• Re: Who would have thought...

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Jun 15 20:52:27 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:50:05 PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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    Good to see it's being put to good use :)

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 15:50:04 2023
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Fri Jun 16 16:04:01 2023
    On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:50:05?PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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    Crash McBash

    Good to see it's being put to good use :)
    And that National and Labour are both on board with this - anything
    before 2017 would have been National, but some after 2017 may have
    been committed to by National earlier.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 17:03:48 2023
    On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:04:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:50:05?PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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    Crash McBash

    Good to see it's being put to good use :)
    And that National and Labour are both on board with this - anything
    before 2017 would have been National, but some after 2017 may have
    been committed to by National earlier.

    You completely missed the point. The NZ government has funded the
    expansion of green-house-gas emitting farming in developing countries.
    That is all. There is no mention of political parties and for good
    reason. Duh!


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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Fri Jun 16 05:30:31 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:04:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:50:05?PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


    --
    Crash McBash

    Good to see it's being put to good use :)
    And that National and Labour are both on board with this - anything
    before 2017 would have been National, but some after 2017 may have
    been committed to by National earlier.

    You completely missed the point. The NZ government has funded the
    expansion of green-house-gas emitting farming in developing countries.
    That is all. There is no mention of political parties and for good
    reason. Duh!

    I suspect he did not miss the point but deliberately ignored it.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 16 03:12:57 2023
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 4:05:26 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:50:05?PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


    --
    Crash McBash

    Good to see it's being put to good use :)
    And that National and Labour are both on board with this - anything
    before 2017 would have been National, but some after 2017 may have
    been committed to by National earlier.

    Got a cite for your claim Rich?

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 17 08:10:41 2023
    On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:50:04 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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    Crash McBash

    The money is being used to fund NZs major export competitors.

    Have I got that about right?

    Bill.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to blah@blah.blah on Sat Jun 17 09:41:08 2023
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 08:10:41 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:50:04 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


    --
    Crash McBash

    The money is being used to fund NZs major export competitors.

    Have I got that about right?

    Bill.

    No. The funding is to establish dairy farming with its consequent
    methane production byproduct. in countries that even combined are a
    fraction of the size of NZ. Dairy production in all of them will
    never be able to scale up to a level where our dairy industry will
    have to compete internationally with them.

    The irony is using climate change funding to fund the establishment of
    dairy farming.


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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Fri Jun 16 23:54:13 2023
    On 2023-06-16, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 4:05:26 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 15 Jun 2023 20:52:27 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 3:50:05?PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


    --
    Crash McBash

    Good to see it's being put to good use :)
    And that National and Labour are both on board with this - anything
    before 2017 would have been National, but some after 2017 may have
    been committed to by National earlier.

    Got a cite for your claim Rich?

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132261664/governments-climate-donations-set-up-dairy-farming-overseas


    "Here are the countries where climate aid for dairy and meat farming was provided between 2015 and
    2020:"

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Fri Jun 16 23:49:28 2023
    On 2023-06-16, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 08:10:41 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:50:04 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being
    spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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    Crash McBash

    The money is being used to fund NZs major export competitors.

    Have I got that about right?

    Bill.

    No. The funding is to establish dairy farming with its consequent
    methane production byproduct. in countries that even combined are a
    fraction of the size of NZ. Dairy production in all of them will
    never be able to scale up to a level where our dairy industry will
    have to compete internationally with them.

    The irony is using climate change funding to fund the establishment of
    dairy farming.



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132261664/governments-climate-donations-set-up-dairy-farming-overseas

    At the bottom of this page there is a list of the countries which were given aid.

    They are listed below. Some of them are small in land area, others not so
    much.


    Colombia: 1,141,748 square km
    Fiji: 18,272 square km
    Indonesia: 1,904,569 square km
    Laos: 234,800 square km
    Myanmar: 676,578 square km
    Peru: 1,285,216 square km
    Sri Lanka: 65,265 square km
    Uruguay: 176,215 square km
    Zambia: 126,896 square km

    New Zealand 268,021 square km


    Zambias population is 20 million, 4 times NZ, in about half the area.
    Peru population is 34.3 million, approx 7 times NZ, area of Peru is 4.8
    times the area.

    The worlds population is still increasing so I very much doubt that the
    extra output will affect NZ's situation.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Jun 17 12:57:02 2023
    On 16 Jun 2023 23:49:28 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-06-16, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    On Sat, 17 Jun 2023 08:10:41 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:

    On Fri, 16 Jun 2023 15:50:04 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

    Climate change assistance to developing countries from NZ is being >>>>spent this way:

    https://tinyurl.com/yjjdwrer

    Duh!


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    Crash McBash

    The money is being used to fund NZs major export competitors.

    Have I got that about right?

    Bill.

    No. The funding is to establish dairy farming with its consequent
    methane production byproduct. in countries that even combined are a
    fraction of the size of NZ. Dairy production in all of them will
    never be able to scale up to a level where our dairy industry will
    have to compete internationally with them.

    The irony is using climate change funding to fund the establishment of
    dairy farming.



    https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/132261664/governments-climate-donations-set-up-dairy-farming-overseas

    At the bottom of this page there is a list of the countries which were given >aid.

    They are listed below. Some of them are small in land area, others not so >much.


    Colombia: 1,141,748 square km
    Fiji: 18,272 square km
    Indonesia: 1,904,569 square km
    Laos: 234,800 square km
    Myanmar: 676,578 square km
    Peru: 1,285,216 square km
    Sri Lanka: 65,265 square km
    Uruguay: 176,215 square km
    Zambia: 126,896 square km

    New Zealand 268,021 square km


    Zambias population is 20 million, 4 times NZ, in about half the area.
    Peru population is 34.3 million, approx 7 times NZ, area of Peru is 4.8
    times the area.

    The worlds population is still increasing so I very much doubt that the
    extra output will affect NZ's situation.

    I stand correct Gordon. I did not scroll to this list - but stopped
    at the in-line advert above it.

    Yes we may face competition from the farmers that this aid has gone to
    but with a total of $12.2 million, it will take a very long time for
    them to scale up to the level required to compete on the international
    market.


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