On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou are revolting. Can you ever debate without attacking the poster? Silly question, sorry, of course you cannot!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! >>Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery >>or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage >>because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's >>advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all thesurgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowessurgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all the
Having family problems again John?
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:Rich is just another sorry little cry baby victim of Labours failed mental health initiative. This is what $1 billion plus has done for so many New Zealanders, turned them into feral slime....
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! >>Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery
or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage
because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's >>advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?You are revolting. Can you ever debate without attacking the poster? Silly question, sorry, of course you cannot!
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesthe surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
Having family problems again John?
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem
that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seemI was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with
skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 23:34:47 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYou really do hate people posting opinions don't you?
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 5:51:57?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:No, but your posts are completely free of facts or logic.
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with
women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what
surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair
advantage because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all
men's advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem
that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
You are about as subtle as an angry bull in a china shop Rich!
When you make a statement, have a look at it before posting and see
whether all you have done is post an opinion - if so try and find some
reason why you should be believed.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that
difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all
situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the
population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with
skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
So we see more utter garbage from the garbage king! you have as usual ignored >>my claims then compounded your feral attitude by not bothering to address the >>facts! The self serving garbage you posted doesn't make my facts any less >>facts! Now get back on topic you disgusting piece of feral filth!
It's obvious you support these mentally deficient cheats! But considering >>your antipathy to women's rights, freedom of speech and common decency that >>shouldn't surprise anyone in this ng!
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 23:34:47 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesall the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 5:51:57?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind
Prove me wrong then Rich! Post some of your "facts" that will discredit me. Don't just be a little feril cry baby posting bullshit!I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem
that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
You are about as subtle as an angry bull in a china shop Rich!No, but your posts are completely free of facts or logic.
When you make a statement, have a look at it before posting and see
whether all you have done is post an opinion - if so try and find some reason why you should be believed.
on topic you disgusting piece of feral filth!
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that
difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all
situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the
population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with
skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
So we see more utter garbage from the garbage king! you have as usual ignored my claims then compounded your feral attitude by not bothering to address the facts! The self serving garbage you posted doesn't make my facts any less facts! Now get back
It's obvious you support these mentally deficient cheats! But considering your antipathy to women's rights, freedom of speech and common decency that shouldn't surprise anyone in this ng!
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 23:34:47 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
You really do hate people posting opinions don't you?On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 5:51:57?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:No, but your posts are completely free of facts or logic.
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>> wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with >>> >>>women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what
surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair
advantage because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all
men's advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>> >that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say >>> >on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge >>> of such an event.
You are about as subtle as an angry bull in a china shop Rich!
When you make a statement, have a look at it before posting and see >whether all you have done is post an opinion - if so try and find some >reason why you should be believed.
Not surprising considering that you support a government that itself attempts
to subjugate opinion.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications >>> for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is >>> much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that
difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation >>> is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is >>> that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all
situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts. >>> The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll >>> apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance >>> of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>> population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. , >>> just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>> skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe >>> 'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let >>> us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
So we see more utter garbage from the garbage king! you have as usual ignored
my claims then compounded your feral attitude by not bothering to address the
facts! The self serving garbage you posted doesn't make my facts any less >>facts! Now get back on topic you disgusting piece of feral filth!
It's obvious you support these mentally deficient cheats! But considering >>your antipathy to women's rights, freedom of speech and common decency that
shouldn't surprise anyone in this ng!
On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 5:51:57?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
No, but your posts are completely free of facts or logic.I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem
that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
You are about as subtle as an angry bull in a china shop Rich!
topic you disgusting piece of feral filth!
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that
difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all
situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the
population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with
skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
So we see more utter garbage from the garbage king! you have as usual ignored my claims then compounded your feral attitude by not bothering to address the facts! The self serving garbage you posted doesn't make my facts any less facts! Now get back on
It's obvious you support these mentally deficient cheats! But considering your antipathy to women's rights, freedom of speech and common decency that shouldn't surprise anyone in this ng!
