Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive
eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may
be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a
tough argument to win."
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive
eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may
be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such properties were owned in this way.
--Guess Rich forgets his vociferous defence of Labour when they did the same sort of thing in Lower Hutt a few years ago. but then we all know Rich like so many who support the left is just a hypocrite!
Crash McBash
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive
eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may
be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a
building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive
eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may
be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >properties were owned in this way.
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>OK so just normal and a silly topic intended to lift political rhetoric once more.
wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive
eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may
be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a
building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:34:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>No I have not accused Luxon of a rort - as the article makes clear :
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a
building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
The article lists MPs that are 'top of the list' so there may be
others.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am not interested in what properties MPs own. You have accused
Luxon of a rort, despite the fact that Parliamentary Services pay the
rents and MPs of many political parties participate in this practice.
If I had my way Parliamentary Services would be prohibited fromArguably this does not result in a pecuniary gain - it is $83 a month
entering into any business arrangement with an entity that results in
a pecuniary gain to any MP.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Hardly normal - as the article said: "This is about optics, and while
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:OK so just normal and a silly topic intended to lift political rhetoric once >more.
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a
building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
On Wed, 17 May 2023 05:03:40 -0000 (UTC), TonySee my comment above. It is you that is playing personality politics. Shame on you.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Hardly normal - as the article said: "This is about optics, and while
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:OK so just normal and a silly topic intended to lift political rhetoric once >>more.
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a >>>building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Luxon may be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the
Government is misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some
off the top is a tough argument to win." There is no suggestion that
he broke and laws , but it is clearly not normal . . .
On Wed, 17 May 2023 16:00:11 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>Your version of political comment or rhetoric is to attack the man, not the policies or the behaviour. That is what you have done here. Shame on you.
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:34:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:No I have not accused Luxon of a rort - as the article makes clear :
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a >>>building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
The article lists MPs that are 'top of the list' so there may be
others.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am not interested in what properties MPs own. You have accused
Luxon of a rort, despite the fact that Parliamentary Services pay the
rents and MPs of many political parties participate in this practice.
"What's important to me is that I follow all the rules and the rules
are followed and that Parliamentary Services are good with it and they
are."
There is no suggestion Luxon has broken any rules. His office
helpfully dropped off the permission slip to show he hasn't.
This is about optics, and while Luxon may be comfortable with his rent >arrangement, arguing the Government is misspending taxpayer money
while you're skimming some off the top is a tough argument to win."
You may think it a rot, I just believe it speaks to the character of
Luxon; he has a typical National Party attitude that if it is not
illegal then it is OK - you may remember his use of a parliamentary
limousine for his first arrival at Parliament as Leader of the Party;
that may have said some things about him that others would have
preferred to avoid, but it was certainly not a rort; just not many
others would have seen it as a signal worth sending . . .
Arguably this does not result in a pecuniary gain - it is $83 a month
If I had my way Parliamentary Services would be prohibited from
entering into any business arrangement with an entity that results in
a pecuniary gain to any MP.
less than assessed market rental for the property; he presumably
bought the property to ensure that the "Right" message is sent to >constituents about his financial position . . . That is not either a
rort, or illegal, but it is reasonable to note that other MPs do not
feel the need to send such a message . . ..
On Wed, 17 May 2023 16:00:11 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:34:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:No I have not accused Luxon of a rort - as the article makes clear :
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary
Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice
that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate
office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively
rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a >>>building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
The article lists MPs that are 'top of the list' so there may be
others.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque
is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am not interested in what properties MPs own. You have accused
Luxon of a rort, despite the fact that Parliamentary Services pay the
rents and MPs of many political parties participate in this practice.
"What's important to me is that I follow all the rules and the rules
are followed and that Parliamentary Services are good with it and they
are."
There is no suggestion Luxon has broken any rules. His office
helpfully dropped off the permission slip to show he hasn't.
This is about optics, and while Luxon may be comfortable with his rent >arrangement, arguing the Government is misspending taxpayer money
while you're skimming some off the top is a tough argument to win."
You may think it a rot, I just believe it speaks to the character of
Luxon; he has a typical National Party attitude that if it is not
illegal then it is OK
- you may remember his use of a parliamentary
limousine for his first arrival at Parliament as Leader of the Party;
that may have said some things about him that others would have
preferred to avoid, but it was certainly not a rort; just not many
others would have seen it as a signal worth sending . . .
Arguably this does not result in a pecuniary gain - it is $83 a month
If I had my way Parliamentary Services would be prohibited from
entering into any business arrangement with an entity that results in
a pecuniary gain to any MP.
less than assessed market rental for the property; he presumably
bought the property to ensure that the "Right" message is sent to >constituents about his financial position . . . That is not either a
rort, or illegal, but it is reasonable to note that other MPs do not
feel the need to send such a message . . ..
