• Re: Woke Right - definition required

    From Tony@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Apr 4 04:06:51 2023
    Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all >done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.
    Rich doesn't know what that means. He could look it up (maybe) but he still wouldn't comprehend the implications.

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 03:44:50 2023
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Tony on Mon Apr 3 21:29:57 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 4:06:53 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.
    Rich doesn't know what that means. He could look it up (maybe) but he still wouldn't comprehend the implications.
    But isn't Rich in reality an oxymoron? :)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Tony on Tue Apr 4 04:51:16 2023
    John Bowes <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 4:06:53 PM UTC+12, Tony wrote:
    Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman? >> >
    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >> >have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.
    Rich doesn't know what that means. He could look it up (maybe) but he still >> wouldn't comprehend the implications.
    But isn't Rich in reality an oxymoron? :)
    He appears to be a part of that!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 4 05:29:45 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman? >>
    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >>have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all >>done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it havve no idea what theya re
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something w all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to Gordon on Tue Apr 4 17:14:06 2023
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all >done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it havve no idea what theya re
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something w all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Mon Apr 3 22:37:34 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 5:17:44 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.
    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it havve no idea what theya re
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something w all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    Wrong again Rich. The honour is as usual all yours :)

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Apr 4 22:00:16 2023
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman? >>>
    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >>>have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all >>>done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it havve no idea what theya re
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something w all have encounter at times - this >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?

    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Tue Apr 4 23:06:54 2023
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >> >>>have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 03:15:23 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >>>have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it havve no idea what theya re >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something w all have encounter at times - this >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 4 20:41:53 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gordon@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman? >>>>
    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways >>>>have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it havve no idea what theya re >>>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something w all have encounter at times - this >>>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?

    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Neither. Yoiu have posted no logic.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 13:29:30 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:10:33 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...
    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or

    This supports Hipkins bullshit belief that just because a mentally deficient male wants to cheat at sport what he choses to believe counts. I've got news for you Rich. Despite some half backed bunch of academics
    claiming different you are the gender you were born with QED!

    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    Typical of you to use what is obviously a woke dictionary corrupted by typical left wing feral ideas!
    Here's a much better one for you: A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). The plural women is sometimes used in certain phrases such as "women's rights" to denote
    female humans regardless of age.
    Nothing about Labours airie fairie what someone identifies as! Just pure biological FACTS!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 16:32:05 2023
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:10:33 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...
    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    Rich, no matter what you the PM or the Cambridge dictionary say people born XY or XX chromosome will ALWAYS have those chromosomes and no matter what surgery or drugs the take they will ALWAYS have those chromosomes and absolutely nothing any of you
    queer bastards say will change that fact!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Apr 5 14:45:03 2023
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:10:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >> >> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >> >> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >> >> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >> >> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...
    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or

    This supports Hipkins bullshit belief that just because a mentally deficient male wants to cheat at sport what he choses to believe counts. I've got news for you Rich. Despite some half backed bunch of academics
    claiming different you are the gender you were born with QED!

    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    Typical of you to use what is obviously a woke dictionary corrupted by typical left wing feral ideas!
    Here's a much better one for you: A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). The plural women is sometimes used in certain phrases such as "women's rights" to denote
    female humans regardless of age.
    Nothing about Labours airie fairie what someone identifies as! Just pure biological FACTS!

    The definition did not come from Labour or National, but the Cambridge Dictionary.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 19:53:19 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:48:41 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 13:29:30 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:10:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >> >> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >> >> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >> >> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...
    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or

    This supports Hipkins bullshit belief that just because a mentally deficient male wants to cheat at sport what he choses to believe counts. I've got news for you Rich. Despite some half backed bunch of academics
    claiming different you are the gender you were born with QED!