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid>the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!! >>>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem
that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with
skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:48:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>That is correct.
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! >>>>>Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery
or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage
because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's >>>>>advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>>that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >>difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >>situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
That's a long winded way of saying that cheating at sports is OK.
Bill.
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BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:Rich has gone quiet on this subject. Has he seen sense or is he just to embarrassed to make an even bigger fool of himself than usual...
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:48:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women!
Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery
or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage
because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's
advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>>that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say >>>on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge >>of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications >>for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is >>much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >>difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views >>about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is >>that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >>situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts. >>The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll >>apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance >>of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have >>physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. , >>just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe >>'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without >>getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and >>understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be >>kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
That's a long winded way of saying that cheating at sports is OK.That is correct.
Bill.
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On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:48:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!! >>>>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>>that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say
on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications
for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is
much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >>difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views
about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is
that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >>situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll
apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have
physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. ,
just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe
'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without
getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
That's a long winded way of saying that cheating at sports is OK.
Bill.
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 05:07:09 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:Dead right, perhaps you could set an example.
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:48:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with >>>>>>women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what
surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair
advantage because behind all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all
men's advantages in sport!!
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>>>that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say >>>>on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications >>>for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is >>>much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >>>difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views >>>about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is >>>that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >>>situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll >>>apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have >>>physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>>population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. , >>>just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>>skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe >>>'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without >>>getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
That's a long winded way of saying that cheating at sports is OK.
Bill.
No it is not. I recall that there were some objections in the past
when a farmer specially bred a horse to do well in a local horse race,
where farmers raced along a beach and back - now horse breeding and
humans training for sport are not only accepted but seen as an intgral
part of sport. I am saying that the complex issues involved in
trans-gender athletes are not really much different from natural
selection; but they are different, and it is up to sports
organisations to have open discussions and come up with rules that
respect individual positions, involve open and frank discussions with
those who have a legitimate interest, and where options are well
signalled in advance will be better accepted by everyone.
I also believe that the medical profession needs to look at the
actions of medical advisers and practitioners should be looked at
again; I suspect that ethical considerations alone may suggest much
more stringent processes with independent review before irreversable >operations are carried out; it may be that it should be much more
difficult to commence drug treatments and surgery before either
puberty or possibly even notional adulthood (say age 18). We recently
banned conversion therapy - some would have liked that to happen
earlier, but a good process resulted in widespread support for that
change.
Ignorant brain-farts giving unsuppported opinions together with wild >accusations and allegations such as those from some in this that post
to nz.general do nothing to advance rational decision-making.
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 05:07:09 +1200, BR <bl...@blah.blah> wrote:all the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!!
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:48:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nog...@dontbother.invalid> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>>that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say >>>on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge >>of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications >>for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is >>much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >>difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views >>about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is >>that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >>situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts. >>The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll >>apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance >>of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have >>physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. , >>just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe >>'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without >>getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and >>understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be >>kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
That's a long winded way of saying that cheating at sports is OK.
Bill.No it is not. I recall that there were some objections in the past
when a farmer specially bred a horse to do well in a local horse race,
where farmers raced along a beach and back - now horse breeding and
humans training for sport are not only accepted but seen as an intgral
part of sport. I am saying that the complex issues involved in
trans-gender athletes are not really much different from natural
selection; but they are different, and it is up to sports
organisations to have open discussions and come up with rules that
respect individual positions, involve open and frank discussions with
those who have a legitimate interest, and where options are well
signalled in advance will be better accepted by everyone.
I also believe that the medical profession needs to look at the
actions of medical advisers and practitioners should be looked at
again; I suspect that ethical considerations alone may suggest much
more stringent processes with independent review before irreversable operations are carried out; it may be that it should be much more
difficult to commence drug treatments and surgery before either
puberty or possibly even notional adulthood (say age 18). We recently
banned conversion therapy - some would have liked that to happen
earlier, but a good process resulted in widespread support for that
change.