On Wed, 17 May 2023 17:26:02 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 16:00:11 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:I agree about the optics - But it is approved by Parliamentary
On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:34:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:No I have not accused Luxon of a rort - as the article makes clear :
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary >>>>>Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice >>>>>that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate >>>>>office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively >>>>rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected
to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour
Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a >>>>building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from
himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
The article lists MPs that are 'top of the list' so there may be
others.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>>>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>>>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque >>>>is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>>>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am not interested in what properties MPs own. You have accused
Luxon of a rort, despite the fact that Parliamentary Services pay the >>>rents and MPs of many political parties participate in this practice.
"What's important to me is that I follow all the rules and the rules
are followed and that Parliamentary Services are good with it and they >>are."
There is no suggestion Luxon has broken any rules. His office
helpfully dropped off the permission slip to show he hasn't.
This is about optics, and while Luxon may be comfortable with his rent >>arrangement, arguing the Government is misspending taxpayer money
while you're skimming some off the top is a tough argument to win."
Services and practiced by a number of MPs on a number of levels. Why
do you single out Luxon?
The article singled Luxon out; I believed, as you said you do also,You may think it a rot, I just believe it speaks to the character of
Luxon; he has a typical National Party attitude that if it is not
illegal then it is OK
See above - utter hypocrisy on your part.
- you may remember his use of a parliamentary
limousine for his first arrival at Parliament as Leader of the Party;
I don't.
that may have said some things about him that others would have
preferred to avoid, but it was certainly not a rort; just not many
others would have seen it as a signal worth sending . . .
Arguably this does not result in a pecuniary gain - it is $83 a month
If I had my way Parliamentary Services would be prohibited from
entering into any business arrangement with an entity that results in
a pecuniary gain to any MP.
less than assessed market rental for the property; he presumably
bought the property to ensure that the "Right" message is sent to >>constituents about his financial position . . . That is not either a
rort, or illegal, but it is reasonable to note that other MPs do not
feel the need to send such a message . . ..
It is the fact that you single out Luxon that is my issue with you.
How many times and how many ways do I need to point this out?
On Wed, 17 May 2023 20:00:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 17:26:02 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 16:00:11 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:I agree about the optics - But it is approved by Parliamentary
On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:34:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:No I have not accused Luxon of a rort - as the article makes clear :
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary >>>>>>Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice >>>>>>that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>>>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate >>>>>>office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>>>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively >>>>>rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected >>>>>to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour >>>>>Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a >>>>>building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from >>>>>himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
The article lists MPs that are 'top of the list' so there may be >>>>others.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>>>>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>>>>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque >>>>>is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>>>>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am not interested in what properties MPs own. You have accused
Luxon of a rort, despite the fact that Parliamentary Services pay the >>>>rents and MPs of many political parties participate in this practice.
"What's important to me is that I follow all the rules and the rules
are followed and that Parliamentary Services are good with it and they >>>are."
There is no suggestion Luxon has broken any rules. His office
helpfully dropped off the permission slip to show he hasn't.
This is about optics, and while Luxon may be comfortable with his rent >>>arrangement, arguing the Government is misspending taxpayer money
while you're skimming some off the top is a tough argument to win."
Services and practiced by a number of MPs on a number of levels. Why
do you single out Luxon?
As I made cleaar in my initial post, this was an article that pointed
out that Luxons response to the deaths in a fire was "poor optics" -
we can at lest agree with that description. The issue of whether it
broke rules was raised by another poster, and I pointed out that he
had not.
The article singled Luxon out; I believed, as you said you do also,
You may think it a rot, I just believe it speaks to the character of >>>Luxon; he has a typical National Party attitude that if it is not
illegal then it is OK
See above - utter hypocrisy on your part.
- you may remember his use of a parliamentary
limousine for his first arrival at Parliament as Leader of the Party;
I don't.
that may have said some things about him that others would have
preferred to avoid, but it was certainly not a rort; just not many
others would have seen it as a signal worth sending . . .
Arguably this does not result in a pecuniary gain - it is $83 a month >>>less than assessed market rental for the property; he presumably
If I had my way Parliamentary Services would be prohibited from >>>>entering into any business arrangement with an entity that results in
a pecuniary gain to any MP.
bought the property to ensure that the "Right" message is sent to >>>constituents about his financial position . . . That is not either a >>>rort, or illegal, but it is reasonable to note that other MPs do not
feel the need to send such a message . . ..