    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    Typical of you to use what is obviously a woke dictionary corrupted by typical left wing feral ideas!
    Here's a much better one for you: A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). The plural women is sometimes used in certain phrases such as "women's rights" to denote
    female humans regardless of age.
    Nothing about Labours airie fairie what someone identifies as! Just pure biological FACTS!
    The definition did not come from Labour or National, but the Cambridge Dictionary.
    Like most of your bleats Rich it doesn't matter! YOU are the one who over politicizes things yet it was YOUR PM who waffled on because like you and the Cambridge dictionary you failed basic biology!
    Interesting you have to bring politics into this rather than fail to refute my comments. Is it that you know your stand and Hipkins and trans is just pure bullshit?! If your gender at birth is male, nothing you can do or take will change that fact no
    matter what you believe! Now here's a challenge for you to ignore Rich. Prove that claim is wrong!

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 19:59:09 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 2:51:05 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 16:32:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:10:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >> >> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >> >> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >> >> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...
    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    Rich, no matter what you the PM or the Cambridge dictionary say people born XY or XX chromosome will ALWAYS have those chromosomes and no matter what surgery or drugs the take they will ALWAYS have those chromosomes and absolutely nothing any of you
    queer bastards say will change that fact!
    I have not claimed they would - the English language is not hostage to
    your views, John.

    You seem to think it's hostage to your views and the nutcases you support though Rich. Typical of feral liars like you. Once again you show you're an arrogant, imbecilic, hater of truth, freedom and women's rights! I'm talking about real women here Rich.
    Not mentally unstable men in dresses who can only be classed as women in the eyes of the mentally deficient like you! THEY_ARE_TRANS! That's all they can ever be and don't belong in women's toilets or changing rooms or for that matter cheating by playing
    womens sport!

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Apr 5 14:47:30 2023
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 16:32:05 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 11:10:33?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >> >> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >> >> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >> >> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >> >> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell us your answer...
    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    Rich, no matter what you the PM or the Cambridge dictionary say people born XY or XX chromosome will ALWAYS have those chromosomes and no matter what surgery or drugs the take they will ALWAYS have those chromosomes and absolutely nothing any of you
    queer bastards say will change that fact!

    I have not claimed they would - the English language is not hostage to
    your views, John.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Apr 5 15:47:08 2023
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a >>>> >>>woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old >>>> >>>ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>>> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >>>> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >>>> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >>>> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you >have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 21:02:42 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:50:47 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a >>>> >>>woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old >>>> >>>ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >>>> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >>>> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >>>> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you >have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    Only no tech skilled fucking imbeciles are stupid enough to do that. but then again with your propensity to lie it has to be a lie. why? Because this is the first Google result I did: A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human
    is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). The plural women is sometimes used in certain phrases such as "women's rights" to denote female humans regardless of age.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=women&rlz=1C1GIGM_enNZ746NZ746&oq=women&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j35i39j46i433i512j0i131i433i512j46i433i512j46i340i433i512l2j0i512j46i340i512.4414j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.

    BULLSHIT! What you posted was a lie and therefore like most of your posts irrelevant. Much like you are Rich :)

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Apr 5 03:30:16 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is >>> >>>all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is >>from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell >>us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, and a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially nowadays with the trans movement.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Wed Apr 5 16:46:16 2023
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 21:02:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:50:47?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a >> >>>> >>>woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old >> >>>> >>>ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >> >>>> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >> >>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >> >>>> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >> >>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >> >>>> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you >> >have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >> >nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    Only no tech skilled fucking imbeciles are stupid enough to do that. but then again with your propensity to lie it has to be a lie. why? Because this is the first Google result I did: A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female human
    is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). The plural women is sometimes used in certain phrases such as "women's rights" to denote female humans regardless of age.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=women&rlz=1C1GIGM_enNZ746NZ746&oq=women&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j35i39j46i433i512j0i131i433i512j46i433i512j46i340i433i512l2j0i512j46i340i512.4414j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.

