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- mindlessly support the politically driven (pun intended), rushed move to EVs. https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/fire-fear-bent-martini-bans-electric-cars-from-havila-ropaxes/2-1-1387866
These batteries are dangerous and we need to stop the madness.
But I and others here have said that many times before, only to receive sarcasm and ill thought through rhetoric.

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Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 5 May 2023 21:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

- mindlessly support the politically driven (pun intended), rushed move to >>EVs. >>https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/fire-fear-bent-martini-bans-electric-cars-from-havila-ropaxes/2-1-1387866
These batteries are dangerous and we need to stop the madness.
But I and others here have said that many times before, only to receive >>sarcasm
and ill thought through rhetoric.

That article is about a vehicle ferry operator. If you are raising
the issue of BEVs vulnerability to fire then this is more informative:

https://tinyurl.com/mpr23jt3

Yes there is a fire risk but so are ICE vehicles - after all the fuel
in the fuel tanks of cars on a vehicle ferry is hugely explosive
although well protected.

For BEVs it does seem sensible that where a battery fire occurs, the
car should be written off or the propulsion battery replaced.

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Crash there is no definitive opinion on this issue. I have seen opinions of all flavours by qualified engineers and scientists. But it does seem that once one of these batteries is on fire it is hard to put out.

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On Fri, 5 May 2023 21:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

- mindlessly support the politically driven (pun intended), rushed move to EVs.
https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/fire-fear-bent-martini-bans-electric-cars-from-havila-ropaxes/2-1-1387866
These batteries are dangerous and we need to stop the madness.
But I and others here have said that many times before, only to receive sarcasm
and ill thought through rhetoric.

That article is about a vehicle ferry operator. If you are raising
the issue of BEVs vulnerability to fire then this is more informative:

https://tinyurl.com/mpr23jt3

Yes there is a fire risk but so are ICE vehicles - after all the fuel
in the fuel tanks of cars on a vehicle ferry is hugely explosive
although well protected.

For BEVs it does seem sensible that where a battery fire occurs, the
car should be written off or the propulsion battery replaced.


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Crash McBash

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On 2023-05-05, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

- mindlessly support the politically driven (pun intended), rushed move to EVs.
https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/fire-fear-bent-martini-bans-electric-cars-from-havila-ropaxes/2-1-1387866
These batteries are dangerous and we need to stop the madness.
But I and others here have said that many times before, only to receive sarcasm
and ill thought through rhetoric.

Some data which would be helpful is the chance of a ICE vehicle going on
fire in the next year vs an EV. There is some "novelty" of EVs catching fire
so we look hard and notice every one. A bit like the "climate change"
weather.

There is also the standards one can has to reduce the chance of fire. A
quick session on you-tube will show how easily the batteries go on fire with slack QA.

A few fires in aparment garages will soon have the affect of increased priemiums for the insurance of the building. This will most likely have an effect of not allowing charging or the storage of the EV in the apartment building.

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On Fri, 5 May 2023 22:49:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:

On Fri, 5 May 2023 21:02:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

- mindlessly support the politically driven (pun intended), rushed move to >>>EVs. >>>https://www.tradewindsnews.com/casualties/fire-fear-bent-martini-bans-electric-cars-from-havila-ropaxes/2-1-1387866
These batteries are dangerous and we need to stop the madness.
But I and others here have said that many times before, only to receive >>>sarcasm
and ill thought through rhetoric.

That article is about a vehicle ferry operator. If you are raising
the issue of BEVs vulnerability to fire then this is more informative:

https://tinyurl.com/mpr23jt3

Yes there is a fire risk but so are ICE vehicles - after all the fuel
in the fuel tanks of cars on a vehicle ferry is hugely explosive
although well protected.

For BEVs it does seem sensible that where a battery fire occurs, the
car should be written off or the propulsion battery replaced.


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Crash McBash

Crash there is no definitive opinion on this issue. I have seen opinions of all
flavours by qualified engineers and scientists. But it does seem that once one >of these batteries is on fire it is hard to put out.

That is only because EV battery fires burn hotter than ICE engine
fires (fuelled by petrol or diesel. It would appear that the vehicle
ferry operator would rather refuse to carry BEV and Hybrids rather
than upgrade fire protection equipment and crew training. There may
be other considerations not covered by either article.

Fear of fire in any BEV in particular appears to be statistically less
likely than ICE so from a consumer point of view it should not be too
much of an issue.


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Crash McBash

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