It is the fact that you single out Luxon that is my issue with you.
How many times and how many ways do I need to point this out?
that this was a valid criticism, and just as NRT thought it was
important enough to publish, I believe it was worth raising in
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On Wed, 17 May 2023 20:00:21 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>No it is another example of your singleminded hatred of politicians that are not left leaning, and yet another example of your enjoyment in posting defamatory comments against those you dislike (or who call you out).
wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 17:26:02 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Wed, 17 May 2023 16:00:11 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:I agree about the optics - But it is approved by Parliamentary
On Wed, 17 May 2023 15:34:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:No I have not accused Luxon of a rort - as the article makes clear :
On Wed, 17 May 2023 07:57:46 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>>>wrote:
On Tue, 16 May 2023 20:20:08 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>>>wrote:
Christopher Luxon is "very comfortable" with the most expensive >>>>>>>eletorate office
https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2022/11/how-much-christopher-luxon-s-charging-taxpayers-to-lease-his-own-office-from-himself-and-how-it-compares-to-market-rent.html
As the article concludes: "This is about optics, and while Luxon may >>>>>>>be comfortable with his rent arrangement, arguing the Government is >>>>>>>misspending taxpayer money while you're skimming some off the top is a >>>>>>>tough argument to win."
Perhaps then all property ownership by MPs where Parliamentary >>>>>>Services pay rent should be exposed. Its a long-standing practice >>>>>>that MPs or political parties invest in either Wellington residential >>>>>>real-estate (that the MP uses while in Wellington) or electorate >>>>>>office real-estate. It would not surprise me if the majority of such >>>>>>properties were owned in this way.
The article at the url above lists those other MPs that effectively >>>>>rent from themselves or from an organisation that they are connected >>>>>to (teo labour MPs have offices in buildings owned by the Labour >>>>>Party, Jacqui Dean rents from herself, Nanaia Mahuta rents from a >>>>>building owned by her iwi; Paul Goldsmith presumably rents from >>>>>himself for $958 a month - the chapest of all of them.
The article lists MPs that are 'top of the list' so there may be >>>>others.
As teh article says ""I'm very comfortable. Parliamentary Services are >>>>>incredibly comfortable with it," Luxon said."
and
"Monthly market rent on Luxon's property is listed as $3833 - he's >>>>>undercutting that by a whopping $83 dollars. His annual rent paycheque >>>>>is shy of a thousand dollars more than a minimum wage worker's annual >>>>>earnings."
How many properties are owned by MPs is listed here: >>>>>https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/politics/2023/05/revealed-how-many-properties-each-new-zealand-mp-owns.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
I am not interested in what properties MPs own. You have accused
Luxon of a rort, despite the fact that Parliamentary Services pay the >>>>rents and MPs of many political parties participate in this practice.
"What's important to me is that I follow all the rules and the rules
are followed and that Parliamentary Services are good with it and they >>>are."
There is no suggestion Luxon has broken any rules. His office
helpfully dropped off the permission slip to show he hasn't.
This is about optics, and while Luxon may be comfortable with his rent >>>arrangement, arguing the Government is misspending taxpayer money
while you're skimming some off the top is a tough argument to win."
Services and practiced by a number of MPs on a number of levels. Why
do you single out Luxon?
As I made cleaar in my initial post, this was an article that pointed
out that Luxons response to the deaths in a fire was "poor optics" -
we can at lest agree with that description. The issue of whether it
broke rules was raised by another poster, and I pointed out that he
had not.
The article singled Luxon out; I believed, as you said you do also,
You may think it a rot, I just believe it speaks to the character of >>>Luxon; he has a typical National Party attitude that if it is not
illegal then it is OK
See above - utter hypocrisy on your part.
- you may remember his use of a parliamentary
limousine for his first arrival at Parliament as Leader of the Party;
I don't.
that may have said some things about him that others would have
preferred to avoid, but it was certainly not a rort; just not many
others would have seen it as a signal worth sending . . .
Arguably this does not result in a pecuniary gain - it is $83 a month >>>less than assessed market rental for the property; he presumably
If I had my way Parliamentary Services would be prohibited from >>>>entering into any business arrangement with an entity that results in
a pecuniary gain to any MP.
bought the property to ensure that the "Right" message is sent to >>>constituents about his financial position . . . That is not either a >>>rort, or illegal, but it is reasonable to note that other MPs do not
feel the need to send such a message . . ..
It is the fact that you single out Luxon that is my issue with you.
How many times and how many ways do I need to point this out?
that this was a valid criticism, and just as NRT thought it was
important enough to publish, I believe it was worth raising in
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