On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and
Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an
interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current
government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and
Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:On the contrary, John Bowes, we pay medical staff to exercise
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an
interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current
government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and
Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
discrimination - first of course on immediate medical need
Here is a background paper from nearly 20 years ago: https://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/386E76C777C9733CCC2579E3006D761F/$file/prioritisation-backgroundpapers.pdf
For recent work on this issue, see: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years?
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:24:12 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
So what?
It proves nothing and does not support a race based health system in any way.
It supports getting rid of racial bigotry, as now exemplified by the anti-Maori sentiment supported by National . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
So what?
It proves nothing and does not support a race based health system in any way.
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT), John BowesRefute this Rich80105 without using the over used racist slur you're currently so fond of you racist toad!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:On the contrary, John Bowes, we pay medical staff to exercise
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an
interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current
government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and
Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
discrimination - first of course on immediate medical need
Here is a background paper from nearly 20 years ago: https://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/386E76C777C9733CCC2579E3006D761F/$file/prioritisation-backgroundpapers.pdf
For recent work on this issue, see: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years?
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:24:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe racist bigotry is ALL Labours and things like 3 waters and the new RMA are proof of that. Not helped by the use of the bullshit translation of the Treaty of Waitangi being used to fuck the country!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064It supports getting rid of racial bigotry, as now exemplified by the anti-Maori sentiment supported by National . . .
So what?
It proves nothing and does not support a race based health system in any way.
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 21:24:12 -0000 (UTC), TonyBullshit. National are not anti Maori (that is fiction) and this government's health reforms are racist. Those are both facts that you cannot fail to ackowledge. Correction - you can of course fail to acknowledge the truth, you so often have in the past.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
So what?
It proves nothing and does not support a race based health system in any way.
It supports getting rid of racial bigotry, as now exemplified by the >anti-Maori sentiment supported by National . . .
On 2023-06-22, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an
interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current
government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and >>>> Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
On the contrary, John Bowes, we pay medical staff to exercise
discrimination - first of course on immediate medical need
I would aruge it is the culture that causes the staff to exercise >discrinmation.
Here is a background paper from nearly 20 years ago:
https://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/386E76C777C9733CCC2579E3006D761F/$file/prioritisation-backgroundpapers.pdf
For recent work on this issue, see:
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years?
If the Maori and Pasifika, as a group(s) have a lower level of general
health then they are more likely to need an operation/treatment than a group >who do not. Thus it is expected that they will be over represented.
So we need to increase the general health of the population.
That article points out the many factors at play, it is not simple and it >does seem that we need a total multi partisan approach to health. Does not >matter which party you follow/vote for health affects everyone. A change of >Government should have the health system cruising along as business as
usual. Health should not be a political football.
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an
interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current
government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and
Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
On the contrary, John Bowes, we pay medical staff to exercise
discrimination - first of course on immediate medical need
Here is a background paper from nearly 20 years ago: https://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/386E76C777C9733CCC2579E3006D761F/$file/prioritisation-backgroundpapers.pdf
For recent work on this issue, see: https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years?
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and
Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
On 2023-06-22, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an
interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori.
He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current
government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent
some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and >>>> Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
On the contrary, John Bowes, we pay medical staff to exercise
discrimination - first of course on immediate medical need
I would aruge it is the culture that causes the staff to exercise >discrinmation.
Here is a background paper from nearly 20 years ago:
https://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/386E76C777C9733CCC2579E3006D761F/$file/prioritisation-backgroundpapers.pdf
For recent work on this issue, see:
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years?
If the Maori and Pasifika, as a group(s) have a lower level of general
health then they are more likely to need an operation/treatment than a group >who do not. Thus it is expected that they will be over represented.
So we need to increase the general health of the population.
That article points out the many factors at play, it is not simple and it >does seem that we need a total multi partisan approach to health. Does not >matter which party you follow/vote for health affects everyone. A change of >Government should have the health system cruising along as business as
usual. Health should not be a political football.
On 22 Jun 2023 23:35:54 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:Prove it!
On 2023-06-22, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 10:28:20?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 22 Jun 2023 03:21:30 -0700 (PDT), John BowesNice to see you admitting that special treatment by medical staff is discrimination Rich. Well done! Maybe there's hope for some more sense from you soon.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 9:41:06?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:You are being a bit hard on Simon Bridges - he was merely describing >>>> the situation he found himself in - being discriminated against in an >>>> interaction with the health system due to his presenting as a Maori. >>>> He rightly did not condone that discrimination, nor does the current >>>> government; and they are doing something to redress to a small extent >>>> some of the effects of that discrimination. Your accusing National and >>>> Simon Bridges of being racist is not helpful . . .
https://twitter.com/craigmcculloch/status/1671402895231832064
That it was a racist system set up by a totalitarian government who doesn't give a damn about New Zealanders unless they're a minority race!
Another pathetic political post from the ng political disinformation project!
On the contrary, John Bowes, we pay medical staff to exercise
discrimination - first of course on immediate medical need
I would aruge it is the culture that causes the staff to exercise >discrinmation.
Here is a background paper from nearly 20 years ago:
https://www.moh.govt.nz/notebook/nbbooks.nsf/0/386E76C777C9733CCC2579E3006D761F/$file/prioritisation-backgroundpapers.pdf
For recent work on this issue, see:
https://www.newsroom.co.nz/ethnicity-a-factor-in-surgery-waitlists-for-years?
If the Maori and Pasifika, as a group(s) have a lower level of general >health then they are more likely to need an operation/treatment than a group
who do not. Thus it is expected that they will be over represented.
So we need to increase the general health of the population.
That article points out the many factors at play, it is not simple and it >does seem that we need a total multi partisan approach to health. Does not >matter which party you follow/vote for health affects everyone. A change of >Government should have the health system cruising along as business as >usual. Health should not be a political football.
I agree, Gordon. The relatively complex, but simple to use system was developed by health professionals without any direction from
government, as being the best way to get maximum impact from the
resources available - it starts with the intensity of medical needs
and only then introduces other factors.
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