https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 8:12:08?AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:another load of left wing government propaganda. When will you open your eyes and see your support for anti freedom, anti women and lying political party's is doing nothing good for New Zealand?
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
So says the little far lefty feral Rich80105! thespinoff pushing fake news yet again and "anti-vaccine, conspiracy-aligned and rightwing extremist ideas" translates to people who treasure freedom and will fight for it! As usual Rich your post is just
But guess like so many on the left Rich, you are just another victim of Labours failed mental health policy! I'd tell you to get help but the mental health system isn't in a position to help you after six years of neglct by Labour!Here is something for you to look forward to, John. A group of people
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a fewIs this the sort of organisation you support? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
posters to nz.general . . .
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a fewThere is no such thing as a far right disinformation machine in this country. There is no far right political party or movement here either - you are deluded and lying.
posters to nz.general . . .
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 12:49:37 -0700 (PDT), John Bowesanother load of left wing government propaganda. When will you open your eyes and see your support for anti freedom, anti women and lying political party's is doing nothing good for New Zealand?
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 8:12:08?AM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
So says the little far lefty feral Rich80105! thespinoff pushing fake news yet again and "anti-vaccine, conspiracy-aligned and rightwing extremist ideas" translates to people who treasure freedom and will fight for it! As usual Rich your post is just
But guess like so many on the left Rich, you are just another victim of Labours failed mental health policy! I'd tell you to get help but the mental health system isn't in a position to help you after six years of neglct by Labour!Here is something for you to look forward to, John. A group of people
you treasure freedom and will fight for it: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/lifestyle-news/daniel-radcliffe-trevor-project-roundtable-1235362898/
John Bowes I am sure you are well aware that problems with mental
health services became acute during the Key/English governments; some
basic services have been restored under Labour but there is still a
lot to do. I suspect you have suffered for a long time without
adequate help - I am sure you have the sympathy of all those who read nz.general, but more help is coming.
On the bright side, look over to Australia, where now the Feberral Government, and every State Government except Tasmania are Labour -I feel nothing but sorrow for Australia's pain in these troubled time. Looking at the damage Labour has done to NZ over the last six years I can but hope Aussies will do the same for us...
the Trumpian far right is struggling in many countries. Have hope,
John!
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversyThe feral bastard Rich will deny any support for these pricks. He will lie and posts bullshit sites to support his queer support of violent feral men in dresses and their feral gay supporters!
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a fewIs this the sort of organisation you support? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >right-wing as the Republicans in America)Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >>>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they >were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >compared to other countries.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >>>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see: https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely notReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadly
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,What nonsense.
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >right-wing as the Republicans in America)Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and compared to other countries.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >>>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left,
Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago),
National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and
compared to other countries.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:and soon you'll have a great garden because of the nutrient.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversyIs this the sort of organisation you support?
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and
compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a joke and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. Which of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you keep shoveling it Rich
You do garden don't you?
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John BowesRich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the nutrient.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversyIs this the sort of organisation you support?
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >> >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such >> >>as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >> >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >> >>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >> >compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a joke and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. Which of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you keep shoveling it
You do garden don't you?Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National
supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good
academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views;
it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections
for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who
gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his
scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer
gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of
ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around
the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the
right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to
slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT
are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise
to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as
well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the
NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those
of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John BowesYour have just proved me correct.
<bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
Really? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >>> >>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than >>> >they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >>> >compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a joke >>and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you keep >>shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National
supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good
academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views;
it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections
for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who
gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his
scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer
gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of
ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around
the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the
right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to
slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT
are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise
to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as
well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the
NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those
of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), TonyA strongly left leaning website that provides no acientific analysis from outside of New Zealand and one that you, a far left suppporter, follow and believe without any thought of balance.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>>>https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
Is this the sort of organisation you support? >>>>https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>>posters to nz.general . . .
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that >>lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >>>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than >>they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >>compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see: >https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:27:57?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the nutrient.
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversyIs this the sort of organisation you support?
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >> >> >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such >> >> >>as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >> >> >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >> >> >>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >> >> >compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a joke and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. Which of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you keep shoveling it
You do garden don't you?Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National
supporter!
