So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason forWhat nonsense. There is nothing stupid about freedom of personal choice (unless you are a Labour supporter I suppose).
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the
youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to
climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but
private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using
lies to try and discredit a government . . .
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rate
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the
youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to
climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but
private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using
lies to try and discredit a government . . .
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rateWonder who did the fact checking? Can't trust Stuff to turn out a reason the government disagrees with and the Disinformation Project is only any good for giving out Rich89105 type information...
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the >youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to >climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but >private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhapsWhat nonsense. There is nothing stupid about freedom of personal choice (unless
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using >lies to try and discredit a government . . .
you are a Labour supporter I suppose).
And those that exercise that right are not anti-vaxxers, they are worried about
one particular (non) vaccine.
And there is no reason to believe they are far right activists.
What a crock your mind is.
On 2023-06-21, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rate
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a
world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the
youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to
climb - and that is showing through.
This is along the idea that CO2 causes global warming. Yes the death rates >will go up, but it is the exent that they have which is the point.
The excess death rates take into account the seasonal deaths, the aging >population etc.The calculated results are based on population mortality rates by age
Also if you think about it, the rate will climb slowly not at a rate where >the undertakers are surprised by the sudden intake.Indeed that is true, but over the last 20 or 30 years, and despite
Not a diversion - the nature of many services has changed as a result
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing
increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but
private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue
contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Diversion level HIGH.
In what way have they been proven correct on anything, Gordon?
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using
lies to try and discredit a government . . .
No it is the Government which has done this. People in a democracy have the >right to hold opinions. The reasons the anti-vaxxers have proven correct
over time, unles those have a blind spot.
Nevertheless it was good to see that the article says that 4 deaths haveMore than offset by the number of deaths avoided. It was an
been caused by the vaccine is a good start.
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason forOnce more an example of your refusal accept there is another side (you know - balance!).
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the
youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to
climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but
private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using
lies to try and discredit a government . . .
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rateOnce more an example of your refusal accept there is another side (you know - balance!).
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >>world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the >>youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to
climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >>increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but
private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >>contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using
lies to try and discredit a government . . .
See https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
Our excess deaths worst in the OECD
https://hatchardreport.com/heart-attacks-have-increased-by-83-percent/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOpkwU1yx4
Oh go on, I know you are dying to - do attack the authors and ignore the data.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rate
Once more an example of your refusal accept there is another side (you know - >balance!).
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >>world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the >>youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to
climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >>increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still
rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but
private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >>contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a
lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps
not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using
lies to try and discredit a government . . .
See https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
Our excess deaths worst in the OECD
and
https://hatchardreport.com/heart-attacks-have-increased-by-83-percent/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOpkwU1yx4
Oh go on, I know you are dying to - do attack the authors and ignore the data.
On 2023-06-23, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rate
Once more an example of your refusal accept there is another side (you know >>-
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >>>world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the >>>youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to >>>climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >>>increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still >>>rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but >>>private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >>>contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a >>>lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps >>>not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using >>>lies to try and discredit a government . . .
balance!).
See https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
Our excess deaths worst in the OECD
In deed they are, according to the spreadsheet.
The really concerning factor is that the NZ % rate is way higher than even >USA and above UK for 2023.
Also in the something is not right with the numbers of excess deaths on the >spread sheet and the numbers given by the Ministry of Health. MoH ones are a >great deal lower
From my records
62 vs 128 Week 1
44 173 Week 2
31 77
9 156
25 121
11 61
21 138
8 93
6 99
etc.
I must be missing somethingSomebody definitely is.
https://hatchardreport.com/heart-attacks-have-increased-by-83-percent/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOpkwU1yx4
Oh go on, I know you are dying to - do attack the authors and ignore the >>data.
There are a great number of videos on you-tube from well respected people
who are calling for an inquiry into the excess deaths, what is causing them. >No show, we can not even have a discussion of it without being cancelled.
That in itself says a great deal.
On Fri, 23 Jun 2023 21:27:47 -0000 (UTC), TonyAnd I, more importantly the OECD and others, have given you different and more believeable figures.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/the-whole-truth/132369176/fact-checking-claims-about-new-zealands-2022-death-rate
Once more an example of your refusal accept there is another side (you know - >>balance!).
So rising deaths are nothing to do with Covid - New Zealand had a >>>world-leading low percentage of deaths from Covid, but the reason for
a rising death rate is simple demographics - blame the babyboomers!
Baby boomers are regarded as those born from 1946 to 1964 - years of
high birth rates following WW2. The oldest of these are now 77, the >>>youngest 59. That is the period in life when mortality rates start to >>>climb - and that is showing through.
This is a reminder that we are in a period when we are still seeing >>>increasing NZ Super commitments - but not even National are
threatening the start date for baby boomers), we are seeing a still >>>rising demand for retirement villages and aged care facilities (but >>>private companies will soon see the peak of that demand a stop
expanding facilities that may be less needed as the boomers pass
through. We can be thankful that Labour started the Cullen Fund to
ease the peak demand for NZ Super; sad that National did not continue >>>contributions when they were in government - and that Labour has put a >>>lot of money into health - the demand for geriatric services will
still be increasing for a while.
Another example of the stupidity of some of the anti-vaxxers - perhaps >>>not surprisingly these are often also rabid far-right activists, using >>>lies to try and discredit a government . . .
See https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
Our excess deaths worst in the OECD
Looking at that chart, your claim is rubbish. First you are looking at
weekly figures for this year. It is not clear what the "excess"
mortality is measured against - most likely current deaths are being
compared with death rates for the previous one or two years, when New
Zealand had lower mortality than normal. Other effects are of course >seasonal - we are now in winter, many other countries are in summer.
All that the table shows is that we are similar to other countries,
and as has already been pointed out to you, our aging population will
have increasing mortality anyway (our baby-boomer population increase
was higher than many countries), and we expect an increase in
mortality as we stop taking the previous precautions against covid
that also reduced deaths from winter ailments such as influenza.
I have given you the graphs of cumulative comparisons of mortality
that showed NZ had world-beating low mortality during the pandemic
period, but that we are coming back to the pack as those precautions
have ceased, and we move towards the level of Covid experience as
other countries.
and
https://hatchardreport.com/heart-attacks-have-increased-by-83-percent/
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwOpkwU1yx4
Oh go on, I know you are dying to - do attack the authors and ignore the data.
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