• National shows its word cannot be trusted

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 16:36:45 2023
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new
    subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and
    cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will
    continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jun 1 07:58:26 2023
    On 2023-06-01, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and
    cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

    Urban sprawl was "demanded" after world war 2. You know women had on
    average twice the number they do to-day and families stayed to-gether.
    Children played in the back yard and home vege gardens where in vogue.

    Now it is a question of life style that is demanded, you know sunshine
    in winter and not too many cars parking hither and beyond in place for
    which there is no parking.

    Rich, from what I have seen it is the Woke sct whom are weak apart from
    the Posie bashing crowd.

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  • From Ras Mikaere@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 00:16:27 2023
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Gordon on Thu Jun 1 14:11:12 2023
    On Thursday, June 1, 2023 at 7:58:30 PM UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-06-01, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .
    Urban sprawl was "demanded" after world war 2. You know women had on
    average twice the number they do to-day and families stayed to-gether. Children played in the back yard and home vege gardens where in vogue.

    Now it is a question of life style that is demanded, you know sunshine
    in winter and not too many cars parking hither and beyond in place for
    which there is no parking.

    Rich, from what I have seen it is the Woke sct whom are weak apart from
    the Posie bashing crowd.
    Labour wants create ghetto where they can recruit more voters to push their desire for control over the masses...

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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 14:56:48 2023
    On Thursday, 1 June 2023 at 16:37:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and
    cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

    Here is a much better example of a political party that cannot be trusted... because they keep getting caught lying:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/prime-minister-s-staff-knew-education-minister-jan-tinetti-s-office-was-holding-up-attendance-data.html

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 2 11:32:03 2023
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 1 June 2023 at 16:37:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new
    subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new
    subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and
    cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided
    internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will
    continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

    Here is a much better example of a political party that cannot be trusted... because they keep getting caught lying:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/prime-minister-s-staff-knew-education-minister-jan-tinetti-s-office-was-holding-up-attendance-data.html
    Off topic, John - try a new thread . . .

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Jun 1 23:55:27 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 1 June 2023 at 16:37:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new
    subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new
    subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and
    cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided
    internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will
    continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

    Here is a much better example of a political party that cannot be trusted... >>because they keep getting caught lying: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/prime-minister-s-staff-knew-education-minister-jan-tinetti-s-office-was-holding-up-attendance-data.html
    Off topic, John - try a new thread . . .
    Wow the newsgroup's most off topic poster now gets pissed off because people don't do as he wants, that's you Rich.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Jun 1 18:12:59 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:55:29 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Thursday, 1 June 2023 at 16:37:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge >>> of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new
    subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns >>> for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new
    subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and >>> cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided
    internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will >>> continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether >>> they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

    Here is a much better example of a political party that cannot be trusted...
    because they keep getting caught lying: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/prime-minister-s-staff-knew-education-minister-jan-tinetti-s-office-was-holding-up-attendance-data.html
    Off topic, John - try a new thread . . .
    Wow the newsgroup's most off topic poster now gets pissed off because people don't do as he wants, that's you Rich.
    Typical supporter of a draconian and tyrannical party throwing a fit because someone points out just how untrustworthy his inglorious Labour party is. Hell Labour could give National lessons on dirty politics and authoritarian practice and Rich knows it!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 18:10:35 2023
    On Friday, June 2, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:56:48 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <john...@gmail.com>
    wrote:
    On Thursday, 1 June 2023 at 16:37:25 UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/132194066/morgan-godfery-human-right-to-housing-obscured-by-back-and-forth-about-density

    National appear to be captured by the people that own land on the edge
    of residential areas, who want to see development on their land, and
    don't care about the costs of infrastructure - that just gets passed
    on to purchasers.

    Most of New Zealand wants the areas that have been devastated by
    flooding to be repaired - they do not want the workers that can fix
    roads and clean water / storm water / sewage to be diverted onto new
    subdivisions that include market gardens that are vital to local towns
    for food supply . . . it is cheaper to manage local town and city
    systems to cope with greater intensification than to pay for new
    subdivisions. For roads, the priority is restoring those that were
    washed away - the potholes arising from low maintenance pre-2017 (and
    cheap builds in that time as well) will just have to wait their turn
    in priorities, but all of them are more important than increasing
    urban sprawl just to benefit a few landowners.

    The u-turn by National shows how fragile they are - they are divided
    internally, and Luxon clearly feels he has to move closer to ACT
    policies to slow down the drift to that party of many of their
    supporters - the question they have not answered is whether they will
    continue to support the electorate seat for Seymour, and also whether
    they will repeat that for another deal in the interests of keeping
    their party vote percentage higher than it would be otherwise . . .

    Here is a much better example of a political party that cannot be trusted... because they keep getting caught lying:
    https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/prime-minister-s-staff-knew-education-minister-jan-tinetti-s-office-was-holding-up-attendance-data.html
    Off topic, John - try a new thread . . .
    Not by a long shot Rich! The topic is trust in political parties! My post is about the most untrustworthy political party in NZ history and_you_know_it! So it's right on topic no matter what you might try and deny!

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  • From Ras Mikaere@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 1 19:40:10 2023
    TRUTH KNOWS NO LIMITS --
    RICH80105 IS CORRECT IN PESTERING PEOPLE IN THIS NEW ZEALAND
    NEWSGROUP -- AND REMINDING THEM THAT THEIR OFF-TOPIC LINKS
    AND TOPICS -- ARE THE REASON WHY OTHER NEWSGROUPS HAVE
    FAILED TOTALLY -- THANKS TONY PHONEY BALOGNE FOR GETTING
    THAT BALL ROLLING -- AND LIKE A REAL LARGE SEWER OUTLET IN
    SOME LATINO COUNTRY -- UN-REGULATED OF COURSE -- TONY IS
    EAGER TO TURN ON THE SPIGOT FULL FORCE -- SPAM DIARRHEA.

    THANK YOU RICH80105.

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