• The treaty

    From Tony@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 8 21:12:55 2023
    XPost: nz.politics

    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty. Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists. Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Apr 8 15:50:44 2023
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists. Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who signed the
    treaty on both sides!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sun Apr 9 15:04:04 2023
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy.
    Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists. >> Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who signed
    the treaty on both sides!

    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 8 21:03:55 2023
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. >> Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who signed
    the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    What a load of utter garbage! The treaty we rely on today doesn't even bear a vague resemblance to the english version Rich! What the fact the so called translator was or wasn't matters not! What he wrote wasn't even close to the original version!
    Besides the treaty used now has only been used since the 50's so as usual you lie to push your ignorant opinion Rich!

    btw it's THE!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 9 04:12:06 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the >>>Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. >>> Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical >>>elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing >>their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab
    for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of >>many who signed the treaty on both sides!

    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    Wrong - read about the man and read his book. I think you might be able to do that, but understanding it is another matter.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 12 15:08:18 2023
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. >> Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who signed
    the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    So why did he write his book about The Treaty in Maori and why did he quote the English version of the treaty in it.
    It seems that as usual you don't have a clue what you're talking about Rich. Here do some study for once in your pointless and useless life! file:///C:/Users/User/Desktop/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Wed Apr 12 22:56:49 2023
    On 2023-04-12, John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. >> >> Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who signed
    the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    So why did he write his book about The Treaty in Maori and why did he quote the English version of the treaty in it.
    It seems that as usual you don't have a clue what you're talking about Rich. Here do some study for once in your pointless and useless life! file:///C:/Users/User/Desktop/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf

    More useful for Rich is the URL posted earlier in this thread.


    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Gordon on Wed Apr 12 21:49:33 2023
    On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 10:56:51 AM UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-04-12, John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy.
    Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who
    signed the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    So why did he write his book about The Treaty in Maori and why did he quote the English version of the treaty in it.
    It seems that as usual you don't have a clue what you're talking about Rich.
    Here do some study for once in your pointless and useless life! file:///C:/Users/User/Desktop/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    More useful for Rich is the URL posted earlier in this thread.


    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    Both lead to the same book mate. The one Rich won't read because he knows it was written in Maori so the English settlers would read it... :)

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 13 03:26:11 2023
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. >> Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the behaviour of many who signed
    the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    Come on Rich! I'm still waiting for you to explain why Sir Apirana Ngata wrote his book in Maori for an English audience...
    Though I'm pretty sure your claim was just another of your typical lies!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Thu Apr 13 20:32:09 2023
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:

    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the
    Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy. >> >> Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical
    elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry
    basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A
    disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the
    behaviour of many who signed the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    Come on Rich! I'm still waiting for you to explain why Sir Apirana Ngata wrote >his book in Maori for an English audience...
    Though I'm pretty sure your claim was just another of your typical lies!
    The current "recognised" version of the treaty is a bunch of halftruths and lies. Sir Apirana got it right. The Mahuta's of this world are corrupt.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Thu Apr 13 13:43:20 2023
    On Friday, April 14, 2023 at 8:32:11 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 3:07:37 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 15:50:44 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:12:57?AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:

    https://www.nzcpr.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/TreatyOfWaitangiBySirApiranaNgata.pdf
    One of New Zealand's greatest ever statesmen wrote this book about the >> >>Treaty.
    Not a mention of co-governance, not a mention of attacking our democracy.
    Written and published before the treaty was re-invented by radical
    elitists.
    Read it for the sake of historical accuracy.

    A great man. Today we have a government and Treaty settlement industry >> >basing their decissions on a cock up of a translation of the treaty! A >> >disgusting grab for whatever they can cream out of their actions. As bad as the
    behaviour of many who signed the treaty on both sides!
    Teh translation that has been relied on since the Treaty was signed
    was by a Minister of religion who was from England. Sir Apirana Ngata
    was writing for a largely "English" audience seeking to have them at
    least attempt to abide by some of the provisions . . .
    Come on Rich! I'm still waiting for you to explain why Sir Apirana Ngata wrote
    his book in Maori for an English audience...
    Though I'm pretty sure your claim was just another of your typical lies!
    The current "recognised" version of the treaty is a bunch of halftruths and lies. Sir Apirana got it right. The Mahuta's of this world are corrupt.
    The so called Maori translation is nothing of the sort. What the translator was doing is beyond belief. It's the sort of bullshit only a Rich80105 imbecile would hold up as truth!

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