Do these guys not know that Covid is now epidemic and that a study(s) of face masks
are not effective?
On 27 May 2023 07:53:09 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do these guys not know that Covid is now epidemic and that a study(s) of face masks
are not effective?
"endemic" not "epidemic", Gordon. After that, "studies... are not effective"? Care in posting is good.
On 27 May 2023 07:53:09 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do these guys not know that Covid is now epidemic and that a study(s) of face masks
are not effective?
"endemic" not "epidemic", Gordon. After that, "studies... are not >effective"? Care in posting is good.
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid,
but that they are sufficiently effective that
most hospitals and medical practices require the use of masks; they do
reduce the risk of spreading infection,
and Covid can have much more serious
effect if it is caught at the same time as other viruses.
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
but that they are sufficiently effective that
most hospitals and medical practices require the use of masks; they do >>reduce the risk of spreading infection,
Good effing joke, last August I caught covid from a mask-wearer -- the
only one in the room wearing a mask! Our clinics still wear masks
because their masters are deluded, the nurses take them off once
they're out of sight of the waiting room, except the receptionists
behind glass who take them off anyway. Compliance of the patients is
down to about 80% now, and falling. You are so dumb, Rich.
and Covid can have much more serious
effect if it is caught at the same time as other viruses.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a
little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:The government has never pretended that masks are all anyone needs -
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich,
and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise.
Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask
properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't
wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those
did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others
regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune
system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are
puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm
only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the
original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing
all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into
Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a
little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at,
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than
due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did
not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum
immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by
the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in
circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass
GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do
nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year;
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask
properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't
wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those
did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others
regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a
little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at,
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than
due to no precautions.
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year;
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich,
and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise.
You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect mostClearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask
properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't
wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those
did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others
regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune
system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are
puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm
only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the
original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing
all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into
Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but youYour covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a
little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at,
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than
due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did
not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum
immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by
the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in
circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass
GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do
nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year;
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich,
and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise.
really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure
they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic
period, but that single decision worked.
And how does this look in comparison https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect mostClearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask
properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those
did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune
system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are
puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm
only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the
original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing
all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into
Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today.
people to agree with you.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at,
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than
due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did
not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that
latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same
results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow
I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . .
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by
the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in
circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass
GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do
nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy
Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year;
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy
Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself? >https://www.immunise.health.nz/
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)And how does this look in comparison >https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich,
and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise.
they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic
period, but that single decision worked.
You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect mostClearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are
puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm
only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the
original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing
all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into
Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today.
people to agree with you.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did
not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that
latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same
results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow
I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . .
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for the >OECD official figures?
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by
the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in
circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass
GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy
Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year;
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern then you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>wrote:And how does this look in comparison >>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich,
and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise.
they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic
period, but that single decision worked.
You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect mostClearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid >>>>is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are
puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing
all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today.
people to agree with you.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow
I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . .
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are
comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >unusual - from here: >https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are
relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the
point you were trying to illustrate?
The various figures do show that we are far from being past CovidThe figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
being a concern.
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for the >>OECD official figures?
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy
Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope thatWhy should I answer a question that was not put to me?
you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting
severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year; >>>>> the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern then >you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>wrote:And how does this look in comparison >>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>>>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise.
they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic
period, but that single decision worked.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but youClearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid >>>>>is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow >>>>I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . .
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are
comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>unusual - from here: >>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the
point you were trying to illustrate?
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths byThe figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid
being a concern.
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for the >>>OECD official figures?
As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy
Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that
you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are responding >instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year; >>>>>> the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 03:52:16 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On 27 May 2023 07:53:09 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do these guys not know that Covid is now epidemic and that a study(s) of face masks
are not effective?
"endemic" not "epidemic", Gordon. After that, "studies... are not >>effective"? Care in posting is good.
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid, but that they are sufficiently effective that
most hospitals and medical practices require the use of masks; they do
reduce the risk of spreading infection, not just of Covid but of other >infectious diseases as well - and Covid can have much more serious
effect if it is caught at the same time as other viruses.
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern >>then
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>wrote:And how does this look in comparison >>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>>>>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid >>>>>>is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>>>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>>>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow >>>>>I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . .
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are
comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>unusual - from here: >>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the
point you were trying to illustrate?
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
Do read the data. It is in English.The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths byThe figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid
being a concern.
week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for >>>>the
OECD official figures?
