• Luxon tone-deaf

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 17 15:09:35 2023
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.
    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style "thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 17 15:51:17 2023
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:09:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.
    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons.

    Rich you are reaching new lows in your rhetoric. Luxon's comments are
    entirely appropriate given his religious convictions. You are
    stooping to new lows in attempting to connect these comments with USA
    politics.

    I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

    Only to you. I, and I am sure most of us, saw them for what they were
    with no American overtones whatever.

    If this is the best you can come up with you truly show your
    desperation in portraying National and ACT leaders as tone-deaf. I
    would equally say Labour is tone-deaf in its devious deceptions with
    water reforms legislation introducing nation-wide co-governance
    without any mention of it prior to the last election. That truly is
    tone-deaf on the part of ex-PM Ardern and clearly PM Hipkins is stuck
    with it unless he has the courage to take on Labours Maori caucus.


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    Crash McBash

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 16 20:50:17 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 3:15:48 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people. Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style "thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."
    Like you Rich. Norightturn is seldom right on. Like you it's to far left...

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed May 17 05:09:43 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.
    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."
    What absolute pernicious nonsense.
    Nobody, you or NRT has the right to assume that Luxon does not care.
    Do you care? Or arguably maybe your willingness to make a political pont out of this human tragedy is the real low life response here. Yes, perhaps that is it, you and your precious uncaring left wing website.
    You and they are a disgrace.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed May 17 17:55:16 2023
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 05:09:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people. >>Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in >>Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to >>pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by >>psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do >>something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."
    What absolute pernicious nonsense.
    Nobody, you or NRT has the right to assume that Luxon does not care.
    I have not assumed that he does not care, but there are times when
    most politicians would want to make their position clear - Luxon has
    not made his position clear.

    Do you care? Or arguably maybe your willingness to make a political pont out of
    this human tragedy is the real low life response here. Yes, perhaps that is it,
    you and your precious uncaring left wing website.
    You and they are a disgrace.

    Yes actually I do care, and I am pleased that many are looking at the circumstances and asking whether there are deficiencies in our
    standards for accomodation providers that resulted in this horrible
    fire and the death of at lest 6 people and possibly more. We have seen
    similar disasters overseas (in some cases with considerably more
    deaths) that resulted in a review of requirements or which identified
    that rules had not been followed; indeed others have called for a
    review of rules, pointing out that at least some of the residents in
    the building had little choice, but that it should never be acceptable
    for any tenant to die through deficiencies in the place where they are
    a tenant.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 17 17:14:53 2023
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:51:17 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:09:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people. >>Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in >>Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to >>pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by >>psychopaths with military weapons.

    Rich you are reaching new lows in your rhetoric. Luxon's comments are >entirely appropriate given his religious convictions. You are
    stooping to new lows in attempting to connect these comments with USA >politics.

    I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do >>something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

    Only to you. I, and I am sure most of us, saw them for what they were
    with no American overtones whatever.

    If this is the best you can come up with you truly show your
    desperation in portraying National and ACT leaders as tone-deaf. I
    would equally say Labour is tone-deaf in its devious deceptions with
    water reforms legislation introducing nation-wide co-governance
    without any mention of it prior to the last election. That truly is >tone-deaf on the part of ex-PM Ardern and clearly PM Hipkins is stuck
    with it unless he has the courage to take on Labours Maori caucus.

    I wrote none of the words you criticise me for, Crash - it is evident
    that some will only read words in a post and not look at a url. "No
    Right Turn" is a personal blog of someone who I have never met and do
    not know; he is fairly rational compared with some other political
    blogs; and the opinions expressed may well reflect a considerable
    proportion of the population.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue May 16 23:01:10 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:21:05 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:51:17 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:09:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people. >>Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the >>victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts >>and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our >>responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in >>Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously >>an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to >>pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by >>psychopaths with military weapons.

    Rich you are reaching new lows in your rhetoric. Luxon's comments are >entirely appropriate given his religious convictions. You are
    stooping to new lows in attempting to connect these comments with USA >politics.

    I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do >>something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in >>building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon >>sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

    Only to you. I, and I am sure most of us, saw them for what they were
    with no American overtones whatever.