With all the corruption being uncovered in Labours ranks the desperation is all yours Rich :)
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good
academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views;
it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections
for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who
gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his
scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer
gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and
libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. "
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed
reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of
ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around
the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more
authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the
right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to
slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT
are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise
to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as
well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the
NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those
of National.
As usual just a load of biased political bullshit from the evermore feral Rich. Give up Rich we all gave up believing anything you post years ago!
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent
political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
BULLSHIT! Or can you name the political person you claim.
Sorry but life's to short to wade through your usual weird and kooky political diatribe so cut to the chase for once in your trans life please Rich...
Think again . . .
I've always thought Rich. I just wish YOU would for once in your thoughtless life!
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:41:22 -0700 (PDT), John BowesRich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the nutrient.
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 4:27:57?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes
<bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred >> >> of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), TonyReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversyIs this the sort of organisation you support?
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >> >> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Looks like it to many here.
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >> >> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >> >> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie. >> >> >> - through websites such as thebfd,
the far-right disinfomation kooks
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting toYou are the kook if you believe that.
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >> >> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and
compared to other countries.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a joke and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. Which of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you keep shoveling it
Farrar is just another blogger. When has he ever been political? He speaks out against political party's like Labour. I'm surprised you would cite a far right blogger like Farrar :)You do garden don't you?Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National
supporter!
With all the corruption being uncovered in Labours ranks the desperation is all yours Rich :)
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good
academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views;
it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections
for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who
gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his
scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer
gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and
libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. "
https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed
reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of
ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around
the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more
authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the
right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to
slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT
are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise
to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as
well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the
NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those
of National.
As usual just a load of biased political bullshit from the evermore feral Rich. Give up Rich we all gave up believing anything you post years ago!
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent
political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
BULLSHIT! Or can you name the political person you claim.Of course, John, it is none other than David Farrar - find out more
about him here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/about
and here: https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Sorry but life's to short to wade through your usual weird and kooky political diatribe so cut to the chase for once in your trans life please Rich...
Think again . . .
I've always thought Rich. I just wish YOU would for once in your thoughtless life!
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred >>>> of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
Really? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>>> >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such >>>> >>as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told >>>> >that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>>> >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie. >>>> >> - through websites such as thebfd,
the far-right disinfomation kooks
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting toYou are the kook if you believe that.
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >>>> >>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so than >>>> >they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >>>> >compared to other countries.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you keep >>>shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National
supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good
academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views;
it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections
for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who
gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his
scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of
ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around
the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the
right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to
slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT
are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise
to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as
well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the
NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those
of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not >international data.
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your
politics, and my assessment stands.
You shoud do the thinking.You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of garbage >and deep down you know it.Again an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred >>>>> of support from anyone. By contrast, see:Really? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>>>> >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>>> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners,
talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >>>>> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such >>>>> >>as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told >>>>> >that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>>>> >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie. >>>>> >> - through websites such as thebfd,
the far-right disinfomation kooks
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting toYou are the kook if you believe that.
extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the
basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal
opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >>>>> >>and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so >>>>> >than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >>>>> >compared to other countries.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a >>>>joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. >>>>Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you >>>>keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views;
it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections
for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of
ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around
the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to
slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT
are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise
to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as
well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the
NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those
of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not >>international data.
questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try
taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >particular country. In addition the website gives international
assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results
over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even
looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
Don't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your
politics, and my assessment stands.
analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.You shoud do the thinking.You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of.
analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any value.The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of garbage >>and deep down you know it.Again an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange
claim.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>>> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred >>>>>> of support from anyone. By contrast, see:Really? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>>>>> >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>>>> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >>>>>> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such >>>>>> >>as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told >>>>>> >that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>>>>> >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie. >>>>>> >> - through websites such as thebfd,
the far-right disinfomation kooks
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy >>>>>> >>and large corporations.You are the kook if you believe that.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so >>>>>> >than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and >>>>>> >compared to other countries.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a >>>>>joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. >>>>>Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you >>>>>keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and
personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the
concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not >>>international data.
questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try
taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>particular country. In addition the website gives international
assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results
over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican >parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by the
Political Compass, just laughable.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not haveDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of.
