• Re: The "Me First! Party . . .

    From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Jun 14 00:54:23 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/tesla-recoil-christopher-luxon-ordered-then-cancelled-taxpayer-funded-tesla-while-criticising-tesla-subsidies/D6BMKILVY5DTNBYS6E7YHISKR4/

    "The Herald understands Luxon was talked out of ordering the car by
    horrified staff and at least one senior MP, who believed the purchase
    would be a massive political risk."

    And there on the same page was another tone-deaf ex-Nat politician: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ask-me-anything-sir-john-key-talks-to-paula-bennett-about-politics-ambition-and-raising-kids/ECKOIG7SYFEVBFYUHT3E7W73JE/?dicbo=v2-lbruitL&&ref=topbox

    ". . . .Key is not a fan of the recent IRD report, which showed that
    while wealthier New Zealanders pay more tax overall, they pay lower
    tax rates than other earners.

    Key said the analysis was “so pathetic” that he doesn’t see why it was >published, and lambasted the idea that all of New Zealand’s problems
    can be blamed on the rich.

    “I know what my taxes are and I know I was on that list cause I was
    made to fill it out, and I know there’s a hell of a lot more wealthy
    people that are not on the list that are a lot wealthier than we are.
    But I know how much nominal tax I pay and the answer is, a truckload.
    Mm-hmm. So yeah, when 2 per cent of people are paying a quarter of all >personal tax and 25 per cent are paying, or 20 per cent are paying
    about 70 per cent of it, well, if that’s not enough, what is enough?"

    Of course Key and Luxon are both happy to be ''entitled" to more than
    others - but they do not want any real discussion on tax rates - the
    last thing they would want is to have New Zealand adopt rates similar
    to most other countries - they know that Australia, the UK, the USA
    and many others have higher income tax rates for the wealthy than New >Zealand, and that those countries do not have the property loopholes
    that so distort our investment markets that we sell off our companies
    to overseas owners while putting out own money into property where tax
    on the capital gains can be avoided . . .

    and from
    https://thestandard.org.nz/you-can-never-have-too-many-teslas/

    "The incident highlights four problems for National.

    Firstly how out of touch is it to want to own two Teslas, especially
    when one is being paid for by the taxpayer? And especially when day
    after day you rail against inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending.

    Secondly how hypocritical is it to publicly rail against Government
    support to individuals to buy Teslas to get the country’s car fleet
    emissions down but think that a Tesla for the National Party leader is
    fine.

    Thirdly how bad is Luxon’s political judgment that he would even think
    of getting a state supplied Tesla let alone actually ordering one.

    And fourthly National is clearly leaking again.

    There is a pattern developing here. I cannot believe how accident
    prone Luxon is. And how he cannot see how hypocritical it is to rail
    against Tesla subsidies and inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending but to then order a Government supplied Tesla when he already
    has one."

    So there is just enough time for someone to try and "Do a Jacinda" by >replacing Luxon - would it be Willis? Is this Uffindell's time? or is
    Judith just waiting to take over when Luxon resigns after the
    election?
    You have descended into your usual pre election tactic. Personal attacks against somebody who is a million times anything you have ever been and ever will be. How sad that you have wasted your life and brought so much misery and zero pleasure to those that you have interracted with. How very sad - but it is all a waste of time. Because nobody actually listens to you.
    What a patherically childish post from you today.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Jun 13 18:11:11 2023
    On Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 12:54:25 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/tesla-recoil-christopher-luxon-ordered-then-cancelled-taxpayer-funded-tesla-while-criticising-tesla-subsidies/D6BMKILVY5DTNBYS6E7YHISKR4/

    "The Herald understands Luxon was talked out of ordering the car by >horrified staff and at least one senior MP, who believed the purchase >would be a massive political risk."

    And there on the same page was another tone-deaf ex-Nat politician: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ask-me-anything-sir-john-key-talks-to-paula-bennett-about-politics-ambition-and-raising-kids/ECKOIG7SYFEVBFYUHT3E7W73JE/?dicbo=v2-lbruitL&&ref=topbox

    ". . . .Key is not a fan of the recent IRD report, which showed that
    while wealthier New Zealanders pay more tax overall, they pay lower
    tax rates than other earners.

    Key said the analysis was “so pathetic” that he doesn’t see why it was
    published, and lambasted the idea that all of New Zealand’s problems
    can be blamed on the rich.