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time. >>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that
you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are responding >>instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year; >>>>>>> the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 03:52:16 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly)
wrote:
On 27 May 2023 07:53:09 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do these guys not know that Covid is now epidemic and that a study(s) of face masks
are not effective?
"endemic" not "epidemic", Gordon. After that, "studies... are not >>>effective"? Care in posting is good.
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid, but that they are sufficiently effective that
most hospitals and medical practices require the use of masks; they do >>reduce the risk of spreading infection, not just of Covid but of other >>infectious diseases as well - and Covid can have much more serious
effect if it is caught at the same time as other viruses.
One of your gods Bloomfield said at the outset they were useless but
he was overruled by your Goddess Jacinda and Sir Chippy who
demanded that we all wear if we didn't we could be arrested.
On Mon, 29 May 2023 17:06:34 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>Currently they do it because it is the law!
wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 03:52:16 GMT, willy...@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>wrote:
On 27 May 2023 07:53:09 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do these guys not know that Covid is now epidemic and that a study(s) of face masks
are not effective?
"endemic" not "epidemic", Gordon. After that, "studies... are not >>>effective"? Care in posting is good.
Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid, but that they are sufficiently effective that >>most hospitals and medical practices require the use of masks; they do >>reduce the risk of spreading infection, not just of Covid but of other >>infectious diseases as well - and Covid can have much more serious >>effect if it is caught at the same time as other viruses.
One of your gods Bloomfield said at the outset they were useless butGot a cite for that, Mutley? I can imagine him saying that a mask is
he was overruled by your Goddess Jacinda and Sir Chippy who
demanded that we all wear if we didn't we could be arrested.
not sufficient to stop all infections; but that is not at all the
same as your statement . . .
Plenty of Doctors routinely wear masks, in both GP surgeries and in hospitals - do you really believe they do that on the basis of no
evidence?
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which >>figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern >>>then
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at >>>>>>>>>>an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>>>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>>>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid >>>>>>>is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>>>>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>>>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>>>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>>>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>>>>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>>>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow >>>>>>I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . . >>>>>And how does this look in comparison >>>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are >>>>comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>>unusual - from here: >>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the >>>>point you were trying to illustrate?
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
18% + is the figure.
Do read the data. It is in English.
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths byThe figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid
being a concern.
week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for >>>>>the
OECD official figures?
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time. >>>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that >>>>you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are responding
instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year; >>>>>>>> the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it.
You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
On Mon, 29 May 2023 05:15:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is the change figure that matters.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which >>>figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern >>>>then
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>>>>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>>>>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid >>>>>>>>is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those >>>>>>>>>>boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>>>>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>>>>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>>>>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>>>>>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>>>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>>>>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow >>>>>>>I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . . >>>>>>And how does this look in comparison >>>>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are >>>>>comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>>>unusual - from here: >>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the >>>>>point you were trying to illustrate?
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
18% + is the figure.
I have looked again - which two numbers on the chart has one 18%
higher than the other? The two columns are Excess Deaths (number) and
Excess Deaths (% change from average) - and are given for a range of
week numbers from 1 to 13.
Do read the data. It is in English.
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths by >>>week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?The figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid >>>>>being a concern.
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for >>>>>>the
OECD official figures?
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?As far as I am concerned there is no down-side
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections,
Points for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>>>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time. >>>>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that >>>>>you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are >>>>responding
instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year; >>>>>>>>> the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it. >>>>>>>>You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Which one, Tony? There are 13 numbers under the heading "Excess Deaths
On Mon, 29 May 2023 05:15:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is the change figure that matters.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which >>>>figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern >>>>>then
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>>>>>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>>>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>>>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBRClearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>>>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the >>>>>>>>>>validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid >>>>>>>>>is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>>>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of those
boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm.
No problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at, >>>>>>>>>>my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it >>>>>>>>>>was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than >>>>>>>>>>due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most >>>>>>>>>covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>>>>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time. >>>>>>>>You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile.
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>>>>>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow >>>>>>>>I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . . >>>>>>>And how does this look in comparison >>>>>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are >>>>>>comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>>>>unusual - from here: >>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>>>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the >>>>>>point you were trying to illustrate?
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
18% + is the figure.
I have looked again - which two numbers on the chart has one 18%
higher than the other? The two columns are Excess Deaths (number) and >>Excess Deaths (% change from average) - and are given for a range of
week numbers from 1 to 13.
Do read the data. It is in English.
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths by >>>>week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?The figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid >>>>>>being a concern.