    BULLSHIT! What you posted was a lie and therefore like most of your posts irrelevant. Much like you are Rich :)
    You have not identified any lie - I was asked to provide a definition
    - I did. I doubt I could have given a definition that you agreed with;
    you do not appear to have thought the issues through to be able to
    articulate anything that made sense, but that is typical of your
    posts, John.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 4 22:03:59 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 4:49:55 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 21:02:42 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 3:50:47?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >> >>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >> >>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >> >>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >> >>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >> >>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    Only no tech skilled fucking imbeciles are stupid enough to do that. but then again with your propensity to lie it has to be a lie. why? Because this is the first Google result I did: A woman is an adult female human. Prior to adulthood, a female
    human is referred to as a girl (a female child or adolescent). The plural women is sometimes used in certain phrases such as "women's rights" to denote female humans regardless of age.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=women&rlz=1C1GIGM_enNZ746NZ746&oq=women&aqs=chrome.0.69i59l2j35i39j46i433i512j0i131i433i512j46i433i512j46i340i433i512l2j0i512j46i340i512.4414j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.

    BULLSHIT! What you posted was a lie and therefore like most of your posts irrelevant. Much like you are Rich :)
    You have not identified any lie - I was asked to provide a definition
    - I did. I doubt I could have given a definition that you agreed with;
    you do not appear to have thought the issues through to be able to articulate anything that made sense, but that is typical of your
    posts, John.
    As you well know the definition you provided was NOT the first one that popped up when you supposedly did a Google search Rich! THAT is just the latest lie from you!
    Not my fault you're just a stupid feral, lying anti free speech and anti women's rights piece of slime from the bottom of Labour's river of filth Rich! You know exactly what I was referring to. It was plain to anyone except nasty communist commissars
    like you lacking in sense, ethics or morals!

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Apr 5 05:27:59 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a >>>>> >>>woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old >>>>> >>>ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>>>> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it >>>>> >>>is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >>>>> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >>>>> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >>>>> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women >>>>is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and >>>>tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, >>and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you >>have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong when it was publised and moreso now.
    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly.
    Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Wed Apr 5 21:11:50 2023
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a >>>>>> >>>woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old >>>>>> >>>ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a >>>>>> >>>certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it >>>>>> >>>is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >>>>>> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >>>>>> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >>>>>> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women >>>>>is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and >>>>>tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, >>>and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you >>>have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >>>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong when >it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to
    give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the
    definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .


    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly.
    Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 5 03:56:18 2023
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:15:28 PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >>>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to
    give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .

    As usual the misconceptions and prejudices were all yours Rich. You are like so many on the left and mentally incapable of defining what a woman is. They're not trans they're human females capable of giving birth. If transexuals are ever capable of
    preforming the supreme act of bearing children they, you and Hipkins might have leg to stand on. Till then your definitions are utter crap and an affront to women's rights!
    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Wed Apr 5 20:01:15 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a >>>>>>> >>>woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old >>>>>>> >>>ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done >>>>>>> >>>a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think >>>>>>> >>>it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative. >>>>>>> >>>
    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes >>>>>>> >>- and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this >>>>>>> >>appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and >>>>>>tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word, >>>>and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you >>>>have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >>>>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to
    give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the
    definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the one that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You have tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.


    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly.
    Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to Once again as usual Rich wants us t on Wed Apr 5 13:58:40 2023
    On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:30:43 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done
    a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think
    it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the >>>>definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to >>give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You have
    tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.
    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may noit agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagrerement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.

    Bullshit in a failed effort to defend a stupid bloody PM. But not surprising the feral Rich get's all grizzly. After all his glorious misleader has embarrassed the whole country because of Labours cosying up to the feral trans belief.
    Once again as usual Rich wants us to do what he says rather than what he does. A great supporter of the worst PM in NZ history who was also good at ignoring her own advice to others. A trait so typical of nasty Marxist muppets like her and Rich. Oh btw
    Ardern was a woman Rich and proved it. Something those like you who only think they're a woman...


    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

    --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 5 14:03:02 2023
    On Thursday, April 6, 2023 at 8:33:30 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:56:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:15:28?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >> >>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >> >>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >> >>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >> >>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >> >>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >> >>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to
    give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the
    definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .

