It's old but still compelling. https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 9:32:44 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
It's old but still compelling.
https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
An interesting watch. Thanks for sharing.
Stand by for a Rich meltdown :)
It's old but still compelling. >https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyThat is exactly what those scientists say.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
The blurb under the video does not auger well for truth - it says "We
are told that man-made global warming is the biggest ever threat to >mankind. There is no room for scientific doubt. " - but of course that
is not what scientists say
affected by cosmic events, by tides, erosion, earthquakes, storms andSo you say from a lay perspective and from an extreme left political perspective.
the growth of plants and animals as well as humanity. Some large
events in the history of the planet have been from our planet being
hit from outside - a large impact in the north is said to have caused
an ice age - an impact in what is now New Zealand caused the formation
of Lake Taupo.
But mankind has changed the surface on which we live - we have mined,
farmed, burned, created cities, destroyed forests, polluted rivers and
the sea (most recently with millions of small plastic particles in our
seas, and manmade chemicals in our atmosphere) that have changed our >environment. While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming. Scientists believe that
it is possible to slow some of that change by reducing some of our
actions. The scope of change that we can influence is not clear, but
it is clear that increased catastrophic events are a real threat to
mankind - but not necessarily the biggest ever such threat.
Such over-reach indicates that the article is not worth reading.You are so well controlled by your masters that you cannot ever, that is ever, intertain any other opinions or truths.
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), TonySeeing your nym attached to a post augers no chance for any truth Rich!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/The blurb under the video does not auger well for truth - it says "We
are told that “man-made global warming” is the biggest ever threat to mankind. There is no room for scientific doubt. " - but of course that
is not what scientists say. We live on the surface of a planet that is affected by cosmic events, by tides, erosion, earthquakes, storms and
the growth of plants and animals as well as humanity. Some large
events in the history of the planet have been from our planet being
hit from outside - a large impact in the north is said to have caused
an ice age - an impact in what is now New Zealand caused the formation
of Lake Taupo.
But mankind has changed the surface on which we live - we have mined, farmed, burned, created cities, destroyed forests, polluted rivers and
the sea (most recently with millions of small plastic particles in our
seas, and manmade chemicals in our atmosphere) that have changed our environment. While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming. Scientists believe that
it is possible to slow some of that change by reducing some of our
actions. The scope of change that we can influence is not clear, but
it is clear that increased catastrophic events are a real threat to
mankind - but not necessarily the biggest ever such threat.
Such over-reach indicates that the article is not worth reading.
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming.
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhile relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:Typical twaddle from Rich in support of the climate swindle! Nothing you've said here contradicts anything in the video you refuse to watch because you're incapable and in fact most likely scared, of having your mind changed Rich! No scientific proof, no
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhile relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports, but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come
slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps
confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join
the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events; either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other
countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four
major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting
those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best
interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies
that seek to create winners and losers from most situations - New
Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working
together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in
looking after those that are more vulnerable. National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and
that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at
least partially met by government.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/Pity that. It'd save us $billions in senseless and inflation causing inflation! Nice link even if it's seven years old and is a follow up to something Helen Clark set us going on!
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not
part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our
government over the next 20 years.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Perhaps it should be, have you ever considered that? Nah!
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhile relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports, but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come
slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps
confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join
the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events; either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other
countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four
major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting
targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting
those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best
interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies
that seek to create winners and losers from most situations - New
Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working
together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in
looking after those that are more vulnerable. National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and
that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at
least partially met by government.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not
part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our
government over the next 20 years.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhile relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
It's old but still compelling. >>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing
to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports,
but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come
slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps
confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join
the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events;
either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other
countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four
major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting
targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting
those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best
interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies
that seek to create winners and losers from most situations -
New Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working >together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in
looking after those that are more vulnerable.
National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and
that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at
least partially met by government.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not
part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our
government over the next 20 years.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:45:17 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>Indeed; I apologise to you, but I had not realised that you were not
wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
It's old but still compelling. >>>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing >>>>to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports,
Speculation, not evidence.
but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come >>slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps
confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join
the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events;
How was it possible to rule out the effects of the Tongan volcano
eruption on the recent weather?
No, we should meet the targets to assist our country and othereither directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other
countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four
major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting >>targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting
those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best
interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies
that seek to create winners and losers from most situations -
In other words, we should meet these "targets", not to help "save the
planet" (that's a joke), but because we have been held to ransom by
overseas political interests. Nothing to do with "climate change",
everything to do with politics.