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation for >>>>>>>the
OECD official figures?
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself?As far as I am concerned there is no down-sidePoints for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>>>>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time. >>>>>>>>
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections, >>>>>>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that >>>>>>you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>>>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are >>>>>responding
instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this year; >>>>>>>>>> the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it. >>>>>>>>>You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
On Mon, 29 May 2023 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyI can't help your inability to find New Zealand and look at the change column which obviously shows averaghe % change each week since 2020. Some were bigger than 18 some smaller but all positive percentage changes.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Which one, Tony? There are 13 numbers under the heading "Excess Deaths
On Mon, 29 May 2023 05:15:14 -0000 (UTC), TonyIt is the change figure that matters.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which >>>>>figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern >>>>>>then
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thought >>>>>>>>>>>>>at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are >>>>>>>>>really the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>>>>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>>>>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those >>>>>>>>>>>did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the
validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>>>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>>>>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>>>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of >>>>>>>>>>>>thoseNo problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at,
boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm. >>>>>>>>>>>
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than
due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most
covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did >>>>>>>>>>not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time. >>>>>>>>>You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile. >>>>>>>>>See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid >>>>>>>>>mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow >>>>>>>>>I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . . >>>>>>>>And how does this look in comparison >>>>>>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are >>>>>>>comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>>>>>unusual - from here: >>>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>>>>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the >>>>>>>point you were trying to illustrate?
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
18% + is the figure.
I have looked again - which two numbers on the chart has one 18%
higher than the other? The two columns are Excess Deaths (number) and >>>Excess Deaths (% change from average) - and are given for a range of
week numbers from 1 to 13.
(% change from average); one for each week. None of those numbers are
18.
Just from the raw weekly numbers, it is clear that we are having aOff topic - this is about excess deaths.
small surge in cases - from the url I posted above we had 42 deaths
from Covid and 7 deaths where Covid was contributory in the last 28
day period reported; with over 200 in hospital and 8 in intensive care
in the most recent radio report I heard it is clear that Covid is not
over, and that as we enter winter it is appropriate that we take
precautions to protect ourselves and those we talk to - and that Covid >continues to use valuable hospital resources.
Do read the data. It is in English.
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths by >>>>>week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?The figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid >>>>>>>being a concern.
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation >>>>>>>>for
the
OECD official figures?
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself? >>>>>>>>>As far as I am concerned there is no down-sidePoints for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by >>>>>>>>>>the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>>>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time. >>>>>>>>>
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections, >>>>>>>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that >>>>>>>you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>>>>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are >>>>>>responding
instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this >>>>>>>>>>>year;You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it. >>>>>>>>>>
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Then why did you go off topic with weekly fluctuations in cases and
On Mon, 29 May 2023 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyI can't help your inability to find New Zealand and look at the change column >which obviously shows averaghe % change each week since 2020. Some were bigger >than 18 some smaller but all positive percentage changes.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Which one, Tony? There are 13 numbers under the heading "Excess Deaths
On Mon, 29 May 2023 05:15:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It is the change figure that matters.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset. >>>>>18% + is the figure.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which >>>>>>figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are international figures and if you believe they are not of concern
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some thoughtreally the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant >>>>>>>>>>decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this >>>>>>>>>>context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>>>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>>>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they are
Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren't >>>>>>>>>>>>wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of those
did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to the
validity of precautions which overall worked very well.
The mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given covid
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune >>>>>>>>>>>system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today. >>>>>>>>>>You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>>>>>>people to agree with you.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of >>>>>>>>>>>>>thoseNo problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked at,
boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a >>>>>>>>>>>>>little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm. >>>>>>>>>>>>
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather than
due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, most
covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they did
not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time. >>>>>>>>>>You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>>>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile. >>>>>>>>>>See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>>>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>>>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than pre-covid
mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. Somehow
I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . . >>>>>>>>>And how does this look in comparison >>>>>>>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are >>>>>>>>comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>>>>>>unusual - from here: >>>>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>>>>>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the >>>>>>>>point you were trying to illustrate?
then
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
I have looked again - which two numbers on the chart has one 18%
higher than the other? The two columns are Excess Deaths (number) and >>>>Excess Deaths (% change from average) - and are given for a range of >>>>week numbers from 1 to 13.
(% change from average); one for each week. None of those numbers are
18.
Off topic - this is about excess deaths.
