• Lockdown damage

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 21:43:45 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/06/15/new-zealand-enters-recession-after-years-of-lockdowns/
    Not the great result that the MSM has been saying.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Jun 17 23:05:32 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:43:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/06/15/new-zealand-enters-recession-after-years-of-lockdowns/
    Not the great result that the MSM has been saying.

    World events have certainly not been kind to our country over the last
    few years - the Covid pandemic, a history of underinvestment in
    housing, hospitals, education; inequality leading to high levels of
    child poverty, and law wages leading to real poverty and unequal >opportunities for young people. The previous government had neglected
    state highway maintenance in favour of glamour motorways (all of which
    had delays through quality issues), and neglected development other
    transport (rail and coastal shipping).
    More recently, we have had storms and flooding that have required high
    short term spending on remedial work - with the prospect of further
    extreme weather events ahead.

    Our Covid response was excellent - or total losses were only about 615
    people more than would have been expected based on previous mortality
    rates (including winter flu etc). By comparison, had we had the same >experience as the USA we could have lost 20,300 people, if the same
    as the UK we would have lost 17,600; if the same as Australia we
    would have lost 5,800 . Most of those ''excess deaths"" have only
    occurred this year when we have dropped most precautions.
    (for the data behind these ""excess deaths), see >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
    - I have based our numbers on a population of 5.1 million.

    In addition our government enabled most companies to continue to pay
    staff - through wage subsidies - even the "NZ Taxpayer Union" was
    supported - that mean that unemployment remained very low; consumer
    demand was not stopped, and profits were only marginally affected -
    but the continued level of profits, and hence tax on wages and company >profits, were not enough to pay for those subsidies. Nevertheless, our
    level of government debt as a percentage of GPD remains very low
    compared with most countries, but with further storms ahead, it is
    just good financial management to ensure that we enable our country to >finance the effects of current climate change events, while also
    preparing for future extreme weather events.

    The level of our technical recession is very low - probably within the
    margin of error for calculating GDP, and much better than many other >countries, but we will come through this, probably more quickly than
    many expect.

    To support that view, see: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/liam-dann-harden-up-new-zealand-this-was-the-recession-we-needed-to-have/4XY6IKBFV5GHXKPIKKBIOMEIRY/
    Your party political broadcast is noted but none of it refutes the article which clearly shows that we were not well led during the pandemic. There were serious mistakes and the level of autocracy was completely unnecessary.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sun Jun 18 10:56:32 2023
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:43:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/06/15/new-zealand-enters-recession-after-years-of-lockdowns/
    Not the great result that the MSM has been saying.

    World events have certainly not been kind to our country over the last
    few years - the Covid pandemic, a history of underinvestment in
    housing, hospitals, education; inequality leading to high levels of
    child poverty, and law wages leading to real poverty and unequal
    opportunities for young people. The previous government had neglected
    state highway maintenance in favour of glamour motorways (all of which
    had delays through quality issues), and neglected development other
    transport (rail and coastal shipping).
    More recently, we have had storms and flooding that have required high
    short term spending on remedial work - with the prospect of further
    extreme weather events ahead.

    Our Covid response was excellent - or total losses were only about 615
    people more than would have been expected based on previous mortality
    rates (including winter flu etc). By comparison, had we had the same
    experience as the USA we could have lost 20,300 people, if the same
    as the UK we would have lost 17,600; if the same as Australia we
    would have lost 5,800 . Most of those ''excess deaths"" have only
    occurred this year when we have dropped most precautions.
    (for the data behind these ""excess deaths), see https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
    - I have based our numbers on a population of 5.1 million.

    In addition our government enabled most companies to continue to pay
    staff - through wage subsidies - even the "NZ Taxpayer Union" was
    supported - that mean that unemployment remained very low; consumer
    demand was not stopped, and profits were only marginally affected -
    but the continued level of profits, and hence tax on wages and company
    profits, were not enough to pay for those subsidies. Nevertheless, our
    level of government debt as a percentage of GPD remains very low
    compared with most countries, but with further storms ahead, it is
    just good financial management to ensure that we enable our country to
    finance the effects of current climate change events, while also
    preparing for future extreme weather events.

    The level of our technical recession is very low - probably within the
    margin of error for calculating GDP, and much better than many other
    countries, but we will come through this, probably more quickly than
    many expect.

    To support that view, see: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/liam-dann-harden-up-new-zealand-this-was-the-recession-we-needed-to-have/4XY6IKBFV5GHXKPIKKBIOMEIRY/

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 20:14:46 2023
    On Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 10:58:18 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:43:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/06/15/new-zealand-enters-recession-after-years-of-lockdowns/
    Not the great result that the MSM has been saying.
    World events have certainly not been kind to our country over the last
    few years - the Covid pandemic, a history of underinvestment in
    housing, hospitals, education; inequality leading to high levels of
    child poverty, and law wages leading to real poverty and unequal opportunities for young people. The previous government had neglected
    state highway maintenance in favour of glamour motorways (all of which
    had delays through quality issues), and neglected development other transport (rail and coastal shipping).

