet for various reasons.
The Hipkins/Robertson partnership will become clearer when Labour
publish their tax policies.
Hipkins has ruled out a Wealth Tax; but Luxon hasn't yet . . .
During the election campaign I expect the electorate to wake up to the >>>>stark differences between National/ACT and Labour/Greens/Maori party >>>>when the implications of wealth taxes sink in.
https://www.national.org.nz/delivering_tax_relief
What part of this gives you the belief that National will impose a
wealth tax?
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:46:55 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>It does appear so, but the margin of error in many of the polls is
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:55:17 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:11:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Yes fair comment; I also failed to mention NZ First as a supporter for >>ACT/National.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the >>>>>>> Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for >>>>>>> low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a >>>>>>> 'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>>>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>>>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
Agreed, though you fail to acknowledge the Maori Party as one of
Labour's dependencies..
The Maori Party are much more likely be in Parliament after the
election than NZF
I did not imply that I had any such belief.Labour had dominant support from the lastThat often happens between elections; the polls may well change again
election and the polls show a very different picture currently.
over the next few weeks
LabourA lot has happened with each political party; but the prospects for >>effective economic management probably remain a larger influence
have recently had major problems with Cabinet Ministers with many now >>>exiting Cabinet for various reasons.
affecting support for all parties. The choice for many will be between >>Hipkins / Robertson and Seymour / Luxon / Willis.
The Hipkins/Robertson partnership will become clearer when Labour
publish their tax policies.
Hipkins has ruled out a Wealth Tax; but Luxon hasn't yet . . .
During the election campaign I expect the electorate to wake up to the >>>stark differences between National/ACT and Labour/Greens/Maori party
when the implications of wealth taxes sink in.
https://www.national.org.nz/delivering_tax_relief
What part of this gives you the belief that National will impose a
wealth tax?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:Polls are irrelevant and only fools clutch at the straw they offer.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down >>>>and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them >>>>by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 20:46:55 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 19:55:17 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:11:45 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Yes fair comment; I also failed to mention NZ First as a supporter for >>ACT/National.
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the >>>>>>> Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for >>>>>>> low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a >>>>>>> 'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>>>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>>>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
Agreed, though you fail to acknowledge the Maori Party as one of
Labour's dependencies..
The Maori Party are much more likely be in Parliament after the
election than NZF
Labour had dominant support from the lastThat often happens between elections; the polls may well change again
election and the polls show a very different picture currently.
over the next few weeks
LabourA lot has happened with each political party; but the prospects for >>effective economic management probably remain a larger influence
have recently had major problems with Cabinet Ministers with many now >>>exiting Cabinet for various reasons.
affecting support for all parties. The choice for many will be between >>Hipkins / Robertson and Seymour / Luxon / Willis.
The Hipkins/Robertson partnership will become clearer when Labour
publish their tax policies.
Hipkins has ruled out a Wealth Tax; but Luxon hasn't yet . . .
During the election campaign I expect the electorate to wake up to the >>>stark differences between National/ACT and Labour/Greens/Maori party
when the implications of wealth taxes sink in.
https://www.national.org.nz/delivering_tax_relief
What part of this gives you the belief that National will impose a
wealth tax?
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The
Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a
'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM.
For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with
an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie down and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of them by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However
the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether
ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is
however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
On 2023-07-28, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Oh I don't think so - there is money in them. They could be a guess but not really much more.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 18:00:53 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:Polls are irrelevant and only fools clutch at the straw they offer.
On Thu, 27 Jul 2023 18:13:01 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thursday, 27 July 2023 at 16:39:50 UTC+12, Crash wrote:It depends on their MP count and whether Labour need them. Much more >>>>likely now with Winston ruling out Labour.
It is almost certain that Labour will need support from both the
Greens (aka the Watermelon Party ;-)) and the Maori Party (aka TPM) to >>>>>> gain the 'confidence of the house' and form the next government. The >>>>>> Watermelons and TPM both feature wealth taxes and lower taxes for
low-income people and have said adoption of their tax policies is a >>>>>> 'bottom line' in any negotiations to form a government.
So a vote for Labour is a vote for either the Watermelons and/or TPM. >>>>>> For Labour tax policy to matter they would have to be re-elected with >>>>>> an absolute Parliamentary majority - very unlikely.
--
Crash McBash
Greens talk the talk but never walk it. Come election time they'll lie >>>>>down
and let Labour use them as a doormat as they have done since time >>>>>immemorial.
TPM will stick to their guns as they are true zealots.
Which no-one in their right mind would consider as a viable coalition >>>>party.
None will matter. The NZ voter will have had the bejesus scared out of >>>>>them
by October 15. Nat/ACT landslide, the only question will be how big for >>>>>ACT.
I hope you are right given the circumstances of current times. However >>>>the polls are yet to show a decisive shift in support.
There has already been a significant shift in support - whether >>>ACT/National or Labour/Green are elected (even with minor parties) is >>>however still well within the margin of error in the polls.
However, one is wise to see what they say. The polls are not always right
but they are a guide, and guesstimate. If they were totally wrong everytime, >they would have gone out of existence long ago.
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