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of garbage >>>and deep down you know it.Again an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange
claim.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:I think you are missing some things -
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>>> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shredReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>>>> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >>>>>> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>>>> >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so >>>>>> >than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on and
compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a
joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng.
Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you >>>>>keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not
international data.
taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results
over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican >parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by the
Political Compass, just laughable.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not haveDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radio
''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that
would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a
lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting conclusions with no evidence.
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessedYes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of.
right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake
political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political
compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left.
In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so
than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being
held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall
position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a
reality, not a bias towards the left.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/or
evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to
have similar value - none.
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange
and deep down you know it.
claim.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am missing nothing. The site is pathetically obsessed with left wing beliefs.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>>>> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred >>>>>>> of support from anyone. By contrast, see:Really? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The >>>>>>> >>Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and
extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>>>>> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >>>>>>> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the
Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such >>>>>>> >>as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told >>>>>>> >that lie
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as >>>>>>> >>right-wing as the Republicans in America)
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie. >>>>>>> >> - through websites such as thebfd,
the far-right disinfomation kooks
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the >>>>>>> >>wealthyYou are the kook if you believe that.
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so >>>>>>> >than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on >>>>>>> >and
compared to other countries.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a >>>>>>joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng. >>>>>>Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you >>>>>>keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not >>>>international data.
taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results
over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican >>parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by >>the
Political Compass, just laughable.
I think you are missing some things - the two axes measure an economic
scale (left and right), and a social scale (authoritarian or
libertarian). They do not measure aspects such as corruption,
dishonesty, the integrity of the voting system (the USA is less
democratic than most democracies), or the extent that money can buy an >election. If you disagree with the scales, then you cn say so, but you
would need to give reasons. If you have an alternative method of
comparison, then that may be interesting - you assert that you have
one but have given no details.
It was offensive because you made it si - you really are dumb.If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not haveDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >>colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radio
''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that
would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a
lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting >conclusions with no evidence.
You are entitloed to be wrong and you are clearly so.Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of.
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessed
right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake
political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political
compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left.
In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so
than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being
held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall
position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a
reality, not a bias towards the left.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/orInfinitely better than yours and the sites bias.
evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to
have similar value - none.
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of >>>>garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange
and deep down you know it.
claim.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am missing nothing. The site is pathetically obsessed with left wing beliefs.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>>>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try >>>>taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>>>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>>>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results >>>>over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>>>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>>>>> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shred >>>>>>>> of support from anyone. By contrast, see:Really? Well your recent posts make it look like you might.Looks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
- that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyWhat nonsense.
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. The
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and >>>>>>>> >>extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>>>>>> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >>>>>>>> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>>>>>> >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie. >>>>>>>> >> - through websites such as thebfd,
the far-right disinfomation kooks
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the >>>>>>>> >>wealthyYou are the kook if you believe that.
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so >>>>>>>> >than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on >>>>>>>> >and
compared to other countries.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a >>>>>>>joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng.
Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you >>>>>>>keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not >>>>>international data.
To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican >>>parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by >>>the
Political Compass, just laughable.
I think you are missing some things - the two axes measure an economic >>scale (left and right), and a social scale (authoritarian or
libertarian). They do not measure aspects such as corruption,
dishonesty, the integrity of the voting system (the USA is less
democratic than most democracies), or the extent that money can buy an >>election. If you disagree with the scales, then you cn say so, but you >>would need to give reasons. If you have an alternative method of >>comparison, then that may be interesting - you assert that you have
one but have given no details.
It was offensive because you made it si - you really are dumb.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not haveDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >>>colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>>>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radio
''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that
would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a
lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting >>conclusions with no evidence.
You are entitloed to be wrong and you are clearly so.