Are you referring to deficit spending? If so what government are youNew Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working >>together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in
looking after those that are more vulnerable.
Nobody benefits from any co-operative effort to destroy the economy by >defecit spending and trying to fix a problem that nobody can prove
exists.
National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and
that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >>ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at >>least partially met by government.
Produce the evidence for " dangerous man made climate change". Not >speculation, "scientific reports" or "consensus". Show the evidence
and how the conclusions were arrived at. You can't, because there
isn't any. The historic racord dating back 50 years is replete with
failed climate disaster predictions. I defy you or anyone else to
provide one example of a man made climate disaster prediction that has
proved to be true.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not
part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our
government over the next 20 years.
There is no greater example of blatant hubris than a bunch of
politicians who believe they can effect the climate by implementing
bans, high taxes and regulations, but that is the snake oil that they
are selling. The same quackery that you are promoting. You are all
frauds.
Bill.
On 2023-06-13, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Nothing Gordon, the people who are missing it all are those who think that carbon credits actually work. They don't reduce CO2 and even if they did we don't actually need to reduce it. The earth is just doing what it has done for millenia - and is ifnoring the silliness of mankind.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:59:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Indeed it is. There is an alternative view which says climates changes, >always has. Then there is the narrative trying to instill fear and control >into the masses.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:45:17 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Indeed; I apologise to you, but I had not realised that you were not
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
It's old but still compelling. >>>>>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing >>>>>>to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports,
Speculation, not evidence.
capable of such a simple search - the evidence is there but you do
need to be motivated to find it and read it . . .
but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come >>>>slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps >>>>confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join >>>>the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events;
How was it possible to rule out the effects of the Tongan volcano >>>eruption on the recent weather?
This is a good question. By the estimate it piled a great volume of water >into the atmoshpere and it was expected to return to earth. I have seen no >estimate for the time for nature to deal with this glitch.
I am not aware that the Tongan volcano eruption has been rules out of
having an effect on recent weather - do you have a reference for that?
No, we should meet the targets to assist our country and other
either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other >>>>countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four >>>>major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting >>>>targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting >>>>those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best >>>>interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies >>>>that seek to create winners and losers from most situations -
In other words, we should meet these "targets", not to help "save the >>>planet" (that's a joke), but because we have been held to ransom by >>>overseas political interests. Nothing to do with "climate change", >>>everything to do with politics.
countries to avoid what could be catastrophic effects of weather
patterns should nothing be done. The terms of that contract were
agreed by our governments.
Here is a thought. An article in Stuff this morning
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/
is about the Government selling $2B worth of carbon credits. This allows the >buyer to power out CO2.
Taking a step back, is the world, and NZ, trying to reduce C02? Okay, the NZ >Government is allowing more CO2 into the atmosphere. What the hell am I >missing?
Are you referring to deficit spending? If so what government are youNew Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working >>>>together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in >>>>looking after those that are more vulnerable.
Nobody benefits from any co-operative effort to destroy the economy by >>>defecit spending and trying to fix a problem that nobody can prove >>>exists.
referring to, and what problem are you referring to?
National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and >>>>that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >>>>ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at >>>>least partially met by government.
Produce the evidence for " dangerous man made climate change". Not >>>speculation, "scientific reports" or "consensus". Show the evidence
and how the conclusions were arrived at. You can't, because there
isn't any. The historic racord dating back 50 years is replete with >>>failed climate disaster predictions. I defy you or anyone else to
provide one example of a man made climate disaster prediction that has >>>proved to be true.
See above - it is available to those that are able to do a simple
computer search - I am sure you could ask someone to help you; you
appear to be able to type responses to usenet posts so you should have
little difficulty.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not >>>>part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our >>>>government over the next 20 years.
There is no greater example of blatant hubris than a bunch of
politicians who believe they can effect the climate by implementing
bans, high taxes and regulations, but that is the snake oil that they
are selling. The same quackery that you are promoting. You are all >>>frauds.
Bill.
What are the bans, high taxes and regulations that you are referring
to, Bill?
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-06-13, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:59:14 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:Indeed it is. There is an alternative view which says climates changes, >always has. Then there is the narrative trying to instill fear and control >into the masses.