    As usual the misconceptions and prejudices were all yours Rich. You are like so many on the left and mentally incapable of defining what a woman is. They're not trans they're human females capable of giving birth. If transexuals are ever capable of
    preforming the supreme act of bearing children they, you and Hipkins might have leg to stand on. Till then your definitions are utter crap and an affront to women's rights!
    Your words are an affront to women - particularly those who are not
    capable of giving birth - either due to age or physical impairment.
    You are a spiteful unthinking and disrespectful little weasel,
    thinking only of yourself, John.

    LIAR! Your words and those of the trans society are disrespectful to women Rich. You grizzling and ignoring your own advice to us are proof of that. Once again you come across as a feral loser only capable of losing because of your own stupidity! Fucking
    feral imbecile must be an accolade in the dim recesses that pass for your mind. You make this sort of reply because you know your WRONG and hope a little grizzle will make us sorry for you. The only ones I fell sorry for your poor suffering grandkids
    your corrupting with your own stupidity!
    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >> >Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to bowesjohn02@gmail.com on Thu Apr 6 08:29:54 2023
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:56:18 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, April 5, 2023 at 9:15:28?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
    <bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >> >>>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >> >>>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >> >>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >> >>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >> >>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here:
    https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple
    search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >> >>>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is.
    Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition
    given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language
    than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying
    to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to
    give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the
    definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .

    As usual the misconceptions and prejudices were all yours Rich. You are like so many on the left and mentally incapable of defining what a woman is. They're not trans they're human females capable of giving birth. If transexuals are ever capable of
    preforming the supreme act of bearing children they, you and Hipkins might have leg to stand on. Till then your definitions are utter crap and an affront to women's rights!

    Your words are an affront to women - particularly those who are not
    capable of giving birth - either due to age or physical impairment.
    You are a spiteful unthinking and disrespectful little weasel,
    thinking only of yourself, John.


    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly.
    Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Thu Apr 6 08:27:07 2023
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are done >>>>>>>> >>>a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think >>>>>>>> >>>it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>>>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>>>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit and >>>>>>>tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >>>>>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the
    definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to
    give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You have >tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.

    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may noit agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagrerement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.



    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Apr 6 01:30:24 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is >>>>>>>>> >>>a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the >>>>>>>>> >>>old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are >>>>>>>>> >>>done
    a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think >>>>>>>>> >>>it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the
    right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change, >>>>>>>>> >>and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and >>>>>>>>> >>attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right" >>>>>>>>> >>has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - >>>>>>>>> >>this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit >>>>>>>>and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this >>>>>>word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, >>>>>>you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially >>>>>>nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the >>>>>definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>>>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to >>>give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the >>one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You have >>tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.

    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may noit agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagrerement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.
    A definition of a word is not a definition of the person that word describes. You are wrong not me.
    I have no idea what Plunket has written or said - why would you think that I do?
    Answer - because that sort of resonse is all you have, no debating and no fairness - you are a foolish old man.



    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Fri Apr 7 00:05:19 2023
    On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 01:30:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is
    a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the >>>>>>>>>> >>>old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are >>>>>>>>>> >>>done
    a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think
    it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the
    right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and >>>>>>>>>> >>attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are >>>>>>>>>> >>trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - >>>>>>>>>> >>this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit >>>>>>>>>and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this >>>>>>>word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, >>>>>>>you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the >>>>>>definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>>>>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to >>>>give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable
    to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>>>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are
    drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing
    to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the >>>one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You have >>>tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.

    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may not agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagreement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.
    A definition of a word is not a definition of the person that word describes. I did not claim that it ws - the definition that I quoted does not do
    that.

    You are wrong not me.
    I have no idea what Plunket has written or said - why would you think that I do?
    Answer - because that sort of resonse is all you have, no debating and no >fairness - you are a foolish old man.