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of. >>>>You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>>>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessed
right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake
political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political
compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left.
In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so
than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being
held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall
position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a
reality, not a bias towards the left.
Infinitely better than yours and the sites bias.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/or
evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to
have similar value - none.
With at least one supporter from the right - you have not shown any
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of >>>>>garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange >>>>claim.
and deep down you know it.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:49:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyMore bla, blah blah, from the ever lying and stupid Rich! One supporter doesn't make Richie's pathetic excuses a rational argument. But then when have we ever had a rational argument from this feral lefty???
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:You have shown nothing - no evidence to support your fanciful beliefs,
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am missing nothing. The site is pathetically obsessed with left wing beliefs.
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>>>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try >>>>taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>>>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>>>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results >>>>over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>>>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>><bowes...@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a shredReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might. >>>>>>>> >> - that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyLooks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. TheWhat nonsense.
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and >>>>>>>> >>extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>>>>>> >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the >>>>>>>> >>wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so
than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on
and
compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was a
joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the ng.
Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you
keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - not
international data.
To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican
parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by
the
Political Compass, just laughable.
I think you are missing some things - the two axes measure an economic >>scale (left and right), and a social scale (authoritarian or >>libertarian). They do not measure aspects such as corruption, >>dishonesty, the integrity of the voting system (the USA is less >>democratic than most democracies), or the extent that money can buy an >>election. If you disagree with the scales, then you cn say so, but you >>would need to give reasons. If you have an alternative method of >>comparison, then that may be interesting - you assert that you have
one but have given no details.
It was offensive because you made it si - you really are dumb.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not have >>been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radioDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >>>colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>>>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that
would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a >>lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting >>conclusions with no evidence.
You are entitloed to be wrong and you are clearly so.
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of. >>>>You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>>>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessed >>right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake
political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political >>compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left.
In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so >>than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being >>held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall >>position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a >>reality, not a bias towards the left.
Infinitely better than yours and the sites bias.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/or
evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to
have similar value - none.
and no evidence of bias from a website which is explicitly supported
by that David Farrar (who doubtless you regard as being extreme left
as a result of his support for the Political Compass as providing
worthwhile and informative results).
With at least one supporter from the right - you have not shown any
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of >>>>>garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange >>>>claim.
and deep down you know it.
support from anyone for your jaundiced views.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:49:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe website is New Zealand focussed. It ignores the rest of the world. It is a pointless piece of left wing propoganda. You have not demonstrated otherwise. Do try harder.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), TonyI am missing nothing. The site is pathetically obsessed with left wing >>beliefs.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>>>>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try >>>>>taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>>>>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>>>>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results >>>>>over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>>>>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few >>>>>>>>> >>>>posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a >>>>>>>>>shredReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might. >>>>>>>>> >> - that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyLooks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. >>>>>>>>> >>TheWhat nonsense.
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and >>>>>>>>> >>extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get >>>>>>>>> >>noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" - >>>>>>>>> >>they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>>>>>>> >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns >>>>>>>>> >>such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have >>>>>>>>> >told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly >>>>>>>>> >>as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another >>>>>>>>> >lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>>>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the >>>>>>>>> >>wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so >>>>>>>>> >than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on >>>>>>>>> >and
compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was >>>>>>>>a
joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the >>>>>>>>ng.
Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you >>>>>>>>keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - >>>>>>not
international data.
To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican >>>>parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by >>>>the
Political Compass, just laughable.
I think you are missing some things - the two axes measure an economic >>>scale (left and right), and a social scale (authoritarian or >>>libertarian). They do not measure aspects such as corruption,
dishonesty, the integrity of the voting system (the USA is less >>>democratic than most democracies), or the extent that money can buy an >>>election. If you disagree with the scales, then you cn say so, but you >>>would need to give reasons. If you have an alternative method of >>>comparison, then that may be interesting - you assert that you have
one but have given no details.
It was offensive because you made it si - you really are dumb.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not have >>>been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radioDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >>>>colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>>>>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that
would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a
lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting >>>conclusions with no evidence.