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:45:17 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:Indeed; I apologise to you, but I had not realised that you were not
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
It's old but still compelling. >>>>>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing >>>>>>to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the >>>>international scientific reports,
Speculation, not evidence.
capable of such a simple search - the evidence is there but you do
need to be motivated to find it and read it . . .
but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come >>>>slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps >>>>confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join >>>>the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident >>>>of extreme weather events;
How was it possible to rule out the effects of the Tongan volcano >>>eruption on the recent weather?
This is a good question. By the estimate it piled a great volume of water >into the atmoshpere and it was expected to return to earth. I have seen no >estimate for the time for nature to deal with this glitch.
I am not aware that the Tongan volcano eruption has been rules out of
having an effect on recent weather - do you have a reference for that?
No, we should meet the targets to assist our country and other
either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other >>>>countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four >>>>major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting >>>>targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting >>>>those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best >>>>interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies >>>>that seek to create winners and losers from most situations -
In other words, we should meet these "targets", not to help "save the >>>planet" (that's a joke), but because we have been held to ransom by >>>overseas political interests. Nothing to do with "climate change", >>>everything to do with politics.
countries to avoid what could be catastrophic effects of weather
patterns should nothing be done. The terms of that contract were
agreed by our governments.
Here is a thought. An article in Stuff this morning
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/
is about the Government selling $2B worth of carbon credits. This allows the
buyer to power out CO2.
Taking a step back, is the world, and NZ, trying to reduce C02? Okay, the NZNothing Gordon, the people who are missing it all are those who think that carbon credits actually work. They don't reduce CO2 and even if they did we don't actually need to reduce it. The earth is just doing what it has done for
Government is allowing more CO2 into the atmosphere. What the hell am I >missing?
millenia - and is ifnoring the silliness of mankind.
Are you referring to deficit spending? If so what government are youNew Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working >>>>together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in >>>>looking after those that are more vulnerable.
Nobody benefits from any co-operative effort to destroy the economy by >>>defecit spending and trying to fix a problem that nobody can prove >>>exists.
referring to, and what problem are you referring to?
National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and >>>>that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >>>>ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at >>>>least partially met by government.
Produce the evidence for " dangerous man made climate change". Not >>>speculation, "scientific reports" or "consensus". Show the evidence >>>and how the conclusions were arrived at. You can't, because there >>>isn't any. The historic racord dating back 50 years is replete with >>>failed climate disaster predictions. I defy you or anyone else to >>>provide one example of a man made climate disaster prediction that has >>>proved to be true.
See above - it is available to those that are able to do a simple
computer search - I am sure you could ask someone to help you; you
appear to be able to type responses to usenet posts so you should have
little difficulty.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >>>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not >>>>part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our >>>>government over the next 20 years.
There is no greater example of blatant hubris than a bunch of >>>politicians who believe they can effect the climate by implementing >>>bans, high taxes and regulations, but that is the snake oil that they >>>are selling. The same quackery that you are promoting. You are all >>>frauds.
Bill.
What are the bans, high taxes and regulations that you are referring
to, Bill?
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:59:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:45:17 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Indeed; I apologise to you, but I had not realised that you were not
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
It's old but still compelling. >>>>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing >>>>>to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports,
Speculation, not evidence.
capable of such a simple search - the evidence is there but you do
need to be motivated to find it and read it . . .
but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come >>>slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps
confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join >>>the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events;
How was it possible to rule out the effects of the Tongan volcano
eruption on the recent weather?
I am not aware that the Tongan volcano eruption has been rules out of
having an effect on recent weather - do you have a reference for that?
No, we should meet the targets to assist our country and other
either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other
countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four >>>major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting >>>targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting >>>those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best
interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies >>>that seek to create winners and losers from most situations -
In other words, we should meet these "targets", not to help "save the >>planet" (that's a joke), but because we have been held to ransom by >>overseas political interests. Nothing to do with "climate change", >>everything to do with politics.
countries to avoid what could be catastrophic effects of weather
patterns should nothing be done. The terms of that contract were
agreed by our governments.
Are you referring to deficit spending? If so what government are you referring to, and what problem are you referring to?New Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working >>>together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in
looking after those that are more vulnerable.
Nobody benefits from any co-operative effort to destroy the economy by >>defecit spending and trying to fix a problem that nobody can prove
exists.
National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and
that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >>>ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at >>>least partially met by government.
