Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by rate payers.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further >distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most >important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by >rate payers.
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further >>distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyWhat are you trying to say here Rich? Tony was perfectly clear about who should vote. Your usual tactic of muddying the waters (no pun intended) just highlights the fact that YOU make shit up whenever it becomes obvious your inglorious Labour party fucks
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionallyWhy do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most >>important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by >>rate payers.
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further >>>distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
No. The new reforms are Clayton efforts - the reform you have when
you don't want a meaningful reform. The PM has indeed tried to put
lipstick on a pig - but it is still a pig.
One thing seemingly missed by every media outlet is the fact that
Water Entity A is unchanged - 4 have not become 10, the other 3 have
become 9. For Northlanders this means no change.
Good to see Luxon immediately rejecting the PMs plans and again
committing to repeal.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most >>important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by >>rate payers.
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further >>>distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most >important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by >rate payers.
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further >>distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>>>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>>>>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do explain that bit of silliness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are now. Nothing silly about that you silly man.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The >>>>most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a >>>>>further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>>>>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected >>>>by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do explain that bit of silliness.
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or
for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most >important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by >rate payers.
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further >>distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion >>until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:scientific process!
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionallyI will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local
authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or
for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.
It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain that thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the even a vestige of
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Now councils are elected by residents as well as ratepayers (and while
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are now. Nothing silly about that you silly man.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do explain that bit of silliness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The >>>>>most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a >>>>>>further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected >>>>>by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou pathetic little toad. You have completely failed to understand what I wrote and your infantile attempt to psychoanalyse me is indicative of the seriously undereducated cockroach you resemble.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do explain that bit of silliness.I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. >>> >>>>>The mosthttps://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a >>> >>>>>>further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of
oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be
elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local
authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or
for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.
It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain that >>thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing >>people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the even
a vestige of scientific process!
elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would
not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I
don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that
pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his
proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesscientific process!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionallyI will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >> >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local
authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or
for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.
It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain that thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the even a vestige of
It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions beWhy do you keep repeating the same tired liess Rich. It's only in the diseased piece of meat you claim is a brain that created that bullshit! Just because democracy and free speech is abhorrent to nasty little feral Marxist like you doesn't mean
elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would
not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I
don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his
proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 20:29:21 -0000 (UTC), TonySo once again as usual the feral Rich80105 burbles bloody bullshit in an effort to confirm he's a mindless supporter of whatever crap Labour wants to push through like the totalitarian Marxists they are!
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Now councils are elected by residents as well as ratepayers (and while
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are now. Nothing silly about that you silly man.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do explain that bit of silliness.
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a >>>>>>further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
most
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected
by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
they are often both resident and ratepayer, there are plenty who are
only one of those - and the number of adult residents is growing as
fewer are able to afford to purchase a home.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesscientific process!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyDo explain that bit of silliness.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionallyI will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local
authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or
for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.
It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain that thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the even a vestige of
It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be
elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would
not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I
don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that
pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his
proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:You pathetic little toad. You have completely failed to understand what I wrote
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use
wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
Do explain that bit of silliness.I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. >>>> >>>>>The mosthttps://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>> >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a >>>> >>>>>>further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of >>>> >>>>>>oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be >>>> >>>>>elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local
authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>> >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or
for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.
It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain that >>>thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing >>>people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the even
a vestige of scientific process!
elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would
not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I
don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that >>pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his
proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
and your infantile attempt to psychoanalyse me is indicative of the seriously >undereducated cockroach you resemble.
Your childish attempt to belittle me is noted, you will one day receive the >results of your viciousness here and many other places.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:39:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyI got nothing wrong, I expressed an opinion. You are a child in geriatric clothing, your never having grown up must have made your families lives a real misery.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:You pathetic little toad. You have completely failed to understand what I >>wrote
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain >>>>that
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>> >wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not useDo explain that bit of silliness.I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. >>>>> >>>>>The mosthttps://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>>> >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at >>>>> >>>>>>a
further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of >>>>> >>>>>>oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be >>>>> >>>>>elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>> >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>> >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by
rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees?
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or >>>>> for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money. >>>>
thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing >>>>people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the >>>>even
a vestige of scientific process!
elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would
not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I >>>don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that >>>pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his
proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
and your infantile attempt to psychoanalyse me is indicative of the seriously >>undereducated cockroach you resemble.
Your childish attempt to belittle me is noted, you will one day receive the >>results of your viciousness here and many other places.
You still got it wrong, and your arrogance prevents you admitting it.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And your opinion was that the votres should be restricted to the
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:39:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyI got nothing wrong, I expressed an opinion.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:You pathetic little toad. You have completely failed to understand what I >>>wrote
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be >>>>elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain >>>>>that
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>> >wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not useDo explain that bit of silliness.I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions.https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>>>> >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at >>>>>> >>>>>>a
further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of >>>>>> >>>>>>oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
The most
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be >>>>>> >>>>>elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>>> >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>>> >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>>>>> >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees? >>>>>> >
Bill.
either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or >>>>>> for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money. >>>>>
thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. Appointing
people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the >>>>>even
a vestige of scientific process!
not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I >>>>don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that >>>>pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his
proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
and your infantile attempt to psychoanalyse me is indicative of the seriously
undereducated cockroach you resemble.
