Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >https://iea.org.uk/publications/did-lockdowns-work-the-verdict-on-covid-restrictions/#

For Rich and the rest of us. Enough reading for any wet Sunday.

Once again the alternative view point is vindicated. Add it to the pile of >failures.

Well, thank you Gordon.
The fact is, vested interests will refute this using personal attacks and unscientific prose.
All I ask, and dare I say, all you ask, is for balance and open mindedness. Let's hope we see that.

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https://iea.org.uk/publications/did-lockdowns-work-the-verdict-on-covid-restrictions/#

For Rich and the rest of us. Enough reading for any wet Sunday.

Once again the alternative view point is vindicated. Add it to the pile of failures.

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On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 05:38:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://iea.org.uk/publications/did-lockdowns-work-the-verdict-on-covid-restrictions/#

For Rich and the rest of us. Enough reading for any wet Sunday.

Once again the alternative view point is vindicated. Add it to the pile of >>failures.

Well, thank you Gordon.
The fact is, vested interests will refute this using personal attacks and >unscientific prose.
All I ask, and dare I say, all you ask, is for balance and open mindedness. >Let's hope we see that.

Balance and open mindedness would be much easier if the actual paper
had been able to be downloaded - the abstract is interesting but
leaves out a lot about methodology, but I believe on the basis of
other reports we can agree with the general conclusion in the abstract
that the lockdowns and other Covid restrictions imposed by the UK
government were not effective. I doubt that will surprise anyone who
has followed the comparisons of results.

See for example: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&time=earliest..2023-05-01&uniformYAxis=0&country=OWID_WRL~USA~AUS~NZL~GBR

and

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&time=earliest..2023-05-01&country=USA~GBR~FRA~NOR~SWE~DEU~ITA~BEL~NLD
from which it is clear that the UK did better than the United States
and Italy, but worse than France, Norway, Sweden, Germany. Belgium and
the Netherlands. The comparison of Sweden and Norway is perhaps
instructive - Sweden experimented with fairly shortly after the
pandemic hit; you can see the "Excess deaths" increased over that of
Norway in around April / May 2020, but as they re-imposed restrictions
their excess mortality came back more in line with Norway, although
their 'excess deaths per 100,000 people are still higher than for
Norway.

Was anyone able to download the full paper from the iea.org.uk
website?

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Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 05:38:31 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://iea.org.uk/publications/did-lockdowns-work-the-verdict-on-covid-restrictions/#

For Rich and the rest of us. Enough reading for any wet Sunday.

Once again the alternative view point is vindicated. Add it to the pile of >>>failures.

Well, thank you Gordon.
The fact is, vested interests will refute this using personal attacks and >>unscientific prose.
All I ask, and dare I say, all you ask, is for balance and open mindedness. >>Let's hope we see that.

Balance and open mindedness would be much easier if the actual paper
had been able to be downloaded - the abstract is interesting but
leaves out a lot about methodology, but I believe on the basis of
other reports we can agree with the general conclusion in the abstract
that the lockdowns and other Covid restrictions imposed by the UK
government were not effective. I doubt that will surprise anyone who
has followed the comparisons of results.

I downloaded it fine. It is very long and extremely detailed.
There is no doubt that the writers believe that lockdowns do not offer a balanced and effective way to control pandemics of the sort that we endured. The damage to society as a whole (economic, social, health etc.) are clear. The fact that this is from the UK is immaterial, it applies equally to NZ.

See for example: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&time=earliest..2023-05-01&uniformYAxis=0&country=OWID_WRL~USA~AUS~NZL~GBR

and

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/excess-deaths-cumulative-per-100k-economist?tab=chart&time=earliest..2023-05-01&country=USA~GBR~FRA~NOR~SWE~DEU~ITA~BEL~NLD
from which it is clear that the UK did better than the United States
and Italy, but worse than France, Norway, Sweden, Germany. Belgium and
the Netherlands. The comparison of Sweden and Norway is perhaps
instructive - Sweden experimented with fairly shortly after the
pandemic hit; you can see the "Excess deaths" increased over that of
Norway in around April / May 2020, but as they re-imposed restrictions
their excess mortality came back more in line with Norway, although
their 'excess deaths per 100,000 people are still higher than for
Norway.

See above - copntinued defense of this (and other) government's actions are no longer sustainable.

Was anyone able to download the full paper from the iea.org.uk
website?

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On Sun, 11 Jun 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

Was anyone able to download the full paper from the iea.org.uk
website?

Scroll to the bottom and download from there -- use the download icon
in the upper right corner of that "fullscreen mode" display -- you may
have to do it twice but it will come.

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