    If this is the best you can come up with you truly show your
    desperation in portraying National and ACT leaders as tone-deaf. I
    would equally say Labour is tone-deaf in its devious deceptions with
    water reforms legislation introducing nation-wide co-governance
    without any mention of it prior to the last election. That truly is >tone-deaf on the part of ex-PM Ardern and clearly PM Hipkins is stuck
    with it unless he has the courage to take on Labours Maori caucus.
    I wrote none of the words you criticise me for, Crash - it is evident
    that some will only read words in a post and not look at a url. "No
    Right Turn" is a personal blog of someone who I have never met and do
    not know; he is fairly rational compared with some other political
    blogs; and the opinions expressed may well reflect a considerable
    proportion of the population.
    Norightturn is another of Labours disinformation commissars just like you Rich! If it was any deeper in Labours pocket it'd have a Labour list MP!
    As for being rational it's about as rational as you Rich. forever dissing the opposition even though as with the post you cut n' pasted it's pure anti right wing bullshit!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed May 17 06:39:50 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 05:09:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people. >>>Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >>>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the >>>victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts >>>and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our >>>responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in >>>Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to >>>pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by >>>psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do >>>something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in >>>building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."
    What absolute pernicious nonsense.
    Nobody, you or NRT has the right to assume that Luxon does not care.
    I have not assumed that he does not care, but there are times when
    most politicians would want to make their position clear - Luxon has
    not made his position clear.
    Of course he has - he cares. You ?

    Do you care? Or arguably maybe your willingness to make a political pont out >>of
    this human tragedy is the real low life response here. Yes, perhaps that is >>it,
    you and your precious uncaring left wing website.
    You and they are a disgrace.

    Yes actually I do care, and I am pleased that many are looking at the >circumstances and asking whether there are deficiencies in our
    standards for accomodation providers that resulted in this horrible
    fire and the death of at lest 6 people and possibly more. We have seen >similar disasters overseas (in some cases with considerably more
    deaths) that resulted in a review of requirements or which identified
    that rules had not been followed; indeed others have called for a
    review of rules, pointing out that at least some of the residents in
    the building had little choice, but that it should never be acceptable
    for any tenant to die through deficiencies in the place where they are
    a tenant.
    So you agree that Luxon cares. Good on you.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed May 17 19:47:58 2023
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 06:39:50 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 05:09:43 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen >>>>the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor >>>>of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people. >>>>Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual, >>>>so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >>>>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the >>>>victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts >>>>and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting >>>>for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our >>>>responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in >>>>Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously >>>>an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to >>>>pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by >>>>psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is >>>>obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do >>>>something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a >>>>"fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in >>>>building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon >>>>sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."
    What absolute pernicious nonsense.
    Nobody, you or NRT has the right to assume that Luxon does not care.
    I have not assumed that he does not care, but there are times when
    most politicians would want to make their position clear - Luxon has
    not made his position clear.
    Of course he has - he cares. You ?

    Do you care? Or arguably maybe your willingness to make a political pont out >>>of
    this human tragedy is the real low life response here. Yes, perhaps that is >>>it,
    you and your precious uncaring left wing website.
    You and they are a disgrace.

    Yes actually I do care, and I am pleased that many are looking at the >>circumstances and asking whether there are deficiencies in our
    standards for accomodation providers that resulted in this horrible
    fire and the death of at lest 6 people and possibly more. We have seen >>similar disasters overseas (in some cases with considerably more
    deaths) that resulted in a review of requirements or which identified
    that rules had not been followed; indeed others have called for a
    review of rules, pointing out that at least some of the residents in
    the building had little choice, but that it should never be acceptable
    for any tenant to die through deficiencies in the place where they are
    a tenant.
    So you agree that Luxon cares. Good on you.

    I have not heard him say or do anything that would indicate that he
    cares for other than himself - but I have not been listening to news
    media this evening - has he said something that indicates anything
    different?.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed May 17 19:57:21 2023
    On 17 May 2023 07:18:47 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-05-17, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.

    Fact check. The intial figure of 6 has stood since then.

    Yes, I amended the number in a later email - it was initially reported
    that it was likely to be 10, but possibly eleven.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/132052407/what-safety-regulations-were-at-play-for-the-loafers-lodge-hostel

    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style
    "thoughts and prayers":

    Surprise, but the humans in the United States Of America are human, as were >the hostel residents.





