• NZ Soft on Crime

    From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 19 19:27:11 2023
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to JohnO on Thu Jul 20 03:11:19 2023
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he >walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to JohnO on Wed Jul 19 20:35:59 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 2:27:13 PM UTC+12, JohnO wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.

    Calling Labour as soft on crime is an insult to soft! They're just a damp smear on the pavement!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Jul 20 04:55:02 2023
    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he >>walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Jul 20 22:41:41 2023
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he >>>walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?


    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 20 04:58:01 2023
    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since she was given the job.
    Because the country is quite aware she's been gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 20 20:39:11 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he >>>>walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my >>>concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >>was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    Their policy to reduce prison numbers is obviously pertinent.
    There may be other evidence but that one is sufficient.


    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Jul 21 16:01:03 2023
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.; >> >
    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >> >was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing
    guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since she was given the job.
    Because the country is quite aware she's been gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 21 04:51:23 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as >>> >>>he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my >>> >>concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.; >>> >
    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >>> >was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing
    guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A >>policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been >>gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore culpable as well as responsible.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Jul 20 22:14:39 2023
    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:51:26 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as
    he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my >>> >>concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A >>policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been >>gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are
    responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore culpable as well as responsible.
    It's not use explaining facts to Rich. He's a compulsive liar by his own admittance and only deals in disinformation favouring the left. Bit strange for someone who tried to get us to believe he was politically neutral. That claim had as much veracity as
    him claiming Labour has been doing a good job...

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 17:20:34 2023
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:01:03 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.; >>> >
    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >>> >was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing
    guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since she was given the job.
    Because the country is quite aware she's been gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Specifics like this are irrelevant Rich. The fact is since Labour
    were appointed in 2017 and elected in 2020 there are more convicted
    crims no longer in prison and crime rates are increasing. If either
    of these were not true Labour would be campaigning on the success of
    their policies since 2020. They are instead campaigning (so far) with
    a get-tough-on-crims approach.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 19:43:11 2023
    https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/ADPSAC3005/SATECHI-165W-PD-GaN-USB-C-Charger---Up-to-165W-totOn Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:51:26?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as
    he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my >> >>> >>concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >> >>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A >> >>policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >> >>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been
    gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing
    guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are
    responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore >> culpable as well as responsible.
    It's not use explaining facts to Rich. He's a compulsive liar by his own admittance and only deals in disinformation favouring the left. Bit strange for someone who tried to get us to believe he was politically neutral. That claim had as much veracity
    as him claiming Labour has been doing a good job...

    And that Labours co-governance provisions in the water reforms
    legislation is a copy of National policy on ToW settlement agreements.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 22:46:16 2023
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 17:20:34 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:01:03 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >>>> >was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since she was given the job.
    Because the country is quite aware she's been gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Specifics like this are irrelevant Rich. The fact is since Labour
    were appointed in 2017 and elected in 2020 there are more convicted
    crims no longer in prison and crime rates are increasing. If either
    of these were not true Labour would be campaigning on the success of
    their policies since 2020. They are instead campaigning (so far) with
    a get-tough-on-crims approach.

    What are the statistics that show crime is increasing?

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Jul 21 22:43:32 2023
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:51:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as >>>> >>>he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my >>>> >>concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which >>>> >was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A >>>policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >>>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been >>>gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are >responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore >culpable as well as responsible.

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 21 22:50:43 2023
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 19:43:11 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/ADPSAC3005/SATECHI-165W-PD-GaN-USB-C-Charger---Up-to-165W-totOn Thu, 20 Jul 2023 22:14:39 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, July 21, 2023 at 4:51:26?PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as
    he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my
    concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>> >>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A >>> >>policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >>> >>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been
    gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing
    guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are
    responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore >>> culpable as well as responsible.
    It's not use explaining facts to Rich. He's a compulsive liar by his own admittance and only deals in disinformation favouring the left. Bit strange for someone who tried to get us to believe he was politically neutral. That claim had as much veracity
    as him claiming Labour has been doing a good job...

    And that Labours co-governance provisions in the water reforms
    legislation is a copy of National policy on ToW settlement agreements.

    Off topic - anything to avoid the question?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Fri Jul 21 14:15:21 2023
    On Saturday, July 22, 2023 at 8:35:03 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:51:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court
    as
    he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my
    concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to >>>>> >>account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, >>>>> >which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A
    policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >>>>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us
    since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been >>>>gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are
    responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore
    culpable as well as responsible.

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    Can you explain why there are fewer people being imprisoned?
    Can he also explain why more crime is being reported? Can he also explain why police told a group of concerned citizens told them to let a criminal go! Rich is just following the Labour commissars demands he joins them and gaslights us!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 21 20:35:00 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 04:51:23 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:


    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court >>>>> >>>as
    he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my >>>>> >>concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to
    account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, >>>>> >which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A >>>>policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a >>>>fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us >>>>since
    she was given the job. Because the country is quite aware she's been >>>>gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    That question is still silly even after asking it 3 times.
    The government owns this, regardless of what they did or did not do. They are >>responsible. Period!
    However they actually did ask for a reduction in prison numbers - therefore >>culpable as well as responsible.

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?
    Can you explain why there are fewer people being imprisoned?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jul 22 15:02:25 2023
    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 22:46:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 17:20:34 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 21 Jul 2023 16:01:03 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:

    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 04:58:01 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Thursday, July 20, 2023 at 10:45:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 20 Jul 2023 04:55:02 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-20, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    JohnO <john...@gmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/300931432/teen-mob-member-who-broke-into-home-and-sexually-assaulted-pregnant-woman-gets-home-detention

    The crim gets off with a slap on the wrist, and even mocks the court as he
    walks "free".

    Just like today's shooter.

    We need a government that can end this crap. Vote ACT.
    Whatever next? This government owns all of what is coming to them, my concern
    is that there are culpable ministers who will never be held to account.;

    That is all too often the case. Politicans who create a great mess, which
    was forecast and then they just paddle right out of the mess.
    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>>> guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Quote

    "Slipstream"

    Well the lush separation enfolds you
    And the products of wealth
    Push you along on the bow wave
    Of their spiritless undying selves
    And you press on God's waiter your last dime
    As he hands you the bill
    And you spin in the slipstream
    Timeless unreasoning
    Paddle right out of the mess

    And you paddle right out of the mess

    Unquote

    Ian Anderson, Jethro Tull, Aqualung 1971
    Well for starters they wanted to decrease the prison population by 20%. A policy that's just disappeared from their website Rich! Now stop being a fucking feral imbecile and admit The police minister has been lying to us since she was given the job.
    Because the country is quite aware she's been gaslighting us. Just like you do Rich!

    Can you point to any changes introduced by Labour to reduce sentencing >>>guidelines or categories and definitions of criminal activities?

    Specifics like this are irrelevant Rich. The fact is since Labour
    were appointed in 2017 and elected in 2020 there are more convicted
    crims no longer in prison and crime rates are increasing. If either
    of these were not true Labour would be campaigning on the success of
    their policies since 2020. They are instead campaigning (so far) with
    a get-tough-on-crims approach.

    What are the statistics that show crime is increasing?

    Irrelevant. See my second-last sentence in my previous post - that
    was the substance of what I said, which you have ignored in your
    response.


    --
    Crash McBash

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