Produce the evidence for " dangerous man made climate change". Not >>speculation, "scientific reports" or "consensus". Show the evidence
and how the conclusions were arrived at. You can't, because there
isn't any. The historic racord dating back 50 years is replete with
failed climate disaster predictions. I defy you or anyone else to
provide one example of a man made climate disaster prediction that has >>proved to be true.
See above - it is available to those that are able to do a simple
computer search - I am sure you could ask someone to help you; you
appear to be able to type responses to usenet posts so you should have
little difficulty.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not >>>part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our >>>government over the next 20 years.
There is no greater example of blatant hubris than a bunch of
politicians who believe they can effect the climate by implementing
bans, high taxes and regulations, but that is the snake oil that they
are selling. The same quackery that you are promoting. You are all
frauds.
Bill.
What are the bans, high taxes and regulations that you are referring
to, Bill?
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 17:59:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 08:45:17 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:Indeed; I apologise to you, but I had not realised that you were not
On Mon, 12 Jun 2023 06:43:14 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Jun 2023 16:10:11 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 21:32:42 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:While relatively small, it has been shown that mankind
It's old but still compelling. >>>>>>https://wide-awake-media.com/great-global-warming-swindle/
has influenced our weather and climate, and that this is contributing >>>>>to extreme weather events, and global warming.
How has it been shown? How was this "influence" measured?
Bill.
I am sure you can search for "Climate Change" and see the
international scientific reports,
Speculation, not evidence.
capable of such a simple search - the evidence is there but you do
need to be motivated to find it and read it . . .
but for many the recognition that
New Zealand needed to be involved in the efforts to mitigate has come >>>slowly - with the extreme weather events of this year perhaps
confirming the commitment made by our government some time ago to join >>>the rest of the world in seeking to mitigate and reduce the incident
of extreme weather events;
How was it possible to rule out the effects of the Tongan volcano
eruption on the recent weather?
I am not aware that the Tongan volcano eruption has been rules out of
having an effect on recent weather - do you have a reference for that?
either directly in New Zealand or, should
we fail to meet agreed targets, by contributing money to other
countries to assist them meet those joint targets. Three of our four >>>major parties are committed to those goals; and also see that meeting >>>targets ourselves is preferable to the financial cost of not meeting >>>those targets - I suspect that unwillingness to act in the best
interests of New Zealand and the world will limit support for policies >>>that seek to create winners and losers from most situations -
In other words, we should meet these "targets", not to help "save the >>planet" (that's a joke), but because we have been held to ransom by >>overseas political interests. Nothing to do with "climate change", >>everything to do with politics.
No, we should meet the targets to assist our country and other
countries to avoid what could be
catastrophic effects of weather
patterns should nothing be done. The terms of that contract were
agreed by our governments.
New Zealanders inherently understand that we all benefit from working >>>together - whether that be in sport, or in our workplaces, or in
looking after those that are more vulnerable.
Nobody benefits from any co-operative effort to destroy the economy by >>defecit spending and trying to fix a problem that nobody can prove
exists.
Are you referring to deficit spending? If so what government are you >referring to, and what problem are you referring to?
National, Labour and The
Green Party all believe in equal opportunities for our children, and
that the effects of extreme climate affect our ability to achieve such >>>ideals, but also hurt us indiscriminately - with costs that must be at >>>least partially met by government.
Produce the evidence for " dangerous man made climate change". Not >>speculation, "scientific reports" or "consensus". Show the evidence
and how the conclusions were arrived at. You can't, because there
isn't any. The historic racord dating back 50 years is replete with
failed climate disaster predictions. I defy you or anyone else to
provide one example of a man made climate disaster prediction that has >>proved to be true.
See above - it is available to those that are able to do a simple
computer search - I am sure you could ask someone to help you; you
appear to be able to type responses to usenet posts so you should have
little difficulty.
So the commitment to join in world action reported here: >>>https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/paula-bennett-signs-historic-climate-change-agreement/UBODDVDRZUUVXZTRGL54LARSH4/
was largely welcomed at the time, and reversing that commitment is not >>>part of the policies of the two parties most likely to lead our >>>government over the next 20 years.
There is no greater example of blatant hubris than a bunch of
politicians who believe they can effect the climate by implementing
bans, high taxes and regulations, but that is the snake oil that they
are selling. The same quackery that you are promoting. You are all
frauds.
Bill.
What are the bans, high taxes and regulations that you are referring
to, Bill?
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