    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed May 17 07:18:47 2023
    On 2023-05-17, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.

    Fact check. The intial figure of 6 has stood since then.

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/property/132052407/what-safety-regulations-were-at-play-for-the-loafers-lodge-hostel

    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style "thoughts and prayers":

    Surprise, but the humans in the United States Of America are human, as were
    the hostel residents.



    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons. I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed May 17 19:44:44 2023
    On Tue, 16 May 2023 23:01:10 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:21:05?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:51:17 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:09:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.
    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style
    "thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts
    and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously
    an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons.

    Rich you are reaching new lows in your rhetoric. Luxon's comments are
    entirely appropriate given his religious convictions. You are
    stooping to new lows in attempting to connect these comments with USA
    politics.

    I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

    Only to you. I, and I am sure most of us, saw them for what they were
    with no American overtones whatever.

    If this is the best you can come up with you truly show your
    desperation in portraying National and ACT leaders as tone-deaf. I
    would equally say Labour is tone-deaf in its devious deceptions with
    water reforms legislation introducing nation-wide co-governance
    without any mention of it prior to the last election. That truly is
    tone-deaf on the part of ex-PM Ardern and clearly PM Hipkins is stuck
    with it unless he has the courage to take on Labours Maori caucus.
    I wrote none of the words you criticise me for, Crash - it is evident
    that some will only read words in a post and not look at a url. "No
    Right Turn" is a personal blog of someone who I have never met and do
    not know; he is fairly rational compared with some other political
    blogs; and the opinions expressed may well reflect a considerable
    proportion of the population.
    Norightturn is another of Labours disinformation commissars just like you Rich! If it was any deeper in Labours pocket it'd have a Labour list MP!
    As for being rational it's about as rational as you Rich. forever dissing the opposition even though as with the post you cut n' pasted it's pure anti right wing bullshit!
    I thank you for your compliment, John Bowes. This is about Luxon
    rather than the National Party; if you think about it you would
    realise that the last two National; Party Prime Ministers would have
    been more empathetic - that is John Key and Bill English. Bridges had
    a little empathy, but Judith Collins and Chris Luxon appear to have
    none, and that is not attractive in a politician - and it comes
    through in the high level of dissatisfaction that National supporters
    had in Collins, and now in Luxon. There is little about left or right
    wing in this discussion; it is about New Zealanders wanting a leder
    that actually cares for more than themself.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed May 17 02:32:10 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 7:52:27 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 16 May 2023 23:01:10 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:21:05?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:51:17 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:09:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor >> >>of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.
    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual, >> >>so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >> >>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts >> >>and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously >> >>an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons.

    Rich you are reaching new lows in your rhetoric. Luxon's comments are
    entirely appropriate given his religious convictions. You are
    stooping to new lows in attempting to connect these comments with USA
    politics.

    I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

    Only to you. I, and I am sure most of us, saw them for what they were
    with no American overtones whatever.

    If this is the best you can come up with you truly show your
    desperation in portraying National and ACT leaders as tone-deaf. I
    would equally say Labour is tone-deaf in its devious deceptions with
    water reforms legislation introducing nation-wide co-governance
    without any mention of it prior to the last election. That truly is
    tone-deaf on the part of ex-PM Ardern and clearly PM Hipkins is stuck
    with it unless he has the courage to take on Labours Maori caucus.
    I wrote none of the words you criticise me for, Crash - it is evident
    that some will only read words in a post and not look at a url. "No
    Right Turn" is a personal blog of someone who I have never met and do
    not know; he is fairly rational compared with some other political
    blogs; and the opinions expressed may well reflect a considerable
    proportion of the population.
    Norightturn is another of Labours disinformation commissars just like you Rich! If it was any deeper in Labours pocket it'd have a Labour list MP!
    As for being rational it's about as rational as you Rich. forever dissing the opposition even though as with the post you cut n' pasted it's pure anti right wing bullshit!
    I thank you for your compliment, John Bowes. This is about Luxon
    rather than the National Party; if you think about it you would
    realise that the last two National; Party Prime Ministers would have
    been more empathetic - that is John Key and Bill English. Bridges had
    a little empathy, but Judith Collins and Chris Luxon appear to have
    none, and that is not attractive in a politician - and it comes
    through in the high level of dissatisfaction that National supporters
    had in Collins, and now in Luxon. There is little about left or right
    wing in this discussion; it is about New Zealanders wanting a leder
    that actually cares for more than themself.
    You truly are a good representative of the left Rich. Stupid must be an accolade for you. Your sarcasm is as sick as your defence of transexual males being females which makes you a good match for your idiotic leader Chris Hipkins who needs to move over
    for a non lefty cretin. someone who really cares about NZ not doing their best to turn us into another failed Marxist state like North Korea!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed May 17 20:21:05 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 16 May 2023 23:01:10 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 5:21:05?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:51:17 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:
    On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:09:35 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    No Right Turn is fairly blunt, but often spot on - when we have seen
    the example of a poor political response to the flooding by the Mayor
    of Auckland, Luxon is coming across as just as hapless . . .

