We have been free of polls for a few days now but the followingA very poor analysis based on 90% conjecture and 10% hope.
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when
considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are
generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question
wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not
intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore
not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National,
but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National
Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back
for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts
away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >particular political party,Yeah "right".
but with an election coming up it isThree months to go and as usual at this time the polls are meaningless. The only poll that counts is on election day and there are often, perhaps always, surprises.
interesting to see the current trends. . . .
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when
considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are
generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question
wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not
intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore
not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National,
but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National
Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back
for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts
away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >particular political party, but with an election coming up it is
interesting to see the current trends. . . .
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when >>considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are >>generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question
wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not
intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore
not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >>unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National,
but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National >>Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back
for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts
away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >>particular political party, but with an election coming up it is >>interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any
particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts
where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as
appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich80105@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than
one person posting under this pseudonym.
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and badI believe that there are some good people in at least the four most
in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There
are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern >(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First,
The Maori Party).
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number
of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond
with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective
on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is
crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
On 2023-07-08, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when >>>>considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are >>>>generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question >>>>wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not >>>>intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore >>>>not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >>>>unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National, >>>>but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at >>>>least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National >>>>Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned >>>>in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back >>>>for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts >>>>away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >>>>particular political party, but with an election coming up it is >>>>interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any >>>particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts >>>where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as >>>appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich80105@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than
one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I
do not support any particular political party . . ."
Which as Crash pointed out is a great big red flag. Repeating the
statement is just doubling down, which adds to the size of the flag.
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad
in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There >>>are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern >>>(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First,
The Maori Party).
supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before
policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number
of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond
with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective
on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is >>>crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to
take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular
question. I have been told that market research standards require that
information about at least some of these should be included in the
reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that
information is unfortunate and concerning.
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when >>>considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are >>>generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question >>>wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not >>>intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore >>>not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >>>unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National,
but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National >>>Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back >>>for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts >>>away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >>>particular political party, but with an election coming up it is >>>interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any >>particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts
where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as >>appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich80105@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than
one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I
do not support any particular political party . . ."
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad
in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There
are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern >>(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First,
The Maori Party).
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before
policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number
of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond
with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective
on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is
crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to
take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular question. I have been told that market research standards require that information about at least some of these should be included in the
reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that
information is unfortunate and concerning.
On 9 Jul 2023 00:29:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No Rich. You doubled down on your original lie! But that's okay we expect it from you...
On 2023-07-08, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following >>>>website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results >>>>over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when >>>>considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all >>>>responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are >>>>generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question >>>>wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not >>>>intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore >>>>not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >>>>unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National, >>>>but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the >>>>removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who >>>>had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at >>>>least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National >>>>Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned >>>>in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back >>>>for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts >>>>away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >>>>particular political party, but with an election coming up it is >>>>interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any >>>particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts >>>where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as >>>appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich...@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than >>>one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I
do not support any particular political party . . ."
Which as Crash pointed out is a great big red flag. Repeating the >statement is just doubling down, which adds to the size of the flag.Crash did not refer to a flag, but did only selectively quote what I
had said. My repetition of what I actually said is a correction, not "doubling down".
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad >>>in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There >>>are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern >>>(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First, >>>The Maori Party).
supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before
policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number >>>of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond >>>with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective >>>on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is >>>crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to
take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular
question. I have been told that market research standards require that
information about at least some of these should be included in the
reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that
information is unfortunate and concerning.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 12:46:34?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:No lie, John - can't you get anything right?
On 9 Jul 2023 00:29:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No Rich. You doubled down on your original lie! But that's okay we expect it from you...
On 2023-07-08, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash did not refer to a flag, but did only selectively quote what I
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when
considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are
generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question
wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not
intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore >> >>>>not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less
unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National,
but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National >> >>>>Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned >> >>>>in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back >> >>>>for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts
away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any
particular political party, but with an election coming up it is
interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any
particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts
where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as
appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich...@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than
one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I
do not support any particular political party . . ."
Which as Crash pointed out is a great big red flag. Repeating the
statement is just doubling down, which adds to the size of the flag.
had said. My repetition of what I actually said is a correction, not
"doubling down".
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad
in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There
are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern
(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First,
The Maori Party).
supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before
policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number
of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond
with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective
on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is
crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to
take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular
question. I have been told that market research standards require that
information about at least some of these should be included in the
reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that
information is unfortunate and concerning.
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 21:16:43 -0700 (PDT), John BowesAccording to some of your other lies. YES! Always. You on the other hand are so far left you haven't got a snowballs chance of ever being right :)
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 12:46:34?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:No lie, John - can't you get anything right?
On 9 Jul 2023 00:29:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No Rich. You doubled down on your original lie! But that's okay we expect it from you...
On 2023-07-08, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash did not refer to a flag, but did only selectively quote what I
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >> >> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when
considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are >> >>>>generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question
wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not
intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore
not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >> >>>>unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National, >> >>>>but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who >> >>>>had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National
Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back
for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts >> >>>>away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >> >>>>particular political party, but with an election coming up it is
interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any
particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts
where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as
appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich...@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than >> >>>one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I >> >> do not support any particular political party . . ."
Which as Crash pointed out is a great big red flag. Repeating the
statement is just doubling down, which adds to the size of the flag.
had said. My repetition of what I actually said is a correction, not
"doubling down".
