How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is being
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is being
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like allThe poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management
roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the
administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have
Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer
reason Labour have to go.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process >>>is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future.
They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health.
Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and >>>divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction >>>wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
What destruction?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided >>>over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly >>>dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
There is not, and has never been, a contract or agreement that allows or encourages co-governance. What is really racist is co-governance itself. Why do you persist in in that deflection?We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management
roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have
Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer
reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
What destruction?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management
roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have
Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer
reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
What destruction?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management
roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have
Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer
reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".
It was market forces that caused the rise as wellHouse prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It >is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any
credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them >feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >co-governace. To name a few.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of
government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the
recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management
roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer
reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot
of different organisations involved.
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It >is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >credit for the lowering.It was market forces that caused the rise as well
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and themI am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >co-governace. To name a few.
Waters . . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of
government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the
recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot
of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It >>is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>credit for the lowering.
3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them >>feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3
Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided >>>>>over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly
dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of
government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the
recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised and divided.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to health. Education is
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot
of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It >>is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them >>feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3
Waters . . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of
government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all
budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but
prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing
Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none ofActually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
it went to public health.
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the
recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot
of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It >>>is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them >>>feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3
Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided >>>>>>over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly
dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than
the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of
government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy and possibly deliberately ignorant.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >>Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for >>>>>>>their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor >>>>>>>access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot
of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been
able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It >>>>is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""?
The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the
principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively
supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >settlements.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>> government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as
the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and
other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe bullshit treaty translation is what is being pushed. No honour in that!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""?
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a
lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the
principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively
supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those settlements.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very cowardly
dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>> government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>> the need became very evident.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they
ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>reason Labour have to go.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy and >possibly deliberately ignorant.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >>>Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for >>>>>>>>their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor >>>>>>>>access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""?
The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the
principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>settlements.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but continue to
lie.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>>> government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>> the need became very evident.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 22:48:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyWe know what he meant, that includes you. You have been told several times.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy >>and
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>>>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >>>>Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful >>>>>>>>>for
their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor >>>>>>>>>access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>>>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. >>>>>>It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and >>>>>>them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>>Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""?
The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the >>>principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>>settlements.
possibly deliberately ignorant.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >>co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but continue >>to
lie.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
So read what Finlayson actually said: >https://e-tangata.co.nz/nzoa-pijf/chris-finlayson-co-governance-should-be-embraced-not-feared/
https://www.minterellison.co.nz/insights/co-governance-the-misunderstood-political-hot-potato-and-likely-election-dominator
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-listener/nz/chris-finlayson-i-worked-on-co-governance-heres-what-it-actually-means/G2FLCSFCZNG6FKTYYBAAVJCA3U/
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/co-governance-its-nothing-like-you-think >https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018841355/co-governance-time-to-get-on-with-it
https://www.bankside.co.nz/post/politics-law-competence-and-co-governance-an-interview-with-hon-christopher-finlayson-qc
https://www.waternz.org.nz/News-and-Events/Story?Action=View&Story_id=1697 What a waste of time and bandwidth.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling - >>>>>>> there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well >>>>>>> through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>>>> government.
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>>>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>>> the need became very evident.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>>>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy and >possibly deliberately ignorant.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >>>Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for >>>>>>>>their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor >>>>>>>>access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""?
The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the
principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>settlements.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but continue to
lie.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling -
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well
through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>>> government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>> the need became very evident.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 22:48:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyWe know what he meant, that includes you. You have been told several times. >Now focus on this - Co-governance is racist and undemocratic and you know that >is true - but prefer to toe the party line, how pathetic.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy >>>and
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>>>>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now? >>>>>>>>>>I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful >>>>>>>>>>for
their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor >>>>>>>>>>access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>>>>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. >>>>>>>It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and >>>>>>>them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>>>Waters
Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda. >>>>>> . . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""? >>>>The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the >>>>principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>>>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>>>settlements.
