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    From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 14 04:49:40 2023
    To-day it is 6 months to the General election, The Polls.

    Together we will be offered a vote (or two as it is under MMP) and we must
    hope like anything that we together can set in motion a change of direction
    for this country.

    For those of you who think that MMP is a poor show compared to FPP, let us contimplate that over the last 3 years NZ has been governed in effect by a
    FPP Government.

    Back in 1993 NZ made the move to MMP as it saw injustices in the FFP system.
    So here we are 30 years later once again seeing the faults of the FPP in big time.

    In 2020 the voters did not have the vision of the year. They made a huge mistake, a total failure followed.

    As we awake on the morning of let us hope at least that all that is done
    this day is to count the votes and for the power to be transfered
    peacefully, and New Zealand is governed by capable people, and fit for
    purpose.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Apr 14 18:27:51 2023
    On 14 Apr 2023 04:49:40 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    To-day it is 6 months to the General election, The Polls.

    Together we will be offered a vote (or two as it is under MMP) and we must >hope like anything that we together can set in motion a change of direction >for this country.

    For those of you who think that MMP is a poor show compared to FPP, let us >contimplate that over the last 3 years NZ has been governed in effect by a >FPP Government.

    Back in 1993 NZ made the move to MMP as it saw injustices in the FFP system. >So here we are 30 years later once again seeing the faults of the FPP in big >time.

    In 2020 the voters did not have the vision of the year. They made a huge >mistake, a total failure followed.

    As we awake on the morning of let us hope at least that all that is done
    this day is to count the votes and for the power to be transfered
    peacefully, and New Zealand is governed by capable people, and fit for >purpose.


    Gordon the events leading up to the general election in 2020 are not
    likely never to be repeated - a combination of an articulate Labour PM
    and a fool 3rd-choice (after Bridges and Muller) leader of National.
    All of the senior previous National leaders that remained, bailed out
    after the 2017 election. So a combination of pixie-dust from Labour
    and leadership-churn from National after 9 years of government
    contributed to the 2020 result. National must rue the fact that
    English and Joyce did not have the gumption to stay on in opposition
    when their party needed them most.

    Rich, this does not make me a Nat-bot, it simply cements my position
    as an interested observer until Labour sprung their 3-waters
    legislation on us. If Labour ever disowns 3-waters I will again
    return to being an interested but unbiased political observer.


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  • From JohnO@21:1/5 to Crash on Sun Apr 16 12:50:22 2023
    On Friday, 14 April 2023 at 18:27:56 UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    On 14 Apr 2023 04:49:40 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    To-day it is 6 months to the General election, The Polls.

    Together we will be offered a vote (or two as it is under MMP) and we must >hope like anything that we together can set in motion a change of direction >for this country.

    For those of you who think that MMP is a poor show compared to FPP, let us >contimplate that over the last 3 years NZ has been governed in effect by a >FPP Government.

    Back in 1993 NZ made the move to MMP as it saw injustices in the FFP system.
    So here we are 30 years later once again seeing the faults of the FPP in big
    time.

    In 2020 the voters did not have the vision of the year. They made a huge >mistake, a total failure followed.

    As we awake on the morning of let us hope at least that all that is done >this day is to count the votes and for the power to be transfered >peacefully, and New Zealand is governed by capable people, and fit for >purpose.


    Gordon the events leading up to the general election in 2020 are not
    likely never to be repeated - a combination of an articulate Labour PM
    and a fool 3rd-choice (after Bridges and Muller) leader of National.
    All of the senior previous National leaders that remained, bailed out
    after the 2017 election. So a combination of pixie-dust from Labour
    and leadership-churn from National after 9 years of government
    contributed to the 2020 result. National must rue the fact that
    English and Joyce did not have the gumption to stay on in opposition
    when their party needed them most.

    Rich, this does not make me a Nat-bot, it simply cements my position
    as an interested observer until Labour sprung their 3-waters
    legislation on us. If Labour ever disowns 3-waters I will again
    return to being an interested but unbiased political observer.


    --
    Crash McBash

    Not only sprung 5 Waters expropriation of assets - but also 50% iwi on the committee that selects the boards - so Maori will control the boards. But even more insidiously, Mana o Te Wai statements allow direct intervention in the water company operations
    at any local hapu level.

    It is all under an environment where a senior Labour cabinet minister clearly explains that in Labour's view, NZ is not a one person, one vote democracy.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/local-government-minister-kieran-mcanultys-comments-on-democracy-concern-opposition-amid-water-reform-debates/4WMAQKWWRJHPPOMQKC225GCNBQ/

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 17 08:20:12 2023
    On Sun, 16 Apr 2023 12:50:22 -0700 (PDT), JohnO <johno1234@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On Friday, 14 April 2023 at 18:27:56 UTC+12, Crash wrote:
    On 14 Apr 2023 04:49:40 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    To-day it is 6 months to the General election, The Polls.

    Together we will be offered a vote (or two as it is under MMP) and we must >> >hope like anything that we together can set in motion a change of direction >> >for this country.

    For those of you who think that MMP is a poor show compared to FPP, let us >> >contimplate that over the last 3 years NZ has been governed in effect by a >> >FPP Government.

    Back in 1993 NZ made the move to MMP as it saw injustices in the FFP system.
    So here we are 30 years later once again seeing the faults of the FPP in big
    time.

    In 2020 the voters did not have the vision of the year. They made a huge
    mistake, a total failure followed.

    As we awake on the morning of let us hope at least that all that is done
    this day is to count the votes and for the power to be transfered
    peacefully, and New Zealand is governed by capable people, and fit for
    purpose.


    Gordon the events leading up to the general election in 2020 are not
    likely never to be repeated - a combination of an articulate Labour PM
    and a fool 3rd-choice (after Bridges and Muller) leader of National.
    All of the senior previous National leaders that remained, bailed out
    after the 2017 election. So a combination of pixie-dust from Labour
    and leadership-churn from National after 9 years of government
    contributed to the 2020 result. National must rue the fact that
    English and Joyce did not have the gumption to stay on in opposition
    when their party needed them most.

    Rich, this does not make me a Nat-bot, it simply cements my position
    as an interested observer until Labour sprung their 3-waters
    legislation on us. If Labour ever disowns 3-waters I will again
    return to being an interested but unbiased political observer.


    --
    Crash McBash

    Not only sprung 5 Waters expropriation of assets - but also 50% iwi on the committee that selects the boards - so Maori will control the boards. But even more insidiously, Mana o Te Wai statements allow direct intervention in the water company
    operations at any local hapu level.

    It is all under an environment where a senior Labour cabinet minister clearly explains that in Labour's view, NZ is not a one person, one vote democracy.
    https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/local-government-minister-kieran-mcanultys-comments-on-democracy-concern-opposition-amid-water-reform-debates/4WMAQKWWRJHPPOMQKC225GCNBQ/

    Yet another article that fails to note that for Northland and
    Auckland, there is no change - so neither Northland or Auckland see
    increased 'localisation of control' that the rest of the country gets.

    We clearly will have an election that is about co-governance with all
    other issues being secondary.


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    Crash McBash

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