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad >> >>>in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There >> >>>are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern >> >>>(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First, >> >>>The Maori Party).
supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before
policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number >> >>>of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond
with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective >> >>>on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is
crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to
take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular >> >> question. I have been told that market research standards require that >> >> information about at least some of these should be included in the
reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that
information is unfortunate and concerning.
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:08:34?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 21:16:43 -0700 (PDT), John BowesAccording to some of your other lies. YES! Always. You on the other hand are so far left you haven't got a snowballs chance of ever being right :)
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 12:46:34?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:No lie, John - can't you get anything right?
On 9 Jul 2023 00:29:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No Rich. You doubled down on your original lie! But that's okay we expect it from you...
On 2023-07-08, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Crash did not refer to a flag, but did only selectively quote what I
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >> >> >> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results
over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when
considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are >> >> >>>>generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question
wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not
intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore
not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less >> >> >>>>unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National, >> >> >>>>but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who >> >> >>>>had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at
least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National
Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back
for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts >> >> >>>>away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any >> >> >>>>particular political party, but with an election coming up it is
interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any
particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts
where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as
appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich...@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than >> >> >>>one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I >> >> >> do not support any particular political party . . ."
Which as Crash pointed out is a great big red flag. Repeating the
statement is just doubling down, which adds to the size of the flag.
had said. My repetition of what I actually said is a correction, not
"doubling down".
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad >> >> >>>in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There >> >> >>>are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern >> >> >>>(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First, >> >> >>>The Maori Party).
supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before
policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number >> >> >>>of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond
with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective >> >> >>>on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is
crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to
take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular >> >> >> question. I have been told that market research standards require that >> >> >> information about at least some of these should be included in the
reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that
information is unfortunate and concerning.
On Sun, 9 Jul 2023 03:58:06 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou support the left Rich! You are far from being non political! You've also accused people of being far right when they're not! You've parroted Ardern's lie of nine years of neglect from National! Just three of the many lies you've repeated in this ng
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 10:08:34?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You have not identified any lie or incorrect statement from me . . .
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 21:16:43 -0700 (PDT), John BowesAccording to some of your other lies. YES! Always. You on the other hand are so far left you haven't got a snowballs chance of ever being right :)
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 12:46:34?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:No lie, John - can't you get anything right?
On 9 Jul 2023 00:29:57 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:No Rich. You doubled down on your original lie! But that's okay we expect it from you...
On 2023-07-08, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 14:06:46 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Sat, 08 Jul 2023 10:04:47 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >> >> >>>wrote:
We have been free of polls for a few days now but the following
website may not be well known - it gives a broader view of results >> >> >>>>over time, and indicates trends that may not always be seen when >> >> >>>>considering only the last two polls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_2023_New_Zealand_general_election
The published poll results are weakened by not including all
responses, and the graphs shown share that weakness - "Refusals are
generally excluded from the party vote percentages, while question >> >> >>>>wording and the treatment of "don't know" responses and those not >> >> >>>>intending to vote may vary between survey organisations."
The trends shown and the differences between the parties may therefore
not be particularly accurate, but the trends over time will be less
unreliable. The change of leader does seem to have affected National,
but the change in trend for Labour is more likely linked to the
removal of most Covid precautions - bringing back some of those who
had been misled by Covid misinformation. The rise of ACT may be at >> >> >>>>least partially linked to the popularity of the Leader of the National
Party from time to time - Seymour rose in popularity as National waned
in 2021, but waned again as a new leader (Bridges) gained support back
for National, and ACT is now rising again as National support drifts
away.
Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I do not support any
particular political party, but with an election coming up it is >> >> >>>>interesting to see the current trends. . . .
Fair comment Rich except that your assertion "I do not support any >> >> >>>particular political party". Rather than go back and cite the posts >> >> >>>where this is clearly not the case, I will remind you of this as
appropriate to your future posts as 'Rich...@hotmail.com'. this
post was so uncharacteristic of you that I suspect there is more than
one person posting under this pseudonym.
My statement was "Like Tony and some others posting to nz.general, I
do not support any particular political party . . ."
Which as Crash pointed out is a great big red flag. Repeating the
statement is just doubling down, which adds to the size of the flag. >> >> Crash did not refer to a flag, but did only selectively quote what I >> >> had said. My repetition of what I actually said is a correction, not >> >> "doubling down".
I believe that there are some good people in at least the four most >> >> >> supported; and that has been the case for a very long time. Some
I am normally a neutral commentator in that usually I see good and bad
in all the major political parties. Times change and so have I. There
are political parties that currently I see as not only unfit to govern
(Labour and the Greens) but also unfit to be in Parliament (NZ First,
The Maori Party).
political parties do not however allow all their elected
representatives to express their views on some issues even before >> >> >> policies are determined.
You are correct to identify that Pollsters do not identify the number
of respondents that either do not answer a poll question or respond >> >> >>>with 'don't know' or equivalent. Accordingly there is no perspective
on the number of 'undecided' party voters in particular and this is >> >> >>>crucial in evaluating the credibility of party-vote results.
It is difficult to determine "undecided" from those who decline to >> >> >> take the survey at all, or those that decline to answer a particular
question. I have been told that market research standards require that
information about at least some of these should be included in the >> >> >> reports to clients. That the ''news media" decline to report that >> >> >> information is unfortunate and concerning.
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