possibly deliberately ignorant.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >>>co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but continue >>>to
lie.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
So read what Finlayson actually said: >>https://e-tangata.co.nz/nzoa-pijf/chris-finlayson-co-governance-should-be-embraced-not-feared/
https://www.minterellison.co.nz/insights/co-governance-the-misunderstood-political-hot-potato-and-likely-election-dominator
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-listener/nz/chris-finlayson-i-worked-on-co-governance-heres-what-it-actually-means/G2FLCSFCZNG6FKTYYBAAVJCA3U/
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/co-governance-its-nothing-like-you-think >>https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018841355/co-governance-time-to-get-on-with-it
https://www.bankside.co.nz/post/politics-law-competence-and-co-governance-an-interview-with-hon-christopher-finlayson-qc
https://www.waternz.org.nz/News-and-Events/Story?Action=View&Story_id=1697 >What a waste of time and bandwidth.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling - >>>>>>>> there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well >>>>>>>> through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>>>>> government.
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>>>>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>>>> the need became very evident.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>>>>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other >>>>>>>> countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:49:39 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are a very silly child. I did not slur Finlayson in any way at all. I did however call you out on your lies.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 22:48:44 -0000 (UTC), TonyWe know what he meant, that includes you. You have been told several times. >>Now focus on this - Co-governance is racist and undemocratic and you know >>that
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy >>>>and
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>>>>>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic >>>>>>rights.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now? >>>>>>>>>>>I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful >>>>>>>>>>>for
their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have >>>>>>>>>>>poor
access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>>>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price >>>>>>>>rises.
It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and >>>>>>>>them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>>>>Waters
Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda. >>>>>>> . . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""? >>>>>The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the >>>>>principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>>>>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>>>>settlements.
possibly deliberately ignorant.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >>>>co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but >>>>continue
to
lie.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
So read what Finlayson actually said: >>>https://e-tangata.co.nz/nzoa-pijf/chris-finlayson-co-governance-should-be-embraced-not-feared/
https://www.minterellison.co.nz/insights/co-governance-the-misunderstood-political-hot-potato-and-likely-election-dominator
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-listener/nz/chris-finlayson-i-worked-on-co-governance-heres-what-it-actually-means/G2FLCSFCZNG6FKTYYBAAVJCA3U/
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/co-governance-its-nothing-like-you-think >>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018841355/co-governance-time-to-get-on-with-it
https://www.bankside.co.nz/post/politics-law-competence-and-co-governance-an-interview-with-hon-christopher-finlayson-qc
https://www.waternz.org.nz/News-and-Events/Story?Action=View&Story_id=1697 >>What a waste of time and bandwidth.
is true - but prefer to toe the party line, how pathetic.
I take offence at your deliberate slur on both me and on Chris
Finlayson.
He is an honourable man who is more knowledgeable about theNo he is not, but you are.
law and the Treaty of Waitangi than most people, and definitely far
better informed than you. He performed well as Treaty Minister in the
Key / English Governments, and he is definitely not a racist.
It isTotally off topic.
sad to see a political party descend to divisiveness to attract the
bigotted and unthinking racist scum to try to boost their support. It
is noticeable that many past National Party leaders and senior past >politicians are not saying very much at present; racism is not a
viable stance to take for a party that would like to think it can be
elected to government.
Your telling nz.general your opinions is no recommendation to anyoneI am not a racist, but you are!
capable of elementary thinking; it is certainly far from any proof; it
is not surprising that you are unable to show any articles supporting
your racist views.
Clearly you did not read the articles; I realise that you will notRich you are deluded. Nobody here believes a word you post. And none of your posts showed that Finlayson supported co-governance which is a racist and undemocratic belief.
believe any posts from others to nz.general, but your unwillingness to
even read evidence that you are wrong identifies you as a nasty troll.
Take your racist views elsewhere, Tony.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling - >>>>>>>>> there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well >>>>>>>>> through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>>>>>> government.
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>>>>> the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>>>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the
recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other >>>>>>>>> countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>>>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>>>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 22:48:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), TonyYou are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy and
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things >>>>amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic rights. >>>>Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda.