Just from the raw weekly numbers, it is clear that we are having a
small surge in cases - from the url I posted above we had 42 deaths
from Covid and 7 deaths where Covid was contributory in the last 28
day period reported; with over 200 in hospital and 8 in intensive care
in the most recent radio report I heard it is clear that Covid is not
over, and that as we enter winter it is appropriate that we take >>precautions to protect ourselves and those we talk to - and that Covid >>continues to use valuable hospital resources.
Do read the data. It is in English.
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths by >>>>>>week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?The figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid >>>>>>>>being a concern.
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation >>>>>>>>>for
the
OECD official figures?
As far as I am concerned there is no down-sidePoints for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated by
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections, >>>>>>>>>>>
the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass >>>>>>>>>>>GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every time.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>>>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself? >>>>>>>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that >>>>>>>>you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>>>>>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are >>>>>>>responding
instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this >>>>>>>>>>>>year;You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it. >>>>>>>>>>>
On Tue, 30 May 2023 02:42:33 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am sorry you cannot follow a simple chart which is about excess deaths, it is not about covid deaths you fool..
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Then why did you go off topic with weekly fluctuations in cases and
On Mon, 29 May 2023 20:19:30 -0000 (UTC), TonyI can't help your inability to find New Zealand and look at the change column >>which obviously shows averaghe % change each week since 2020. Some were >>bigger
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Which one, Tony? There are 13 numbers under the heading "Excess Deaths
On Mon, 29 May 2023 05:15:14 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:It is the change figure that matters.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 29 May 2023 04:07:11 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The NZ ones would be a good start. Actually quite a small dataset. >>>>>>18% + is the figure.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:I did not say they are not of concern; I merely sought to know which >>>>>>>figures in that large set you were actually referring to.
On Sun, 28 May 2023 23:32:04 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:They are international figures and if you believe they are not of >>>>>>>>concern
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023 20:34:24 GMT, willynilly@qwert.com (Willy Nilly) >>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023 07:22:31 GMT, Willy Nilly wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 28 May 2023, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Studies have shown that masks are not as effective as some >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thoughtreally the scientific and health experts lines - the only significant
at
an early stage of Covid,
i.e., that *you* thought. Be clear.
They are about as effective as I have always thought
You have rarely posted any deviance from the government line, Rich, >>>>>>>>>>>>and this was not one of them. No use pretending otherwise. >>>>>>>>>>>Certainly I support the actions that the government took, but they >>>>>>>>>>>are
decision that the government made, and it is an important one in this
context, was to put lives and safety of New Zealanders first. Sure >>>>>>>>>>>they assisted businesses to continue through the Covid pandemic >>>>>>>>>>>period, but that single decision worked.
You are of course entitled to your opinion; just don't expect most >>>>>>>>>>>people to agree with you.Clearly you associate with people who either don't wear a mask >>>>>>>>>>>>>properly, or who still go out when showing symptoms, or you weren'tThe mental risks of being a hermit far exceed covid risks, given >>>>>>>>>>>>covid
wearing a good mask or not wearing it properly. Even if all of >>>>>>>>>>>>>those
did not apply, there is still a small risk in being with others >>>>>>>>>>>>>regardless of precautions. Your experience makes no difference to >>>>>>>>>>>>>the
validity of precautions which overall worked very well. >>>>>>>>>>>>
is flu-like in symptoms and risk. Nature provided us with an immune
system for this, and no more was required. Our "experts" are >>>>>>>>>>>>puffed-up snake-oil-prescribing ignorami who are able to cause harm >>>>>>>>>>>>only because people enact their idiotic policies. At least the >>>>>>>>>>>>original snake oil was not injected into peoples' bodies, bypassing >>>>>>>>>>>>all of Nature's protections. If all "experts" were thrown into >>>>>>>>>>>>Sparta's pit at the start of 2020, we would all be better off today.
Your covid track record is zero, Rich. Say, did you get any of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>thoseNo problem with your asking Willy Nilly, but any way it is looked >>>>>>>>>>>>>at,
boosters? You would have done if you had any integrity. I feel a
little guilty saying that, though -- I wish you no harm. >>>>>>>>>>>>>
my covid track record is good - I did actually get Covid once, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>it
was relatively mild; I think of it as despite precautions rather >>>>>>>>>>>>>than
due to no precautions.
