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  • Three waters is best for New Zealand?

    From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 7 18:21:45 2023
    Or just for the Iwi elite?

    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to John Bowes on Sat Apr 8 02:51:04 2023
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?

    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is an attack on democracy.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Apr 8 03:50:39 2023
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is an attack on democracy.

    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire
    at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.

    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not
    both. It seems that some others are agreeing.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Sat Apr 8 04:25:33 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is >>an
    attack on democracy.

    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire >at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the >tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.
    There is not much time left - the opposition need to get on with it quickly. You are quite correct.

    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not
    both. It seems that some others are agreeing.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Gordon on Fri Apr 7 21:17:14 2023
    On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 3:50:42 PM UTC+12, Gordon wrote:
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is an
    attack on democracy.
    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.

    The only will in the Labour party is the will to turn NZ into another Marxist paradise!


    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not both. It seems that some others are agreeing.

    Winston's said a lot of things as he always has but in my book he can't be trusted after he threw NZ into Arderns grasping arms...

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Sat Apr 8 22:26:44 2023
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 04:25:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is >>>an
    attack on democracy.

    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire >>at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the >>tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.
    There is not much time left - the opposition need to get on with it quickly. >You are quite correct.

    The Opposition have already given you the solution - cut the top tax
    rate, reduce spending by government, stop increasing the minumum wage,
    and leave water to local councils. (and don't mention privatisation)
    Have I missed anything?


    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not >>both. It seems that some others are agreeing.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Sat Apr 8 21:03:04 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 04:25:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is >>>>an
    attack on democracy.

    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire >>>at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the >>>tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.
    There is not much time left - the opposition need to get on with it quickly. >>You are quite correct.

    The Opposition have already given you the solution - cut the top tax
    rate, reduce spending by government, stop increasing the minumum wage,
    and leave water to local councils. (and don't mention privatisation)
    Have I missed anything?
    You have missed everything since the day you closed your mind to balance and fairness, to truth and politeness, and goodness knows what else.
    Having said that, at least some of your claim is correct. Water belongs in council's hands. This government has spent more than any previous government on all sorts of things including about 20% more employess and hundreds of millions in consultancy fees.


    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not >>>both. It seems that some others are agreeing.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Sat Apr 8 15:59:52 2023
    On Sunday, April 9, 2023 at 9:03:06 AM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 04:25:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is
    an
    attack on democracy.

    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire
    at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the >>>tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.
    There is not much time left - the opposition need to get on with it quickly.
    You are quite correct.

    The Opposition have already given you the solution - cut the top tax
    rate, reduce spending by government, stop increasing the minumum wage,
    and leave water to local councils. (and don't mention privatisation)
    Have I missed anything?
    You have missed everything since the day you closed your mind to balance and fairness, to truth and politeness, and goodness knows what else.
    Having said that, at least some of your claim is correct. Water belongs in council's hands. This government has spent more than any previous government on
    all sorts of things including about 20% more employess and hundreds of millions
    in consultancy fees.


    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not >>>both. It seems that some others are agreeing.
    Not to mention the $billions on abandoned promises!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sat Apr 8 15:58:46 2023
    On Saturday, April 8, 2023 at 10:30:21 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Apr 2023 04:25:33 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    On 2023-04-08, Tony <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
    John Bowes <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    Or just for the Iwi elite?
    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters
    That is a good analysis of the legislation - and makes it clear that it is
    an
    attack on democracy.

    This is the ammo, which the opposition need to put into their guns and fire
    at will. There needs to be a continual barage of fire until it get to the >>tipping point in the publics mind of how bad this is.
    There is not much time left - the opposition need to get on with it quickly.
    You are quite correct.
    The Opposition have already given you the solution - cut the top tax
    rate, reduce spending by government, stop increasing the minumum wage,
    and leave water to local councils. (and don't mention privatisation)
    Have I missed anything?

    Constant regurgitation of canceled policy only indicates you're just a nasty little feral worm. Raising the minimum wage only pushes up inflation while not helping those hard workers who were geting above it and the water infrastructure belongs in the
    hands of the people. Your support of Labour handing this important thing to Iwi elite just displays just how far you lean towards communism and lack of facts to support your "opinion" that your just a feral hypocrite!

    Winston Peters has said that we can have 3-waters or Democracy, but not >>both. It seems that some others are agreeing.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Sun Apr 9 12:23:15 2023
    On Fri, 7 Apr 2023 18:21:45 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    Or just for the Iwi elite?

    https://www.bassettbrashandhide.com/post/graham-adams-what-hipkins-doesn-t-want-to-tell-us-about-three-waters

    Lets be clear - the 'policy bonfire' has only seen future intentions
    to be abandoned. The water reforms are in place - passed into law -
    so the only wriggle-room that Labour have is to amend the legislation.
    While repeal is possible, no political party has ever repealed any
    legislation in the same Parliamentary term in which it was passed.

    However amending water reforms legislation even on a minor scale is an admission that Labour got the original legislation wrong in respect of
    whatever the amendments are. They do not have a coalition partner to
    blame. Labour are simply stuck with the water reforms legislation
    they have passed into law. Only National/ACT can repeal it (as they
    have promised to do).


    --
    Crash McBash

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