    “I know what my taxes are and I know I was on that list cause I was
    made to fill it out, and I know there’s a hell of a lot more wealthy >people that are not on the list that are a lot wealthier than we are.
    But I know how much nominal tax I pay and the answer is, a truckload. >Mm-hmm. So yeah, when 2 per cent of people are paying a quarter of all >personal tax and 25 per cent are paying, or 20 per cent are paying
    about 70 per cent of it, well, if that’s not enough, what is enough?"

    Of course Key and Luxon are both happy to be ''entitled" to more than >others - but they do not want any real discussion on tax rates - the
    last thing they would want is to have New Zealand adopt rates similar
    to most other countries - they know that Australia, the UK, the USA
    and many others have higher income tax rates for the wealthy than New >Zealand, and that those countries do not have the property loopholes
    that so distort our investment markets that we sell off our companies
    to overseas owners while putting out own money into property where tax
    on the capital gains can be avoided . . .

    and from
    https://thestandard.org.nz/you-can-never-have-too-many-teslas/

    "The incident highlights four problems for National.

    Firstly how out of touch is it to want to own two Teslas, especially
    when one is being paid for by the taxpayer? And especially when day
    after day you rail against inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending.

    Secondly how hypocritical is it to publicly rail against Government >support to individuals to buy Teslas to get the country’s car fleet >emissions down but think that a Tesla for the National Party leader is >fine.

    Thirdly how bad is Luxon’s political judgment that he would even think >of getting a state supplied Tesla let alone actually ordering one.

    And fourthly National is clearly leaking again.

    There is a pattern developing here. I cannot believe how accident
    prone Luxon is. And how he cannot see how hypocritical it is to rail >against Tesla subsidies and inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending but to then order a Government supplied Tesla when he already
    has one."

    So there is just enough time for someone to try and "Do a Jacinda" by >replacing Luxon - would it be Willis? Is this Uffindell's time? or is >Judith just waiting to take over when Luxon resigns after the
    election?
    You have descended into your usual pre election tactic. Personal attacks against somebody who is a million times anything you have ever been and ever will be. How sad that you have wasted your life and brought so much misery and
    zero pleasure to those that you have interracted with. How very sad - but it is
    all a waste of time. Because nobody actually listens to you.
    What a patherically childish post from you today.
    Funny how Rich never learns and as a result never posts anything that isn't a left whinge political diatribe...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 12:20:01 2023
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/tesla-recoil-christopher-luxon-ordered-then-cancelled-taxpayer-funded-tesla-while-criticising-tesla-subsidies/D6BMKILVY5DTNBYS6E7YHISKR4/

    "The Herald understands Luxon was talked out of ordering the car by
    horrified staff and at least one senior MP, who believed the purchase
    would be a massive political risk."

    And there on the same page was another tone-deaf ex-Nat politician: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ask-me-anything-sir-john-key-talks-to-paula-bennett-about-politics-ambition-and-raising-kids/ECKOIG7SYFEVBFYUHT3E7W73JE/?dicbo=v2-lbruitL&&ref=topbox

    ". . . .Key is not a fan of the recent IRD report, which showed that
    while wealthier New Zealanders pay more tax overall, they pay lower
    tax rates than other earners.

    Key said the analysis was “so pathetic” that he doesn’t see why it was published, and lambasted the idea that all of New Zealand’s problems
    can be blamed on the rich.

    “I know what my taxes are and I know I was on that list cause I was
    made to fill it out, and I know there’s a hell of a lot more wealthy
    people that are not on the list that are a lot wealthier than we are.
    But I know how much nominal tax I pay and the answer is, a truckload.
    Mm-hmm. So yeah, when 2 per cent of people are paying a quarter of all
    personal tax and 25 per cent are paying, or 20 per cent are paying
    about 70 per cent of it, well, if that’s not enough, what is enough?"

    Of course Key and Luxon are both happy to be ''entitled" to more than
    others - but they do not want any real discussion on tax rates - the
    last thing they would want is to have New Zealand adopt rates similar
    to most other countries - they know that Australia, the UK, the USA
    and many others have higher income tax rates for the wealthy than New
    Zealand, and that those countries do not have the property loopholes
    that so distort our investment markets that we sell off our companies
    to overseas owners while putting out own money into property where tax
    on the capital gains can be avoided . . .

    and from
    https://thestandard.org.nz/you-can-never-have-too-many-teslas/

    "The incident highlights four problems for National.

    Firstly how out of touch is it to want to own two Teslas, especially
    when one is being paid for by the taxpayer? And especially when day
    after day you rail against inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending.