Whereas I am proudly a "no precautions" man. Did you know, Rich, >>>>>>>>>>>>most
covid-vaccinated regret it today. All unvaccinated are glad they >>>>>>>>>>>>did
not have any. Go read some excess-deaths charts some time. >>>>>>>>>>>You probably think your unsupported assertions are correct, but you >>>>>>>>>>>are correct that excess deaths do say something worthwhile. >>>>>>>>>>>See actual numbers of excess deaths: >>>>>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-covid?country=USA~AUS~NZL~GBR
and excess deaths per million population: >>>>>>>>>>>https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-excess-deaths-per-million-covid?tab=chart&country=USA~GBR~AUS~NZL
If you put your curser over the end of the lines, you will see that >>>>>>>>>>>latest data gives excess deaths to date as:
United States: 3691 per million
United Kingdom : 3041 per million
Australia : 891 per million
New Zealand: -9 per million
So using 5 million as New Zealand's population, if we had the same >>>>>>>>>>>results as the USA we would have had 18,455 more deaths than >>>>>>>>>>>pre-covid
mortality - rather than the result of 45 fewer deaths overall. >>>>>>>>>>>Somehow
I think we would have noticed 18 thousand deaths from Covid . . . >>>>>>>>>>And how does this look in comparison >>>>>>>>>>https://stats.oecd.org/index.aspx?queryid=104676
That depends on what you consider "this" to be and what you are >>>>>>>>>comparing it to. An 18% change in the number of cases in a week is not >>>>>>>>>unusual - from here: >>>>>>>>>https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-current-cases#current-situation
it is clear that cases in the most recent week for New Zealand are >>>>>>>>>relatively high compared with the previous weeks. What was the >>>>>>>>>point you were trying to illustrate?
then
you have been convinced by your masters to ignore facts.
I have looked again - which two numbers on the chart has one 18% >>>>>higher than the other? The two columns are Excess Deaths (number) and >>>>>Excess Deaths (% change from average) - and are given for a range of >>>>>week numbers from 1 to 13.
(% change from average); one for each week. None of those numbers are
18.
than 18 some smaller but all positive percentage changes.
deaths (and with a made-up percentage of some unknown number by 18%!)
( You should have been able to see that weekly cases and deaths will >fluctuate from week to week - but none of what you raised has anything
to do with the change in overall deaths arising from the Covid
Pandemic.
To go back to excess deaths, do you have any disagreement with theCompletely off topic. Read the chart and address the figures.
reality that if we had the same covid experience as the USA we would
have had 18,455 more deaths than based on pre-covid
mortality - rather than the actual result for New Zealand of 45 fewer
deaths overall.
Off topic - this is about excess deaths.
Just from the raw weekly numbers, it is clear that we are having a
small surge in cases - from the url I posted above we had 42 deaths
from Covid and 7 deaths where Covid was contributory in the last 28
day period reported; with over 200 in hospital and 8 in intensive care
in the most recent radio report I heard it is clear that Covid is not >>>over, and that as we enter winter it is appropriate that we take >>>precautions to protect ourselves and those we talk to - and that Covid >>>continues to use valuable hospital resources.
Do read the data. It is in English.
The data set you posted said "Mortality (by week) : Excess deaths by >>>>>>>week, 2020-2023" Did you mean to refer to a different table?The figures are not about covid, they are about vaccination.
The various figures do show that we are far from being past Covid >>>>>>>>>being a concern.
Why should I answer a question that was not put to me?
More than 18% increase in excess deaths - do you have an explanation >>>>>>>>>>for
the
OECD official figures?
As far as I am concerned there is no down-sidePoints for integrity, Rich, but I fear you don't have full-spectrum >>>>>>>>>>>>immunity to covid, only spike resistance which needs to be updated >>>>>>>>>>>>by
in taking boosters - so I have kept up with Covid injections, >>>>>>>>>>>>
the periodic boosters. You have got on the train which rides in >>>>>>>>>>>>circles, and your 10-trip ticket will be punched every time you pass
GO. I have Nature's superior full-spectrum immunity, and need do >>>>>>>>>>>>nothing. Nature beats all the world's medical "experts", every >>>>>>>>>>>>time.
So which of these vaccinations would you not give a child, Willy >>>>>>>>>>>Nilly? Or in the case of the flu vaccines, not take yourself? >>>>>>>>>>>
https://www.immunise.health.nz/
I note you were not prepared to answer that question. I do hope that >>>>>>>>>you do not catch Covid - you are considerably more at risk of getting >>>>>>>>>severe symptoms and death than a vaccinated person.
Can you please address questions directly to those to whom you are >>>>>>>>responding
instead of being so lazy?
and also got the flu injections covering four strains for this >>>>>>>>>>>>>year;You are poisoning yourself, but best wishes to you.
the extra cost over the free vaccine was in my view worth it. >>>>>>>>>>>>
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