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>>> wrote:Who the hell is "We".
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now?
I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful for
their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have poor >>>>>>>>>access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come. >>>>>>
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are >>>>>>> more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price rises. It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>>Waters
. . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""?
The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the >>>principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>>settlements.
possibly deliberately ignorant.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >>co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but continue to
lie.
Correct - and if I recall correctly Findlayson has said that the
agreements he negotiated are not co-governance as enshrined in the
Water Reforms legislation that Labour has passed.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
That is correct. We have existed for over 180 years without it and
there is no pressing reason to introduce it now after so long without
it.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling - >>>>>>> there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well >>>>>>> through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of >>>>>>> government.
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we >>>>>>> are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>>> the need became very evident.
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and >>>>>>>>progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the >>>>>>>>headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath. >>>>>>> I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the >>>>>>> recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other
countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying >>>>>>> to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not >>>>>>> get away with such blatant racism.
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 15 Jul 2023 02:49:39 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 22:48:44 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 20:30:32 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:You are once more answering the wrong person - that is at least very lazy >>>>>and
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On 14 Jul 2023 01:32:25 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>3 waters (improperly named) is not an inconvenience. It is several things
On 2023-07-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Jul 2023 10:34:49 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 12 Jul 2023 14:26:24 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
wrote:
How has that worked out. Are people feeling more well now? >>>>>>>>>>>>I don't think so.
And Labour's brainless removal of fiscal probity from the budgeting >>>>>>>>>>>>process is now making people the opposite of well. They are fearful >>>>>>>>>>>>for
their
future. They are pouring out of NZ and into Australia. They have >>>>>>>>>>>>poor
access to
health. Education is being wrecked. People have never, ever been so >>>>>>>>>>>>polarised
and divided.
We have removed about 20,000 children from poverty, with more to come.
Who the hell is "We".
The collective of New Zealanders. It has been multi-faceted with a lot >>>>>>>>of different organisations involved.
It was market forces that caused the rise as well
House prices are coming down from the high as more people have been >>>>>>>>>> able to find somewhere to live, and benefit levels and conditions are
more humane. Trade training has been revolutionised resulting in a >>>>>>>>>> lower shortage level for construction in particular.
It is the Government which caused a great deal of the house price >>>>>>>>>rises.
It
is the market forces which are doing the lowering. Try not to take any >>>>>>>>>credit for the lowering.
The election cannot come soon enough. It is a sad shame that the >>>>>>>>>>>>destruction wrought by this incompetent government will take a >>>>>>>>>>>>generation to
remedy.
What destruction?
If you do not know, it says many things, most of them bad.
Our country is now divided, there are a great deal of underlying us and
them
feelings and the damage of the push like hell it through 3 waters >>>>>>>>>co-governace. To name a few.
I am not aware of anyone even inconvenienced by the proposals for 3 >>>>>>>>Waters
amongst which is theft, racism and deliberate removal of democratic >>>>>>>rights.
Anybody who believes it is a mere inconvenience has a an evil agenda. >>>>>>>> . . . What has been pushed through that has affected you?
So what damage do you think has been caused by ''pushing it though""? >>>>>>The National Party has in the past actively sought to honour the >>>>>>principles of the Treaty of Waitangi, and Chris Finlayson actively >>>>>>supported co-governance as part of the way of getting through those >>>>>>settlements.
possibly deliberately ignorant.
However you have also lied. Finlayson talked about co-management not >>>>>co-governance. You have had that explained to you several times but >>>>>continue
to
lie.
Co-governance is racist and undemocratic.