    Secondly how hypocritical is it to publicly rail against Government
    support to individuals to buy Teslas to get the country’s car fleet
    emissions down but think that a Tesla for the National Party leader is
    fine.

    Thirdly how bad is Luxon’s political judgment that he would even think
    of getting a state supplied Tesla let alone actually ordering one.

    And fourthly National is clearly leaking again.

    There is a pattern developing here. I cannot believe how accident
    prone Luxon is. And how he cannot see how hypocritical it is to rail
    against Tesla subsidies and inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending but to then order a Government supplied Tesla when he already
    has one."

    So there is just enough time for someone to try and "Do a Jacinda" by
    replacing Luxon - would it be Willis? Is this Uffindell's time? or is
    Judith just waiting to take over when Luxon resigns after the
    election?

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 14 19:35:13 2023
    On Wed, 14 Jun 2023 12:20:01 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/tesla-recoil-christopher-luxon-ordered-then-cancelled-taxpayer-funded-tesla-while-criticising-tesla-subsidies/D6BMKILVY5DTNBYS6E7YHISKR4/

    "The Herald understands Luxon was talked out of ordering the car by
    horrified staff and at least one senior MP, who believed the purchase
    would be a massive political risk."

    And there on the same page was another tone-deaf ex-Nat politician: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/ask-me-anything-sir-john-key-talks-to-paula-bennett-about-politics-ambition-and-raising-kids/ECKOIG7SYFEVBFYUHT3E7W73JE/?dicbo=v2-lbruitL&&ref=topbox

    ". . . .Key is not a fan of the recent IRD report, which showed that
    while wealthier New Zealanders pay more tax overall, they pay lower
    tax rates than other earners.

    Key said the analysis was “so pathetic” that he doesn’t see why it was >published, and lambasted the idea that all of New Zealand’s problems
    can be blamed on the rich.

    “I know what my taxes are and I know I was on that list cause I was
    made to fill it out, and I know there’s a hell of a lot more wealthy
    people that are not on the list that are a lot wealthier than we are.
    But I know how much nominal tax I pay and the answer is, a truckload.
    Mm-hmm. So yeah, when 2 per cent of people are paying a quarter of all >personal tax and 25 per cent are paying, or 20 per cent are paying
    about 70 per cent of it, well, if that’s not enough, what is enough?"

    Of course Key and Luxon are both happy to be ''entitled" to more than
    others - but they do not want any real discussion on tax rates - the
    last thing they would want is to have New Zealand adopt rates similar
    to most other countries - they know that Australia, the UK, the USA
    and many others have higher income tax rates for the wealthy than New >Zealand, and that those countries do not have the property loopholes
    that so distort our investment markets that we sell off our companies
    to overseas owners while putting out own money into property where tax
    on the capital gains can be avoided . . .

    and from
    https://thestandard.org.nz/you-can-never-have-too-many-teslas/

    "The incident highlights four problems for National.

    Firstly how out of touch is it to want to own two Teslas, especially
    when one is being paid for by the taxpayer? And especially when day
    after day you rail against inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending.

    Secondly how hypocritical is it to publicly rail against Government
    support to individuals to buy Teslas to get the country’s car fleet
    emissions down but think that a Tesla for the National Party leader is
    fine.

    Thirdly how bad is Luxon’s political judgment that he would even think
    of getting a state supplied Tesla let alone actually ordering one.

    And fourthly National is clearly leaking again.

    There is a pattern developing here. I cannot believe how accident
    prone Luxon is. And how he cannot see how hypocritical it is to rail
    against Tesla subsidies and inappropriate and wasteful Government
    spending but to then order a Government supplied Tesla when he already
    has one."

    So there is just enough time for someone to try and "Do a Jacinda" by >replacing Luxon - would it be Willis? Is this Uffindell's time? or is
    Judith just waiting to take over when Luxon resigns after the
    election?

    Yet again Rich you post what amounts to a pointless diatribe in an
    attempt to discredit a political party. If there is any political
    party that espouses "Me First!" rhetoric it is NZ First - you cannot
    even correctly attribute this.

    With National there are indeed issues of credibility of both the Party
    and its Parliamentary Leader, but the record of Labour in Government
    for delivery on past policies and the emergence of Water reforms with nationwide co-governance renders National's deficiencies to be
    insignificant. For the first time since 1974, National and its leader
    have promised to repeal legislation passed by the current Labour
    government. That is good enough for a sizeable proportion of voters
    it would seem and clearly this rattles your cage with posts like this.


    --
    Crash McBash

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