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    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Crash on Wed May 24 22:03:05 2023
    On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:44:07 PM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    A letter from Hobson's Pledge:



    Dear <name removed>,

    In general, we Kiwis don't like to rock the boat. We are pretty well-mannered and don't charge into confrontations at the drop of a
    hat. We're good-natured and laid back and tend to employ a "she'll be
    right" attitude.

    Our good nature is being taken advantage of.

    I don't need to list all the ways in which drastic changes to our
    policies and laws have been drip fed, snuck in, and even rammed
    through in the past six years. I'm sure you're well aware.

    Throughout all of this radical change in our country, a particular
    weapon has been wielded against those of us who have raised
    objections. It is a weapon that strikes the heart of our desire to get
    on with our neighbours and be a harmonious people - the accusation of racism.

    Racism is something we all rightly abhor so to be called a racist is disarming and upsetting. It makes us stop and not want to speak up for rights and beliefs that we are entitled to. It creates a chilling
    effect that shuts down dissent relating to Government policies like co-governance.

    Racism accusations are foundational to how this Government justifies treating New Zealanders differently depending on race. But the genius
    of this tactic is that they get to decide what racism is and we are
    not allowed to question this. When there is no set definition and the accuser can't be made to justify themselves, it is impossible to
    defend ourselves against the smear.

    Seeing how often the Government is using this racially antagonistic
    tactic, we decided to ask ministers what definition of 'racism' they
    were using in the context of their ministries. We also asked them if
    it is possible for white people to be victims of racism and if there
    are degrees of racism depending on the race or ethnicity of the person
    being accused and their 'victim'. We also asked the Human Rights
    Commission.

    The responses we received to our Official Information Act requests
    were disappointing, to say the least.

    From the Human Rights Commission we received:

    "The Commission does not hold a single agreed definition of the term "racism".

    They refused to answer the other two questions. At least they replied though! The Race Relations Commissioner responded to our OIA
    acknowledging receiving it on 11 April 2023 but despite an "I’ll get
    back to you soon," we have heard nothing.

    From ministers we received the following:

    "Aotearoa New Zealand has no agreed definition of racism" - Marama
    Davidson

    "The OIA cannot be used to force Ministers or agencies to engage in
    debate or to create justifications or explanations in relation to
    something a person might be interested in. There is no obligation to
    create new information to answer an OIA request.
    Your request is therefore refused under section 18( e) of the OIA, as
    the information requested does not exist. " - Ginny Andersen

    "Your questions appear designed to engage in a debate about the
    Government's policies to address racism...I am therefore refusing your request under section 18(g) of the Act." - Barbara Edmonds

    "The questions you raise do not appear to be seeking any official information likely to be held by this Office." - Kieran McAnulty

    "This information is not held by the Ministry for Ethnic Communities,
    nor my Office." - Priyanca Radhakrishnan

    "Your questions appear designed to engage in a debate about the
    Government's policies to address racism...I am therefore refusing your request under section 18(g) of the Act." - Ayesha Verrall

    "Your correspondence does not meet the threshold for being a request
    under the OIA as in order to respond to your query would require an
    agency to form an opinion or provide an explanation and so create new information to answer." Nanaia Mahuta

    "The questions you raise do not appear to be seeking any official information likely to be held by this Office." - Peeni Henare

    "The information you have requested is not ‘official information’ and not something which would
    be held in my capacity as a Minister." - Andrew Little

    "An agency (or Minister) is not required to form an opinion or create information to answer an official information request." - Willie
    Jackson

    "The questions you raise do not appear to be seeking any official information likely to be held by this Office." - Chris Hipkins

    "Questions that require the creation of new information, such as
    forming an opinion or providing an explanation, are not requests for official information." - Jan Tinetti

    "The questions you raise do not appear to be seeking any official information but rather appear designed to engage in a debate about
    racism." - Kelvin Davis

    "Your questions appear designed to engage in a debate about the Government’s policies to address racism." - Kiri Allan

    Additionally, Willow-Jean Prime, Carmel Sepuloni, and Michael Wood transferred the OIA to their ministries.

