• Stuff - the paid-for government mouthpiece.

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 15 02:14:21 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Apr 15 16:06:45 2023
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this : https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Apr 15 04:13:48 2023
    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so
    is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to
    remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Apr 15 16:40:05 2023
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that >approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or >all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested >party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so >is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a >weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to >remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.

    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such
    "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 15 04:49:50 2023
    On 2023-04-15, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this : https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .


    Your post above seems to go a good way to doing so.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 15 05:19:18 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this : >https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .
    Off topic

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >admiration for NatAct . . .
    I have no such admiration and I have never stated an opinion of the two papers you mention. SO you are making shit up again.collectively

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    I did not say they were biassed.
    I said they were paid for - do please take that remedial English class I suggested a few years ago.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 22:34:33 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:44:33 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that >approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or
    all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested >party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so >is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a >weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to >remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.
    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government
    Get your head out of your arse and go look for once in your useless and unproductive life Rich. The evidence is out there no matter what lies you tell!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 22:29:50 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this : https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sat Apr 15 18:15:54 2023
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:34:33 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:44:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that >> >approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or
    all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested >> >party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so >> >is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a >> >weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to
    remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.
    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such
    "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government
    Get your head out of your arse and go look for once in your useless and unproductive life Rich. The evidence is out there no matter what lies you tell!

    It certainly appears that you cannot find any such evidence. Why do
    you so obviously lie, John?

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 15 06:28:56 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:49:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking
    admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .


    Your post above seems to go a good way to doing so.

    No, it is quite balanced and independent reporting - the conclusion
    that ACT is unbalanced is not a conclusion expressed by Stuff - that
    is merely likely to be the view of many readers who find his policies
    very unattractive . . .
    Gordon was correct - your bias is showing.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Apr 15 18:12:58 2023
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:49:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking
    admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .


    Your post above seems to go a good way to doing so.

    No, it is quite balanced and independent reporting - the conclusion
    that ACT is unbalanced is not a conclusion expressed by Stuff - that
    is merely likely to be the view of many readers who find his policies
    very unattractive . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 15 00:51:03 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 6:17:22 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:49:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking
    admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .


    Your post above seems to go a good way to doing so.
    No, it is quite balanced and independent reporting - the conclusion
    that ACT is unbalanced is not a conclusion expressed by Stuff - that
    is merely likely to be the view of many readers who find his policies
    very unattractive . . .
    BULLSHIT! It's only balanced if your an imbecilic Marxist like you Rich! Stuff is neck deep in the governments bribe named the Journalistic fund!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 15 00:53:45 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 6:20:19 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:34:33 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:44:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that
    approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or
    all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested
    party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so
    is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a
    weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to >> >remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.
    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such
    "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government
    Get your head out of your arse and go look for once in your useless and unproductive life Rich. The evidence is out there no matter what lies you tell!
    It certainly appears that you cannot find any such evidence. Why do
    you so obviously lie, John?

    It's even more evident that you can only rely on your ever stupid and biased opinion Rich. If there was evidence to refute my claim (which there ain't) you wouldn't be able to find it.
    Try going for a cruise through twitter you'll be surprised what you might find. Though with your comprehnsion skills that'd be as miraculous as two Labour ministers tellling the same story...

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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 16 07:56:37 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking
    admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your
    first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that
    you are a serial liar . . .

    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off
    with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the
    government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Mutley on Sat Apr 15 15:20:35 2023
    On Sunday, April 16, 2023 at 7:56:41 AM UTC+12, Mutley wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago >>> Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >>> admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your
    first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that
    you are a serial liar . . .
    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off
    with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.
    The Labour payoff to the media go back to 2018. Oh and it was at least $55 million. Though the NZ media at present aren't worth $55 ;)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 15 15:32:08 2023
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 6:20:19 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:34:33 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:44:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that
    approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or
    all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested
    party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so
    is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a
    weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to >> >remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.
    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such
    "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government
    Get your head out of your arse and go look for once in your useless and unproductive life Rich. The evidence is out there no matter what lies you tell!
    It certainly appears that you cannot find any such evidence. Why do
    you so obviously lie, John?
    Enjoy your dead rats Rich! https://twitter.com/OpinionistNZ/status/1647342554957086720/photo/1

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 16:16:11 2023
    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:56:37 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/


    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago
    Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >>>> admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your
    first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that
    you are a serial liar . . .

    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off
    with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the >government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.

    You were asked to provide proof - an effort to do so would demonstrate
    to you that you are wrong . . .

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Tue Apr 25 16:20:12 2023
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:32:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 6:20:19?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:34:33 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:44:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/

    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that
    approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or
    all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested
    party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so
    is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a
    weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to >> >> >remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.
    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such
    "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government
    Get your head out of your arse and go look for once in your useless and unproductive life Rich. The evidence is out there no matter what lies you tell!
    It certainly appears that you cannot find any such evidence. Why do
    you so obviously lie, John?
    Enjoy your dead rats Rich! https://twitter.com/OpinionistNZ/status/1647342554957086720/photo/1
    NZ On Air is not the Labour Party . . . .
    NZ on Air funding must be used in a specific way - have a look and you
    can then apologise

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 01:06:04 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:21:19 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:56:37 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/ >>>>

    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago >>>> Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >>>> admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your >>first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that
    you are a serial liar . . .

