• Who funds the TU?

    From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 08:01:56 2023
    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html


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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Apr 27 14:56:45 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 8:01:56 AM UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html


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    I'm a proud supporter and donor of these good New Zealanders who try to keep the government honest...

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Apr 27 21:56:51 2023
    On 2023-04-27, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html


    Ah look at that, transparent like we seldom see. All without a Official Information request.

    The increase in numbers in the last two years ceratinly says something about the Government's actions in the last two years.

    A link from that web page is worth while reading. Sure it is American but
    is also about one of the battles which is about to take place in the near future.

    Summed up as:

    "GOP members who cry ‘But what about the rights of private companies?’
    have failed to clock the existential nature of the battle at hand, which
    is between an unaccountable elite on one side and reason, democracy and
    the common sense of the electorate on the other. I know which side I’m on. Cry more, Disney."






    https://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.com/2023/04/brendan-oneill-ron-desantis-is-right-to.html#more

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Crash on Thu Apr 27 22:07:17 2023
    Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html


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    Well that puts the lie to the suggestion that the TU is funded and supported by a particular political party.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Apr 27 16:35:46 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 10:07:21 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> wrote:
    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html


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    Well that puts the lie to the suggestion that the TU is funded and supported by
    a particular political party.

    Won't change what passes for the mind of a certain lying supporter of them either....

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 28 12:56:10 2023
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation
    applied for and took money from the government's support for companies struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the
    money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from
    ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 28 01:50:02 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government >spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation >applied for and took money from the government's support for companies >struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the
    money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from
    ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.
    What absolute nonsense you spew. They are not a political lobby group, merely a group of people that wish to hold all governments to account. But once you have a lie stuck firmly in your tiny mind you cannot ever let it go can you?

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 19:33:10 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 1:01:16 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:
    Interesting article from DPF:

    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html
    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation applied for and took money from the government's support for companies struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the
    money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from
    ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.
    Cite required for this comparison of apples and oranges Rich!
    Funny how it exposes your lies about it's funding. but then you always have been a liar and dispenser of fake news and disinformation...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Apr 28 15:22:36 2023
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 01:50:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government >>spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation >>applied for and took money from the government's support for companies >>struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the >>money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from
    ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.
    What absolute nonsense you spew. They are not a political lobby group, merely a
    group of people that wish to hold all governments to account. But once you have
    a lie stuck firmly in your tiny mind you cannot ever let it go can you?

    from the url above:
    "We are arguably the successful grass roots funded political
    organisation in New Zealand."

    They do not put forward their own candidates, therefore they are a
    lobby group. They have enabled National to reduce the cost of polling
    through Curia, and to attract money that can be used for any political
    purpose they wish, without being accountable to anyone. It is part of
    their taking some of the dirty tricks structure slightly away from one political party.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 28 03:51:52 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 01:50:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government >>>spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation >>>applied for and took money from the government's support for companies >>>struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the >>>money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from >>>ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.
    What absolute nonsense you spew. They are not a political lobby group, merely >>a
    group of people that wish to hold all governments to account. But once you >>have
    a lie stuck firmly in your tiny mind you cannot ever let it go can you?

    from the url above:
    "We are arguably the successful grass roots funded political
    organisation in New Zealand."

    They do not put forward their own candidates, therefore they are a
    lobby group. They have enabled National to reduce the cost of polling
    through Curia, and to attract money that can be used for any political >purpose they wish, without being accountable to anyone. It is part of
    their taking some of the dirty tricks structure slightly away from one >political party.
    More nonsense. Nothing in the article suggests that they favour any political party.
    A political organisation is not necessarily a politically affiliated group.
    You are full of it.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 27 22:01:26 2023
    On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 3:27:43 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 01:50:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government >>spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation >>applied for and took money from the government's support for companies >>struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the >>money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from >>ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support >>those parties.
    What absolute nonsense you spew. They are not a political lobby group, merely a
    group of people that wish to hold all governments to account. But once you have
    a lie stuck firmly in your tiny mind you cannot ever let it go can you?
    from the url above:
    "We are arguably the successful grass roots funded political
    organisation in New Zealand."

    They do not put forward their own candidates, therefore they are a
    lobby group. They have enabled National to reduce the cost of polling through Curia, and to attract money that can be used for any political purpose they wish, without being accountable to anyone. It is part of
    their taking some of the dirty tricks structure slightly away from one political party.
    Do stop talking shit Rich! They're accountable to their supporters. As anyone with a functional braincell would understand! They don't pick on just one government. They've given National hell for bad decisions. You Rich are doing your typical whine about
    anyone who doesn't follow your lead and blindly follow and support Labour; the worst government in NZ history! Typical of fucking feral imbeciles like you and the government you worship!

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Fri Apr 28 04:42:10 2023
    On 2023-04-28, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 01:50:02 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government >>>spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation >>>applied for and took money from the government's support for companies >>>struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the >>>money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from >>>ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.
    What absolute nonsense you spew. They are not a political lobby group, merely a
    group of people that wish to hold all governments to account. But once you have
    a lie stuck firmly in your tiny mind you cannot ever let it go can you?

    from the url above:
    "We are arguably the successful grass roots funded political
    organisation in New Zealand."

    Yes they are political as they are trying to expose the taxpayers waste by governments.


    They do not put forward their own candidates, therefore they are a
    lobby group.

    True, they wish to draw attention to what is happening in the political
    arena, which is plenty these days.

    And now we have something completely different. (Monthy Python)

    They have enabled National to reduce the cost of polling
    through Curia, and to attract money that can be used for any political purpose they wish, without being accountable to anyone. It is part of
    their taking some of the dirty tricks structure slightly away from one political party.


    Seems to me that the system is broken, maybe.

    In a democracy people are allowed to form associations.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 29 11:59:05 2023
    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 12:56:10 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 08:01:56 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>
    wrote:

    Interesting article from DPF:
    https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2023/04/revealed_who_funds_the_taxpayers_union.html

    Shocking that despite their purported hatred of unnecessary government >spending, and their role as a political lobby group, this organisation >applied for and took money from the government's support for companies >struggling to remain in business as part of post-covid economic
    support . When that became public, they declined to return any of the
    money. A disgraceful leech on New Zealand that attracts donations from
    ACT and National Supporters that know they will not have to be names
    for political donations, and that the money will be used to support
    those parties.

    The TU is an employer and missing from your rant is any evidence that
    the TU claimed a benefit for their employees that was illegal. The
    wage subsidy was intended to help out employers for employees that
    could no longer work because of Covid-era lockdowns.

    If the TU acted illegally then it points to the fact that the wage
    subsidy was poorly targeted.


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