    World events be fucked! It's your inglorious Labour government that's been unkind Rich and_you_know_it! Your just a feral left whinge troll and spin doctor for them!

    More recently, we have had storms and flooding that have required high
    short term spending on remedial work - with the prospect of further
    extreme weather events ahead.

    Except all that's been done is the bare minimum so typical of your Labour shower Rich!


    Our Covid response was excellent - or total losses were only about 615 people more than would have been expected based on previous mortality
    rates (including winter flu etc). By comparison, had we had the same experience as the USA we could have lost 20,300 people, if the same
    as the UK we would have lost 17,600; if the same as Australia we
    would have lost 5,800 . Most of those ''excess deaths"" have only
    occurred this year when we have dropped most precautions.
    (for the data behind these ""excess deaths), see https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
    - I have based our numbers on a population of 5.1 million.

    Our covid response was over the top and not only beached many freedoms but also the NZ Bill of Rights! Pretty typical of totalitarian governments everywhere! Labour response destroyed businesses, families and democracy!

    In addition our government enabled most companies to continue to pay
    staff - through wage subsidies - even the "NZ Taxpayer Union" was
    supported - that mean that unemployment remained very low; consumer
    demand was not stopped, and profits were only marginally affected -
    but the continued level of profits, and hence tax on wages and company profits, were not enough to pay for those subsidies. Nevertheless, our
    level of government debt as a percentage of GPD remains very low
    compared with most countries, but with further storms ahead, it is
    just good financial management to ensure that we enable our country to finance the effects of current climate change events, while also
    preparing for future extreme weather events.

    So explain why so many companies have gone bankrupt? That includes companies your useless government needs to accomplish many of their promises!


    The level of our technical recession is very low - probably within the margin of error for calculating GDP, and much better than many other countries, but we will come through this, probably more quickly than
    many expect.

    Keep an eye on Rich while it's still in sight! After Robertsons depredations it'll be going down a lot further. Why do I say that? Because your inglorious Labour party have been lying to us ever since Winston gave them the job and the lies are just like
    yours getting sillier and sillier and more frequent!


    To support that view, see: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/liam-dann-harden-up-new-zealand-this-was-the-recession-we-needed-to-have/4XY6IKBFV5GHXKPIKKBIOMEIRY/

    You use the öpinion"of another Labour toady to back up your spurious and disingenuous lies in support of the worst government in NZ history!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Jun 18 03:23:59 2023
    On 2023-06-17, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 21:43:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://www.breitbart.com/economy/2023/06/15/new-zealand-enters-recession-after-years-of-lockdowns/
    Not the great result that the MSM has been saying.

    World events have certainly not been kind to our country over the last
    few years - the Covid pandemic,

    Including, or mainly the Government's response to it.

    a history of underinvestment in
    housing, hospitals, education;

    Much of this under Labour in the last 6 years.

    inequality leading to high levels of
    child poverty, and law wages leading to real poverty and unequal opportunities for young people.

    Indeed, on Labours watch


    The previous government had neglected
    state highway maintenance in favour of glamour motorways (all of which
    had delays through quality issues), and neglected development other
    transport (rail and coastal shipping).

    Maybe, but as the population develops it becomes necessary to get some high speed, high capacity highways in place, for the growing country.

    More recently, we have had storms and flooding that have required high
    short term spending on remedial work - with the prospect of further
    extreme weather events ahead.

    Yes, the weather will throw a few more curve balls. Nothing unsual in that.


    Our Covid response was excellent - or total losses were only about 615
    people more than would have been expected based on previous mortality
    rates (including winter flu etc). By comparison, had we had the same experience as the USA we could have lost 20,300 people, if the same
    as the UK we would have lost 17,600; if the same as Australia we
    would have lost 5,800 . Most of those ''excess deaths"" have only
    occurred this year when we have dropped most precautions.
    (for the data behind these ""excess deaths), see https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
    - I have based our numbers on a population of 5.1 million.

    Excess deaths are going on all over the developed world. Started in January 2022 and still ongoing. Of course we are not allowed to ask, why is this?


    In addition our government enabled most companies to continue to pay
    staff - through wage subsidies - even the "NZ Taxpayer Union" was
    supported - that mean that unemployment remained very low; consumer
    demand was not stopped, and profits were only marginally affected -
    but the continued level of profits, and hence tax on wages and company profits, were not enough to pay for those subsidies.

    Gosh, is that hindsight? How can the Government break even if it dishes out 100% and only gets the tax back?

    Nevertheless, our
    level of government debt as a percentage of GPD remains very low
    compared with most countries, but with further storms ahead, it is
    just good financial management to ensure that we enable our country to finance the effects of current climate change events, while also
    preparing for future extreme weather events.

    The level of our technical recession is very low - probably within the
    margin of error for calculating GDP,

    This I agree with

    and much better than many other
    countries, but we will come through this, probably more quickly than
    many expect.

    Nope, the MSM will continue to repeat the article in different ways for
    several months.


    To support that view, see: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/liam-dann-harden-up-new-zealand-this-was-the-recession-we-needed-to-have/4XY6IKBFV5GHXKPIKKBIOMEIRY/

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