    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off
    with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the >government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.
    You were asked to provide proof - an effort to do so would demonstrate
    to you that you are wrong . . .
    you've been asked plenty of times to provide proof and never have so try practicing what you preach tranny lover!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 25 01:05:12 2023
    On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 4:25:18 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 15:32:08 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 6:20:19?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:34:33 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:44:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 15 Apr 2023 04:13:48 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    On 2023-04-15, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/ >> >> >
    From a link in that article.


    https://www.jmadresearch.com/_files/ugd/a95e86_506c8b2b92ea45d9b13eba92fdcdb354.pdf

    This has some interesting facts (and graphs in it). It appears at best that
    approx 40% trust the News and 69% do not enagage with it from time to time, or
    all the time.

    In a democracy the Fourth Estate needs to be a moderator, an uninterested
    party. Once the news is in bed with the Government the trust is lost and so
    is the moderation. While the Government thinks "donating" to the Media is a
    weapon to be used on the other side and thus "destroy" all it does is to
    remove the moderation and allows the slide into total tribalism.
    So what money has been donated to Stuff that produced any article
    relating to NZ political parties? There is no mention of any such
    "donations" in the jmad article which indicates higher trust in RNZ
    and TVNZ than many other news media - They may be government funded
    but there are strong precautions against political influence by
    government
    Get your head out of your arse and go look for once in your useless and unproductive life Rich. The evidence is out there no matter what lies you tell!
    It certainly appears that you cannot find any such evidence. Why do
    you so obviously lie, John?
    Enjoy your dead rats Rich! https://twitter.com/OpinionistNZ/status/1647342554957086720/photo/1
    NZ On Air is not the Labour Party . . . .
    NZ on Air funding must be used in a specific way - have a look and you
    can then apologise
    Prove they're obeying their own claims if you can Rich and I'm still waiting for about twenty appologies from you so get stuffed!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Mutley@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Apr 26 11:56:05 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:56:37 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/ >>>>>

    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this :
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago >>>>> Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >>>>> admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your >>>first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that
    you are a serial liar . . .

    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off
    with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the >>government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.

    You were asked to provide proof - an effort to do so would demonstrate
    to you that you are wrong . . .

    The proof is reading the likes of Stuff and NZ Herald . All government promoting stories. Anything to counter that is suppressed and you
    any see it in the likes of Twitter and this group . Even the most
    blind Liebor supporter like you can see that.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Mutley on Wed Apr 26 00:10:25 2023
    Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com> wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:56:37 +1200, Mutley <mutley2000@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/ >>>>>>

    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this : >>>>>> >>>>>>https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support
    partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the
    right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago >>>>>> Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >>>>>> admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. >>>>>Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but
    Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that
    the NZ media hadn't reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below >>>>>National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism >>>>>bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your >>>>first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that >>>>you are a serial liar . . .

    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off >>>with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the >>>government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.

    You were asked to provide proof - an effort to do so would demonstrate
    to you that you are wrong . . .

    The proof is reading the likes of Stuff and NZ Herald . All government >promoting stories. Anything to counter that is suppressed and you
    any see it in the likes of Twitter and this group . Even the most
    blind Liebor supporter like you can see that.
    Seeing and acknowledging are unrelated for Rich.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Mutley on Tue Apr 25 17:38:00 2023
    On Wednesday, April 26, 2023 at 11:56:09 AM UTC+12, Mutley wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 07:56:37 +1200, Mutley <mutle...@hotmail.com>
    wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:

    On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 22:29:50 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Saturday, April 15, 2023 at 4:11:13?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 02:14:21 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    https://thebfd.co.nz/2023/04/14/the-height-of-hypocrisy-from-stuff/ >>>>>

    Clearly Stuff is biassed against National to have published this : >>>>> https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/131777857/david-seymour-covid-isolation-rules-reflect-bad-decisions-based-on-bad-advice
    It really is unfair to point out how unbalanced Nationals support >>>>> partner is - but on the other hand Seymour is seen by many on the >>>>> right as a better leader than Luxon . . .

    But your assertion that Stuff is in any way biassed towards the
    government is as untrue as claiming that The Herald / DomPost / Otago >>>>> Times etc are biassed - just because they do not share your unthinking >>>>> admiration for NatAct . . .

    If you really think there is a bias, provide evidence . . .
    Stuff reports what the government wants and pays for it to report Rich. Explain why a violent attack by feral tranny at Albert park was described but Stuff as a peaceful protest while many overseas newspapers where shocked that the NZ media hadn't
    reported that fact!
    Your constant support for a government that is steadily dropping below National polling only makes me wonder how much YOU get from the Journalism bribe!

    Provide evidence for any such payments, John Bowes. This is not your >>>first lie relating to this issue; lack of evidence will confirm that >>>you are a serial liar . . .

    Rich. Everyone knows that the news media in this country was paid off >>with the $55 covid fund and are still being paid off to promote the >>government line. The news media in NZ is just a New Zealand version
    of Pravda. Want to find out what's really going on here you have to
    look at overseas media.

    You were asked to provide proof - an effort to do so would demonstrate
    to you that you are wrong . . .
    The proof is reading the likes of Stuff and NZ Herald . All government promoting stories. Anything to counter that is suppressed and you
    any see it in the likes of Twitter and this group . Even the most
    blind Liebor supporter like you can see that.
    You just have to see Luxon going to Australian media so his message gets out their. NO NZ media give him a chance to announce some excellent ideas!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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