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  • ACT loses its Founder

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 18 23:06:43 2023
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents
    only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of
    those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending
    privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 18 05:37:29 2023
    On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 11:10:19 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    Whereas many believe Labour is the party of liars rich :)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 18 20:29:08 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents
    only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of
    those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending
    privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Jul 18 21:56:46 2023
    On 2023-07-18, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents
    only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of
    those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?

    Times change.

    The Greens used to be enviornmentalists, now Woke. (To heck with everyone
    but ourselves)

    Labour, was for the working person, no totally Woke. (Silly ideas and
    thumping the working person, and many others)

    Maori, getting over the 5% threshold

    NZ First, as above.

    ACT, leaving behind the roots of the creation half a life time ago. To
    become revelant into days society.

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  • From greybeard@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 19 10:08:44 2023
    On 18/07/23 23:06, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents
    only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?


    He was wise enough to get out of the Lieboor party years ago.

    He should have been incarcerated for the disaster perpetrated on
    NZ civil society, and the economy as a Lieboor cabinet minister.
    Minister of Finance no less. Nearly as bad as Grunter the Robber.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Jul 19 20:22:01 2023
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents
    only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of
    those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Jul 20 08:08:55 2023
    On 18 Jul 2023 21:56:46 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-07-18, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it ?represents
    only the wealthy? and had become captured by libertarians after it
    ?lost the plot? around 2001."

    and

    "?Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent
    Act articles and policy,? he wrote. ?This was never the intention of
    those who founded Act.? Instead, it had been committed to ?ending
    privilege?.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?

    Times change.

    They certainly do. I wonder what the founder of the Maori Party
    thinks of party direction now. It is very different from that of her
    making.

    The Greens used to be enviornmentalists, now Woke. (To heck with everyone
    but ourselves)

    Labour, was for the working person, no totally Woke. (Silly ideas and >thumping the working person, and many others)

    Maori, getting over the 5% threshold

    NZ First, as above.

    ACT, leaving behind the roots of the creation half a life time ago. To
    become revelant into days society.

    Yes. Also TOP continues even though its founder has long gone.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jul 20 08:09:41 2023
    On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 08:05:14 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has >>>>>castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents >>>>>only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it >>>>>“lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party, >>>>>that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent >>>>>Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of >>>>>those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>>>>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .
    No, one of your boyfriends I have heard.
    Yet again you lie when you cannot respond honestly.

    Touche.


    --
    Crash McBash

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 19 19:54:51 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents >>>only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it
    “lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party,
    that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent >>>Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of >>>those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .
    No, one of your boyfriends I have heard.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 20 08:05:14 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has
    castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents >>>>only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it >>>>“lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party, >>>>that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent >>>>Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of >>>>those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>>>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .
    No, one of your boyfriends I have heard.
    Yet again you lie when you cannot respond honestly.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Jul 20 09:10:47 2023
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:19:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has >>>>>>castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents >>>>>>only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it >>>>>>“lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party, >>>>>>that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent >>>>>>Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of >>>>>>those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>>>>>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .
    No, one of your boyfriends I have heard.
    Yet again you lie when you cannot respond honestly.
    Simply responding to your nastiness, yet again,

    I was not accusing Roger Douglas and others of bias and nastiness . .
    .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Jul 19 20:19:47 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has >>>>>castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents >>>>>only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it >>>>>“lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party, >>>>>that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent >>>>>Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of >>>>>those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>>>>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .
    No, one of your boyfriends I have heard.
    Yet again you lie when you cannot respond honestly.
    Simply responding to your nastiness, yet again,

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jul 20 01:16:11 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 20:19:47 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 19 Jul 2023 19:54:51 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 20:29:08 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/live-updates/18-07-2023/roger-douglas-says-act-the-party-he-founded-has-lost-the-plot

    "The founder and first leader of Act, Sir Roger Douglas, has >>>>>>>castigated the current incarnation of the party, saying it “represents >>>>>>>only the wealthy” and had become captured by libertarians after it >>>>>>>“lost the plot” around 2001."

    and

    "“Act is viewed by most New Zealanders as the most rightwing party, >>>>>>>that represents only the wealthy, a view strongly reinforced by recent >>>>>>>Act articles and policy,” he wrote. “This was never the intention of >>>>>>>those who founded Act.” Instead, it had been committed to “ending >>>>>>>privilege”.

    Is Roger Douglas getting a bit wiser in his old age?
    No, his bias and nastiness is just as bad as alwaya.
    A friend of yours then . . .
    No, one of your boyfriends I have heard.
    Yet again you lie when you cannot respond honestly.
    Simply responding to your nastiness, yet again,

    I was not accusing Roger Douglas and others of bias and nastiness . .
    .
    I didn't say you were. But you were nasty nevertheless in your response to me. However I doubt you know when you are being nasty because it is second nature to you.

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