You are entitloed to be wrong and you are clearly so.
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of. >>>>>You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>>>>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessed >>>right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake
political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political >>>compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left.
In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so >>>than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being
held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall
position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a >>>reality, not a bias towards the left.
Infinitely better than yours and the sites bias.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/or
evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to
have similar value - none.
You have shown nothing - no evidence to support your fanciful beliefs,
and no evidence of bias from a website which is explicitly supported
by that David Farrar (who doubtless you regard as being extreme left
as a result of his support for the Political Compass as providing
worthwhile and informative results).
I don't need any support. The website is patently biased.With at least one supporter from the right - you have not shown any
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any >>>>value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of >>>>>>garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange >>>>>claim.
and deep down you know it.
support from anyone for your jaundiced views.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:Yet another repeat of an unsupported and unsubstantiated assertion
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:49:49 -0000 (UTC), TonyThe website is New Zealand focussed. It ignores the rest of the world. It is a >pointless piece of left wing propoganda. You have not demonstrated otherwise. >Do try harder.
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:I am missing nothing. The site is pathetically obsessed with left wing >>>beliefs.
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:The inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works. >>>>>To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US Republican
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:No, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>>>>>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try >>>>>>taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>>>>>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>>>>>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results >>>>>>over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>>>>>looked at the website to make such a silly assessment
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:Your have just proved me correct.
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a few
posters to nz.general . . .
An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a >>>>>>>>>>shredReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might. >>>>>>>>>> >> - that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyLooks like it to many here.https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=IwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
Definitely not
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. >>>>>>>>>> >>TheWhat nonsense.
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and >>>>>>>>>> >>extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" -
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>>>>>>>> >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns >>>>>>>>>> >>such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have >>>>>>>>>> >told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are nearly >>>>>>>>>> >>as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another >>>>>>>>>> >lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National have >>>>>>>>>> >>moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the >>>>>>>>>> >>wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more so
than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed on >>>>>>>>>> >and
compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website was >>>>>>>>>a
joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the >>>>>>>>>ng.
Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But you
keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>>>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>>>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>>>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>>>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>>>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>>>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>>>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>>>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>>>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>>>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>>>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>>>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>>>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>>>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>>>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>>>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>>>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>>>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>>>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>>>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>>>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>>>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>>>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - >>>>>>>not
international data.
parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or by
the
Political Compass, just laughable.
I think you are missing some things - the two axes measure an economic >>>>scale (left and right), and a social scale (authoritarian or >>>>libertarian). They do not measure aspects such as corruption, >>>>dishonesty, the integrity of the voting system (the USA is less >>>>democratic than most democracies), or the extent that money can buy an >>>>election. If you disagree with the scales, then you cn say so, but you >>>>would need to give reasons. If you have an alternative method of >>>>comparison, then that may be interesting - you assert that you have
one but have given no details.
It was offensive because you made it si - you really are dumb.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not have >>>>been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radioDon't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >>>>>colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseasWhen did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>>>>>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
politics, and my assessment stands.
''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that >>>>would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a >>>>lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting >>>>conclusions with no evidence.
You are entitloed to be wrong and you are clearly so.
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of. >>>>>>You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>>>>>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessed >>>>right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake
political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political >>>>compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left.
In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so >>>>than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being >>>>held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall >>>>position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a >>>>reality, not a bias towards the left.
Infinitely better than yours and the sites bias.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/or >>>>evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to
have similar value - none.
You have shown nothing - no evidence to support your fanciful beliefs,
and no evidence of bias from a website which is explicitly supported
by that David Farrar (who doubtless you regard as being extreme left
as a result of his support for the Political Compass as providing >>worthwhile and informative results).
And please stop assuming you know me. You don't have the intelligence.
I don't need any support. The website is patently biased.
With at least one supporter from the right - you have not shown any
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any >>>>>value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of >>>>>>>garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange >>>>>>claim.
and deep down you know it.
support from anyone for your jaundiced views.