Your childish attempt to belittle me is noted, you will one day receive the >>>results of your viciousness here and many other places.
You still got it wrong, and your arrogance prevents you admitting it.
You are a child in geriatric
clothing, your never having grown up must have made your families lives a real >misery.
Piss off you unfortunate mental cripple.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 20:29:21 -0000 (UTC), TonySo what? What tiny minded imagined retort did you intend?
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Now councils are elected by residents as well as ratepayers (and while
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), TonyThey are now. Nothing silly about that you silly man.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:Do explain that bit of silliness.
Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>https://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious questions. The >>>>>>most
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it at a >>>>>>>further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of >>>>>>>oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be >>>>>>elected
by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
they are often both resident and ratepayer, there are plenty who are
only one of those - and the number of adult residents is growing as
fewer are able to afford to purchase a home.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:27:19 -0000 (UTC), TonyNo that is not my opinion. You are a childish racist.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:And your opinion was that the votres should be restricted to the
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:39:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyI got nothing wrong, I expressed an opinion.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:You pathetic little toad. You have completely failed to understand what I >>>>wrote
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be >>>>>elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would >>>>>not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I >>>>>don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that >>>>>pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his >>>>>proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain >>>>>>that
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> >wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use >>>>>>> either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or >>>>>>> for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money. >>>>>>Do explain that bit of silliness.I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvioushttps://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago. >>>>>>> >>>>>>
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it >>>>>>> >>>>>>at
a
further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of >>>>>>> >>>>>>oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists.
questions.
The most
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be >>>>>>> >>>>>elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local >>>>>>> >>>>authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting >>>>>>> >>>>systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>>>>>> >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees? >>>>>>> >
Bill.
thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. >>>>>>Appointing
people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the >>>>>>even
a vestige of scientific process!
and your infantile attempt to psychoanalyse me is indicative of the >>>>seriously
undereducated cockroach you resemble.
Your childish attempt to belittle me is noted, you will one day receive the >>>>results of your viciousness here and many other places.
You still got it wrong, and your arrogance prevents you admitting it.
privileged group of property owners who pay rates - you were wrong.
You are a child in geriatric
clothing, your never having grown up must have made your families lives a >>real
misery.
Piss off you unfortunate mental cripple.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:A childish feral comprehensionless imbecile sounds about right for the loser Rich80105...
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 02:27:19 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
No that is not my opinion. You are a childish racist.Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:And your opinion was that the votres should be restricted to the >privileged group of property owners who pay rates - you were wrong.
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 00:39:42 -0000 (UTC), TonyI got nothing wrong, I expressed an opinion.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 13:16:58 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:You pathetic little toad. You have completely failed to understand what I
On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:06:22?AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>> On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 05:04:50 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote: >>>>>>>It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be >>>>>elected only by ratepayers, the implication being that others would >>>>>not get a vote. I agree with you that he was being anti-democratic; I >>>>>don't believe he was trying to be raqcist as well, but it is true that >>>>>pakeha own a disproportionate percentage of properties, so his >>>>>proposal may have had the effect of being racist.
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 19:07:33 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>>>>> >wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 05:31:05 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 13 Apr 2023 03:33:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
I asked why, if we are to elect for any purpose, we would not use >>>>>>> either the system for electoin of regional and local councillors, or >>>>>>> for electing MPs. A third electoral system is a stupid waste of money.Do explain that bit of silliness.The mosthttps://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/major-shakeup-will-see-affordable-water-reforms-led-and-delivered-regionally
Right this is a good start which should have happened months ago.
Relaod, aim, and fire as the target is still standing all be it
at
a
further
distance.
Kicking it down the road, to remove the distraction and level of
oppostion
until the Election.
The battle is still very much on. The core still exists. >>>>>>> >>>>>I will wait to see the detail but there are still obvious >>>>>>> >>>>>questions.
important one is whether the people who make the decisions will be
elected by
rate payers.
Why do you want votes to be other than by residents (as for local
authorities), or by those entitled to vote for MPs? A third voting
systems seems unnecessarily complicated.
You wanted "the people that make the decisions" to be elected by >>>>>>> >>rate-payers - that was the silliness.
What's so silly about that?
Who do you think should make the decisions? Unelected appointees? >>>>>>> >
Bill.
It was only what pases for your anti freedom, anti women's rights brain
that
thinks there was any suggestion of a new electoral process Rich. >>>>>>Appointing
people purely because of race is anti democratic and racist to anyone the
even
a vestige of scientific process!
wrote
and your infantile attempt to psychoanalyse me is indicative of the >>>>seriously
undereducated cockroach you resemble.
Your childish attempt to belittle me is noted, you will one day receive the
results of your viciousness here and many other places.
You still got it wrong, and your arrogance prevents you admitting it.
You are a child in geriatric
clothing, your never having grown up must have made your families lives a >>real
misery.
Piss off you unfortunate mental cripple.
It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be
elected only by ratepayers,
On Fri, 14 Apr 2023 12:31:42 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
wrote:
That went whoosh over Rich's delicate little noggin. He has no hope of understanding the message.It was Tony that was suggesting that those that make decisions be
elected only by ratepayers,
That reminds me of an Alf Garnet episode in which his daughter told
him that all rich people are fat.
He then pointed to his wife and said "She ain't rich".
Bill.
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