Ignorant brain-farts giving unsuppported opinions together with wild accusations and allegations such as those from some in this that post
to nz.general do nothing to advance rational decision-making.
On Sun, 09 Apr 2023 05:07:09 +1200, BR <blah@blah.blah> wrote:the surgery and drugs they're still men with all men's advantages in sport!! >>>>>
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 17:48:16 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 16:43:36 +1200, Crash <nogood@dontbother.invalid> >>>wrote:
On Fri, 07 Apr 2023 15:41:12 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> >>>>wrote:
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:41:26 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
The men-in-dresses are demanding they be allowed to play sport with women! Just shows that at heart they're just cry baby CHEATS! No matter what surgery or drugs they've taken if they reached puberty they have an unfair advantage because behind all
Having family problems again John?
Rich are you having problems debating John B? It would certainly seem >>>>that you have a problem with this thread. If you have nothing to say >>>>on the subject, act reasonably and don't post.
I was a bit too subtle - John Bowes posted no evidence in support of
his surprising assertions; I 'presumed' that he had personal knowledge
of such an event.
The reality is that sports organisations are looking at qualifications >>>for competitions, and trans-geneder people do create an issue that is >>>much more public than previously. It is healthy that we have become
more accepting of people that are a little different, and where that >>>difference affects physical abilities, there will be different views >>>about competitions that carry rewards of various kinds. The situation
is not helped by ignorant and prejudiced comments, but the reality is >>>that there is no single correct answer that covers all sports or all >>>situations - rugby may have different views than spelunking or darts.
The use of the word demanding is unnecessarily proocative; people wll >>>apply to compete in competitions where they believe they have a chance
of winning! Is that wrong? There have always been people who have >>>physical attributes for some competitions than most of the rest of the >>>population, whether that be physical strength, stamina, flexibility,
etc or mental abilities of various kinds - combined with temperament
and training, in most sports there are a small number of individuals
who will be much more likely to succeed than most of the rest of us. , >>>just as some families are more likely than other to have members with >>>skills in other human pursuits. Even so, most of our population willbe >>>'in the pack' in most sports - we can accept the enjoyment without >>>getting upset at those that have better physique or mental strenghts
or whatever is important for the sport we enjoy.
Plenty of things are life-threatening - this is not usually one of
them. Let us have some perspective, exercise compassion and
understanding of all the different perspectives, but over it all be
kind, accept that ultimate fairness would remove much of the
excitement and motivation that are desirable for competitions.
Overall, how we treat each other has a more lasting impact than
fighting about issues that most of us have not met in person, but
which are being dealt with my those leading sports organisations. Let
us be inclusive and kind, and fairness becomes much easier.
That's a long winded way of saying that cheating at sports is OK.
Bill.
No it is not. I recall that there were some objections in the past
when a farmer specially bred a horse to do well in a local horse race,
where farmers raced along a beach and back - now horse breeding and
humans training for sport are not only accepted but seen as an intgral
part of sport. I am saying that the complex issues involved in
trans-gender athletes are not really much different from natural
selection; but they are different, and it is up to sports
organisations to have open discussions and come up with rules that
respect individual positions, involve open and frank discussions with
those who have a legitimate interest, and where options are well
signalled in advance will be better accepted by everyone.
I also believe that the medical profession needs to look at the
actions of medical advisers and practitioners should be looked at
again; I suspect that ethical considerations alone may suggest much
more stringent processes with independent review before irreversable >operations are carried out; it may be that it should be much more
difficult to commence drug treatments and surgery before either
puberty or possibly even notional adulthood (say age 18). We recently
banned conversion therapy - some would have liked that to happen
earlier, but a good process resulted in widespread support for that
change.
Ignorant brain-farts giving unsuppported opinions together with wild >accusations and allegations such as those from some in this that post
to nz.general do nothing to advance rational decision-making.
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