    In fact the only minister who responded in a slightly fuller manner
    was Deborah Russell. She began by saying "Stats NZ does not have a
    standard definition of racism" but then made an attempt to discuss the
    Human Rights Commission's definition, how Stats NZ deals with discrimination, and explains that Stats NZ collects information on
    people's experiences of discrimination through the New Zealand General Social Survey.

    In short, our Government and its ministers are either unwilling or
    unable to tell us what 'racism' is and whom it can affect. This is significant for many reasons but I'd like to raise two major ones
    here.

    1. Our Government spends a lot of time and money on anti-racism
    programmes. If they don't know what racism actually is, what are they spending our taxes on? A few examples of this are the $2 million spent
    by New Zealand Police on research into 'where bias and racism exist
    within policing practices', an undisclosed amount spent by the
    Ministry of Justice on 'a national action plan against racism,' and
    $42 million spent by the Ministry of Education on 'an antiracism
    initiative for schools and communities aiming to help Maori students'.

    2. Principles of Natural Justice are undermined when a Government is
    able to make sweeping accusations that can't be proven or defended. As
    New Zealanders, we have the right to be heard and to be protected by
    fair process.

    The New Zealand Bill of Rights says:

    27(1) Every person has the right to the observance of the principles
    of natural justice by any tribunal or other public authority which has
    the power to make a determination in respect of that person’s rights, obligations, or interests protected or recognised by law.
    It seems that despite not knowing exactly what racism is, our
    Government is willing to use it to stifle debate and distract from key issues.

    This dirty and unethical strategy will continue until it simply
    doesn't work anymore and how long that takes is entirely up to New Zealanders like you and me.

    We must refuse to allow our good-naturedness as Kiwis to be used
    against us. We must collectively refuse to be manipulated by
    race-baiting politicians and bureaucrats. It is entirely up to us.
    We are bloody sick of the cries of racism and fabricating of
    victimhood in order to justify terrible, divisive, and damaging
    legislation and policy that distracts everyone from a Government that
    has failed by virtually every measure. By turning us against each
    other, they avoid the scrutiny.

    And, to make sure their justification for racism continues, there is
    the propensity to cry victim no matter how successful and affluent the individuals concerned might be. As we saw this week when Arena
    Williams shamelessly used her father by claiming he was choosing
    health over heating.

    The reality:

    1. Her father is Sir Haari Williams - a pioneer of Maori broadcasting
    and academic dean.

    2. Her mother is a GP and former Royal Commissioner.

    3. Arena's an MP, her husband is Chief of Staff for the Mayor of
    Auckland.

    4. Annual prescription costs are capped at $100.00

    So what can we do? Here are three suggestions we can all commit to in
    our everyday lives. Let me know how you go!

    1. Refuse to be divided. Push back on rhetoric that divides us into
    white and brown by reminding people that we are a multi-cultural
    country made up of people from all sorts of backgrounds. It is not
    racist to demand that ALL New Zealanders are treated equally before
    the law

    2. Start saying "that tactic does not work on me" when unfounded
    accusations of racism are levelled at you for speaking up about policy
    and law. Assert that you know you are not a racist and do not let underhanded and unfair accusations prevent you from speaking up.

    3. If you haven't already, please take 10 seconds to sign our open
    letter to Minister of Justice Kiri Allan. Click here to sign.

    I think I have gone on enough for today! I just wanted to reach out
    because with all that is happening to us, we cannot allow our voices
    to be silenced.

    [snipped solicitations]

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    Crash McBash
    Considering we all came from Africa racism is in reality pretty stupid :)

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  • From Ras Mikaere@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 25 08:02:56 2023
    KING JAMES VERSION

    Admit It You Dirty Birds Fake "kiwi" Paakehaa --

    NEW ZEALAND HAS TURNED INTO A RACIST CREEPY SOUTH AFRICA
    WITH ALL THE SOUTH AFRICANS THAT HAVE INVADED THE
    ISLANDS ---

    F.W. DeKLERK SECRET HOME -- TORBAY N.Z. http://www.exorcist.org.nz/anzus_drug_mafias.html

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