    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.
    You appear not to understand the purpose of a dictionary - in this
    case I gave the dictionary definition of the collective noun. You have
    not pointed out any mistake.

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  • From BR@21:1/5 to All on Fri Apr 7 06:29:23 2023
    On Tue, 04 Apr 2023 17:14:06 +1200, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com>
    wrote:


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be
    conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,

    So what facts would they be?

    A man who puts on a dress can become real woman? Do you believe that
    to be a fact?

    Bill.

    --
    This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
    https://www.avg.com

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 6 14:02:41 2023
    On Friday, April 7, 2023 at 12:08:56 AM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 01:30:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What is
    a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the
    old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are >>>>>>>>>> >>>done
    a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they think
    it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the
    right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and >>>>>>>>>> >>attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term
    "woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect
    hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times -
    this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my
    summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a
    women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit
    and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been
    said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this >>>>>>>word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake,
    you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the >>>>>>definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong
    when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to >>>>give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable >>>>to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>>>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are >>>>drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing >>>>to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the
    one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You have
    tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.

    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may not agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagreement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.
    A definition of a word is not a definition of the person that word describes.
    I did not claim that it ws - the definition that I quoted does not do
    that.
    You are wrong not me.
    I have no idea what Plunket has written or said - why would you think that I do?
    Answer - because that sort of resonse is all you have, no debating and no >fairness - you are a foolish old man.



    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.
    You appear not to understand the purpose of a dictionary - in this
    case I gave the dictionary definition of the collective noun. You have
    not pointed out any mistake.
    Mere weasel words from a feral weasel! Typical of you when you know your bullshit is rebounding on you Rich! If you stop lying like this you might become a debated instead of just being a lying mouthpiece defending the feral Labour party!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Apr 6 21:32:07 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 01:30:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What >>>>>>>>>>> >>>is
    a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are >>>>>>>>>>> >>>done
    a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>think
    it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the
    right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can >>>>>>>>>>> >>change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and >>>>>>>>>>> >>attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the >>>>>>>>>>> >>right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - >>>>>>>>>>> >>this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit >>>>>>>>>>and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this >>>>>>>>word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, >>>>>>>>you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, >>>>>>>>especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the >>>>>>>definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>>>>>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to >>>>>give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable >>>>>to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>>>>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are >>>>>drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing >>>>>to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the >>>>one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You >>>>have
    tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.

    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may not agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagreement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.
    A definition of a word is not a definition of the person that word describes. >I did not claim that it ws - the definition that I quoted does not do
    that.

    You are wrong not me.
    I have no idea what Plunket has written or said - why would you think that I >>do?
    Answer - because that sort of resonse is all you have, no debating and no >>fairness - you are a foolish old man.



    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>>>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.
    You appear not to understand the purpose of a dictionary - in this
    case I gave the dictionary definition of the collective noun. You have
    not pointed out any mistake.
    What you posted is not the definition of a woman. That is a fact, it is the meaning of the word "woman" that is what dictionaries do, they define the meaning of words they do almost nothing more apart from pronunciation.
    They do not, ever. define what something is.
    I understand what disctionaries are for, you do not (or did you make yet another error of language and comprehension and are now squirming in embarrassement - you should be?).

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Thu Apr 6 21:38:10 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 01:30:24 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 20:01:15 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 05:27:59 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Wed, 5 Apr 2023 03:30:16 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 03:15:23 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 4, 2023 at 10:03:53?PM UTC+12, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 4 Apr 2023 05:29:45 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On 4 Apr 2023 03:44:50 GMT, Gordon <Gor...@leaf.net.nz> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>
    Rich used the phase "woke right" is a recent post.

    So what exactly is a woke left, we can work on this after, What >>>>>>>>>>> >>>is
    a
    woman?

    People who are right tend to be conservative, the argue that the >>>>>>>>>>> >>>old
    ways
    have some good logic in them. There is a reason why things are >>>>>>>>>>> >>>done
    a
    certain way. They consult history for guidance.