You are a very silly child. I did not slur Finlayson in any way at all. I did however call you out on your lies.So read what Finlayson actually said: >>>>https://e-tangata.co.nz/nzoa-pijf/chris-finlayson-co-governance-should-be-embraced-not-feared/We know what he meant, that includes you. You have been told several times. >>>Now focus on this - Co-governance is racist and undemocratic and you know >>>that
https://www.minterellison.co.nz/insights/co-governance-the-misunderstood-political-hot-potato-and-likely-election-dominator
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/the-listener/nz/chris-finlayson-i-worked-on-co-governance-heres-what-it-actually-means/G2FLCSFCZNG6FKTYYBAAVJCA3U/
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/co-governance-its-nothing-like-you-think >>>>https://www.rnz.co.nz/programmes/the-detail/story/2018841355/co-governance-time-to-get-on-with-it
https://www.bankside.co.nz/post/politics-law-competence-and-co-governance-an-interview-with-hon-christopher-finlayson-qc
https://www.waternz.org.nz/News-and-Events/Story?Action=View&Story_id=1697 >>>What a waste of time and bandwidth.
is true - but prefer to toe the party line, how pathetic.
I take offence at your deliberate slur on both me and on Chris
Finlayson.
Co-governance and co-management are very different things. But you know that don't you?
He is an honourable man who is more knowledgeable about theNo he is not, but you are.
law and the Treaty of Waitangi than most people, and definitely far
better informed than you. He performed well as Treaty Minister in the
Key / English Governments, and he is definitely not a racist.
It isTotally off topic.
sad to see a political party descend to divisiveness to attract the >>bigotted and unthinking racist scum to try to boost their support. It
is noticeable that many past National Party leaders and senior past >>politicians are not saying very much at present; racism is not a
viable stance to take for a party that would like to think it can be >>elected to government.
I am not a racist, but you are!
Your telling nz.general your opinions is no recommendation to anyone >>capable of elementary thinking; it is certainly far from any proof; it
is not surprising that you are unable to show any articles supporting
your racist views.
Rich you are deluded. Nobody here believes a word you post. And none of your posts showed that Finlayson supported co-governance which is a racist and undemocratic belief.
Clearly you did not read the articles; I realise that you will not
believe any posts from others to nz.general, but your unwillingness to
even read evidence that you are wrong identifies you as a nasty troll.
Take your racist views elsewhere, Tony.
Your faux offence is a slur on the good people of this country and your precious racist government is about to come to an end, hopefully for a decade or two - and you with it if there is any justice.
The level of invective against our Prime Minister was appalling - >>>>>>>>>> there was a programme about that recently - and she presided well >>>>>>>>>> through more crises than most governments; Covid ws much larger than >>>>>>>>>> the GFC that National used to excuse failures in nearly every area of
It is no wonder Ardern bailed. She could see the failure she has >>>>>>>>>>>>presided
over and the upcoming electoral train wreck. Still, hers was a very >>>>>>>>>>>>cowardly
dick move.
government.
The poor training and recruitment levels of the previous government >>>>>>>>>> were wider than just mental health. Very few have in fact left, but we
I well remember that budget - all the others less so. Like all >>>>>>>>>>>budgets it projects spending in the current and future years, but >>>>>>>>>>>prior to each budget there is never any reporting on past budgets and
progress being made (or not). Both parties are at fault here but the
headline spend of $1.9 Billion on mental health in the Wellbeing >>>>>>>>>>>Budget is a stand-out failure.
are desperately short as National did not increase training even as >>>>>>>>>> the need became very evident.
We also have all that extra spending from the pandemic - but none of >>>>>>>>>>>it went to public health.Actually a huge amount went to public health - the vaccinations and >>>>>>>>>> other measures to limit the spread of Covid were mostly public heath.
I accept that the payments to businesses were consequential - they >>>>>>>>>> ensured we had a very low economic loss - and we have gone through the
recession stage of recovery later and less severely than other >>>>>>>>>> countries, and appear to be recovering more quickly.
This Labour government has fixed theMeeting contractual commitments is something that National are trying
absurdity of DHBs (20 separate entities with duplicated management >>>>>>>>>>>roles, introduced by Labour) but we are yet to hear about the >>>>>>>>>>>administrators and managers no longer needed.
The introduction of nationwide co-governance and the attempt to have >>>>>>>>>>>Maori permanently appointed as local body councilors is the killer >>>>>>>>>>>reason Labour have to go.
to hide from - in reality they know that in government they would not
get away with such blatant racism.
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