    http://norightturn.blogspot.com/2023/05/utterly-tone-deaf.html

    "Utterly tone-deaf
    This morning a hostel burned down in Wellington, killing ten people.
    Aotearoa is a small country, and a disaster of this scale is unusual,
    so every political party leader was asked to comment. What did
    National Party leader Christopher Luxon have to say? An American-style >>> >>"thoughts and prayers":

    National's leader Christopher Luxon said his thoughts were with the
    victims and responders.
    "It's pretty shocking what we've seen here overnight, and our thoughts >>> >>and prayers are definitely with the people who've lost their lives,
    the families who've lost loved ones, and those that are now fighting
    for their lives in hospital as well as being grateful for our
    responders."

    Luxons comments were later echoed by ACT leader David Seymour in
    Parliament.
    The problem with this is that that particular phrase is very obviously >>> >>an American import, used most notoriously by American politicians to
    pretend to care about the daily mass-murders of schoolchildren by
    psychopaths with military weapons.

    Rich you are reaching new lows in your rhetoric. Luxon's comments are
    entirely appropriate given his religious convictions. You are
    stooping to new lows in attempting to connect these comments with USA
    politics.

    I say "pretend" because it is
    obvious that those politicians do not care - if they did, they'd do
    something about it (like, you know, having sensible gun laws). While
    it might sound great to Luxon, to kiwi ears, its pure dismissal, a
    "fuck you, I don't care" (and with weirdo religious overtones to
    boot). And in the context of a disaster, where the building didn't
    have sprinklers, where there are already calls for improvements in
    building regulations to ensure that it doesn't happen again, Luxon
    sounds just like one of those American politicians. If he actually
    does care, he's made a terrible job of showing it."

    Only to you. I, and I am sure most of us, saw them for what they were
    with no American overtones whatever.

    If this is the best you can come up with you truly show your
    desperation in portraying National and ACT leaders as tone-deaf. I
    would equally say Labour is tone-deaf in its devious deceptions with
    water reforms legislation introducing nation-wide co-governance
    without any mention of it prior to the last election. That truly is
    tone-deaf on the part of ex-PM Ardern and clearly PM Hipkins is stuck
    with it unless he has the courage to take on Labours Maori caucus.
    I wrote none of the words you criticise me for, Crash - it is evident
    that some will only read words in a post and not look at a url. "No
    Right Turn" is a personal blog of someone who I have never met and do
    not know; he is fairly rational compared with some other political
    blogs; and the opinions expressed may well reflect a considerable
    proportion of the population.
    Norightturn is another of Labours disinformation commissars just like you >>Rich! If it was any deeper in Labours pocket it'd have a Labour list MP!
    As for being rational it's about as rational as you Rich. forever dissing the >>opposition even though as with the post you cut n' pasted it's pure anti right
    wing bullshit!
    I thank you for your compliment, John Bowes. This is about Luxon
    rather than the National Party; if you think about it you would
    realise that the last two National; Party Prime Ministers would have
    been more empathetic - that is John Key and Bill English. Bridges had
    a little empathy, but Judith Collins and Chris Luxon appear to have
    none, and that is not attractive in a politician - and it comes
    through in the high level of dissatisfaction that National supporters
    had in Collins, and now in Luxon. There is little about left or right
    wing in this discussion; it is about New Zealanders wanting a leder
    that actually cares for more than themself.
    More defamation - and sarcsam. Both in one post - you must be desperate.

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