    The woke have an idea, and because they have thought it they >>>>>>>>>>> >>>think
    it
    is
    all
    done and good. The woke will not be found in the
    right/conservative.

    Thus woke right is an oxymoron.


    So first you admit that some who are "right" only tend to be >>>>>>>>>>> >>conservative - others recognise that facts and language can >>>>>>>>>>> >>change,
    and that new knowledge may lead to changes in knowledge and >>>>>>>>>>> >>attitudes
    - and that history may not always be a good guide. Even the term >>>>>>>>>>> >>"woke" so beloved of some who classify themselves as "on the >>>>>>>>>>> >>right"
    has never had a single definition - that ambiguity has I suspect >>>>>>>>>>> >>hidden the reality that most who use it have no idea what they >>>>>>>>>>> >>are
    trying to convey.

    Still, being wrong is something we all have encounter at times - >>>>>>>>>>> >>this
    appears to be your turn, Gordon.
    More abuse from rich80105. What else does he have?
    It seems you either cannot stick to the subject, or cannot fault my >>>>>>>>>>> summary - which is it, Tony?
    Stop talking shit rich. We're still waiting for you to define what a >>>>>>>>>>women
    is
    from your question in another thread. So how about quit talking shit >>>>>>>>>>and
    tell
    us your answer...

    If it will put you out of your misery and ignorance then:

    (noun):
    * an adult female human being, or
    *an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been >>>>>>>>>said to have a different sex at birth, or
    * a wife or female sexual partner, or
    *women in general

    If you want to check, see here: >>>>>>>>>https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/woman

    It seems clear that the 'woke right' have no idea how to do a simple >>>>>>>>>search . . .
    The Cambridge dictionary is in a minority and way out of date on this >>>>>>>>word,
    and
    a wrong minority at that. You and they have both made the same mistake, >>>>>>>>you
    have confused sex with gender. They are very different things, >>>>>>>>especially
    nowadays with the trans movement.
    I did not confuse anything. I googled "woman" and quoted the >>>>>>>definition given in the first result that came up.

    You are confused - the request was that I define what a woman is. >>>>>>>Nothing else is relevant. Quibble all you want, that is a definition >>>>>>>given by a group of people well more qualified in teh English language >>>>>>>than anyone posting to nz.general - you are, yet again, merely trying >>>>>>>to avoid the truth by going Off-Topic.
    No that is wrong. The definitiuon you found is wrong today - it was wrong >>>>>>when
    it was publised and moreso now.
    I was not asked to satify your misconceptions and prejudices; just to >>>>>give a definition. That I did. You however appear to still be unable >>>>>to give a definition, and now assert without any evidence that the >>>>>definition I posted is wrong. Get back on topic, Tony, you are >>>>>drifting all over the place, and demonstrating that you have nothing >>>>>to offer . . .
    All I have been doing is showing how illiterate you are and how you are the >>>>one
    that went off topic, following which I responded to your nonsense.
    I have no intention of ever defining women, or men for that matter. You >>>>have
    tried and failed miserably.
    No dictionary can define women you fool.

    If you were correct, then you should be decrying the blatant attempt
    to blind-side the Prime Minister by Sean Plunket - however you are
    wrong. You may not agree with all definitions, but it is desirable
    that disagreement be respectful; sadly that trait seems to be missing
    in your character.
    A definition of a word is not a definition of the person that word describes. >I did not claim that it ws - the definition that I quoted does not do
    that.

    You are wrong not me.
    I have no idea what Plunket has written or said - why would you think that I >>do?
    Answer - because that sort of resonse is all you have, no debating and no >>fairness - you are a foolish old man.



    I am absolutely on topic but you quoted something which is today silly. >>>>>>Sex and gender are no longer synonymous.
    You have made the same mistake as the publisher of the definition.
    You appear not to understand the purpose of a dictionary - in this
    case I gave the dictionary definition of the collective noun. You have
    not pointed out any mistake.
    See this
    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dictionary

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