A well researched and written book. >https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:57:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
A well researched and written book. >>https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
While I agree that the position on co-governance is good, there are
several other provisions on page 3 that I do not agree with:
1. The belief that English must be preserved as our main language.
This implies other languages are secondary. We currently have more
than one language recognised officially, however media and government
do not seem to recognise that Maori is not widely spoken and therefore
should not be the prime language used - everything should be in
English with Maori equivalents as a second text. This is a 'numbers >speaking' issue, not a cultural one.
2. A Commission of Treaty Fraud and corruption.
This is meaningless and demeaning. Specific allegations should be
made first to establish any such need.
3. Repeal of all race-based legislation.
This is far to general a statement. Name the Acts that need repeal or >partial repeal.
This publication goes too far in the direction of re-asserting
European superiority and culture over Maori.
On 2023-04-24, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:There is already significant damage, you are correct that we have a lot of work and goodwill ahead if we are to mend ourselves.
On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:57:54 -0000 (UTC), TonySome of this is probably in response to the way co_governance has been >introduced, the we can do this so we will attitude.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
A well researched and written book. >>>https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online >>While I agree that the position on co-governance is good, there are
several other provisions on page 3 that I do not agree with:
1. The belief that English must be preserved as our main language.
This implies other languages are secondary. We currently have more
than one language recognised officially, however media and government
do not seem to recognise that Maori is not widely spoken and therefore
should not be the prime language used - everything should be in
English with Maori equivalents as a second text. This is a 'numbers
speaking' issue, not a cultural one.
2. A Commission of Treaty Fraud and corruption.
This is meaningless and demeaning. Specific allegations should be
made first to establish any such need.
3. Repeal of all race-based legislation.
This is far to general a statement. Name the Acts that need repeal or
partial repeal.
This publication goes too far in the direction of re-asserting
European superiority and culture over Maori.
There is a push back movement/public opinon.
On a wider front is that matter of how we can get to some agreement and move >on. It will take some time and great will.
On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:57:54 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
A well researched and written book. >>https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
While I agree that the position on co-governance is good, there are
several other provisions on page 3 that I do not agree with:
1. The belief that English must be preserved as our main language.
This implies other languages are secondary. We currently have more
than one language recognised officially, however media and government
do not seem to recognise that Maori is not widely spoken and therefore
should not be the prime language used - everything should be in
English with Maori equivalents as a second text. This is a 'numbers speaking' issue, not a cultural one.
2. A Commission of Treaty Fraud and corruption.
This is meaningless and demeaning. Specific allegations should be
made first to establish any such need.
3. Repeal of all race-based legislation.
This is far to general a statement. Name the Acts that need repeal or partial repeal.
This publication goes too far in the direction of re-asserting
European superiority and culture over Maori.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
On 2023-04-24, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> wrote:There is already significant damage, you are correct that we have a lot of work
On Mon, 24 Apr 2023 19:57:54 -0000 (UTC), TonySome of this is probably in response to the way co_governance has been >>introduced, the we can do this so we will attitude.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
A well researched and written book. >>>>https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
While I agree that the position on co-governance is good, there are
several other provisions on page 3 that I do not agree with:
1. The belief that English must be preserved as our main language.
This implies other languages are secondary. We currently have more
than one language recognised officially, however media and government
do not seem to recognise that Maori is not widely spoken and therefore
should not be the prime language used - everything should be in
English with Maori equivalents as a second text. This is a 'numbers
speaking' issue, not a cultural one.
2. A Commission of Treaty Fraud and corruption.
This is meaningless and demeaning. Specific allegations should be
made first to establish any such need.
3. Repeal of all race-based legislation.
This is far to general a statement. Name the Acts that need repeal or
partial repeal.
This publication goes too far in the direction of re-asserting
European superiority and culture over Maori.
There is a push back movement/public opinon.
On a wider front is that matter of how we can get to some agreement and move >>on. It will take some time and great will.
and goodwill ahead if we are to mend ourselves.
A well researched and written book. https://issuu.com/esisite/docs/3481_jb_-_go-governance_-_a5_booklet_-_online
In case you have not become aware of this
http://stopcogovernance.kiwi
So it looks that we have yet another group who feels the need to battle the >issues from the Government.
This fits into the Great Reset plan.
An authoritative and well argued position. National are not fightingThe racist nutter are all on the left Rich. Typified by the drive to destroy democracy with co governance! Hell it's supported by the Maori party and the Labour Maori caucus. Two of the worst racist groupd in new Zealand and no amount of gaslighting from
with ACT over this - they are happy to avoid too many racist nutters
in their ranks; but if ACT can bring their votes in the most
objectionable policies can be quietly shelved.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/05-09-2023/what-would-act-in-government-mean-for-co-governance-and-the-treaty
from that article:
"Finlayson – who enacted several co-governance initiatives during his
time in government – also supports the kaupapa. In an interview with E-Tangata last year, he said the Crown “went out of its way to breach” the “unqualified exercise of . . . [Maori] chieftainship over their
lands, villages and . . . treasures”, and co-governance helped right
those wrongs. Finlayson said he wanted New Zealanders to accept that
iwi involvement in state activities is good and natural. “I will
continue to talk about co-governance as something to be embraced, not
feared – and some people won’t like it. Bad luck,” he said to E-Tangata. Speaking to RNZ, Finlayson said those who oppose
co-governance were the “sour right” who employed “racist, resentful rhetoric”. “We’ve just got to leave those losers behind and move on,”
he noted, adding, “there’s a new regime, get with it, folks.” Although he supports co-governance, Finlayson said Labour had explained the
concept poorly and he would like to see a more respectful and civil
debate."
An authoritative and well argued position. National are not fighting
with ACT over this - they are happy to avoid too many racist nutters
in their ranks;
but if ACT can bring their votes in the most
objectionable policies can be quietly shelved.
https://thespinoff.co.nz/atea/05-09-2023/what-would-act-in-government-mean-for-co-governance-and-the-treaty
from that article:
"Finlayson – who enacted several co-governance initiatives during his
time in government – also supports the kaupapa. In an interview with E-Tangata last year, he said the Crown “went out of its way to breach”
the “unqualified exercise of . . . [Maori] chieftainship over their
lands, villages and . . . treasures”, and co-governance helped right
those wrongs. Finlayson said he wanted New Zealanders to accept that
iwi involvement in state activities is good and natural. “I will
continue to talk about co-governance as something to be embraced, not
feared – and some people won’t like it. Bad luck,” he said to
E-Tangata. Speaking to RNZ, Finlayson said those who oppose
co-governance were the “sour right” who employed “racist, resentful rhetoric”. “We’ve just got to leave those losers behind and move on,”
he noted, adding, “there’s a new regime, get with it, folks.” Although
he supports co-governance, Finlayson said Labour had explained the
concept poorly and he would like to see a more respectful and civil
debate."
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