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 22:18:16 -0000 (UTC), TonyIwAR1s91cvyz8QyZUGsLZcRsKNoACgV-f7iF91BxKFSfZTknJgGejow2EeqdY
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 18:49:49 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 04:53:28 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 03:42:34 -0000 (UTC), Tony >>>>>>><lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:46:48 -0700 (PDT), John Bowes >>>>>>>>><bowesjohn02@gmail.com> wrote:
On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 3:33:43?PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 31 Mar 2023 00:58:07 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2023 20:39:53 -0000 (UTC), Tony
<lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:
Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote:
Is this the sort of organisation you support?https://thespinoff.co.nz/society/28-03-2023/how-nz-fringe-groups-latched-on-to-the-posie-parker-controversy
The far right disinformation machine seems to have captured a >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>few
posters to nz.general . . .
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11915513/Controversial-group-Trans-Day-Vengeance-raised-money-firearms-training.html?fbclid=
It is you that is mindless and abusive once more.Yet another repeat of an unsupported and unsubstantiated assertionThe website is New Zealand focussed. It ignores the rest of the world. It is >>aI am missing nothing. The site is pathetically obsessed with left wing >>>>beliefs.The inverse is true, you have not understood how the website works. >>>>>>To say that the National party is almost as right wing as the US >>>>>>RepublicanNo, it is based on international data, but using a common set of >>>>>>>questions to ensure consistency between different countries - try >>>>>>>taking the test - you will see that the questions do not relate to any >>>>>>>particular country. In addition the website gives international >>>>>>>assessments of political parties / leaders, and gives these results >>>>>>>over a significant time period. It does appear that you have not even >>>>>>>looked at the website to make such a silly assessmentYour have just proved me correct.An unsupported opinion by a desperate National supporter - not a >>>>>>>>>>>shredReally? Well your recent posts make it look like you might. >>>>>>>>>>> >> - that is the sort of USA extremism that has sadlyLooks like it to many here.
Definitely not
become commonplace over there, led by Trumpsim and the far right. >>>>>>>>>>> >>TheWhat nonsense.
Republican party has got itself "owned" by the gun lobby and >>>>>>>>>>> >>extremists ; threatening with firearms appears to be one way to >>>>>>>>>>> >>get
noticed in the media in the USA.
In New Zealand the ACT party at one time courted the gun owners, >>>>>>>>>>> >>talking about less effective legislation in the name of "freedom" >>>>>>>>>>> >>-
they and National have gone quet about "gun rights" since the >>>>>>>>>>> >>Christchurch shooting, and in the face of kookery involving guns >>>>>>>>>>> >>such
as the article you posted.
Absolute nonsense. They are nowhere near as right wing - you have >>>>>>>>>>> >told
That is not to say that National and ACT (both of which are >>>>>>>>>>> >>nearly
as
right-wing as the Republicans in America)
that lie
probably a hundred tiimes here and it is still a lie.
do not court and encourageCite? I don't think so but prove that statement or it is another >>>>>>>>>>> >lie.
the far-right disinfomation kooks
- through websites such as thebfd,You are the kook if you believe that.
through dog-whistles on Kiwiblog, but also by never objecting to >>>>>>>>>>> >>extremist views, but encouraging any attacks on government on the >>>>>>>>>>> >>basis of all ememies of their enemy is their friend. National >>>>>>>>>>> >>have
moved a long way from the party that asserted it stood for equal >>>>>>>>>>> >>opportunity; their policies are now blatantly in favour of the >>>>>>>>>>> >>wealthy
and large corporations.
Fact - Greens in NZ are far left, Labour are left of centre (more >>>>>>>>>>> >so
than
they
were 5 years ago), National centre and ACT right of centre bsaed >>>>>>>>>>> >on
and
compared to other countries.
of support from anyone. By contrast, see:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2020
(and compare with:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020 )
FFS dumbo! How many times do we have to point out that the website >>>>>>>>>>was
a
joke
and is worth about the same as most, if not all, of your posts in the >>>>>>>>>>ng.
Which
of course is nothing because they're biased political bullshit. But >>>>>>>>>>you
keep
shoveling it Rich and soon you'll have a great garden because of the >>>>>>>>>>nutrient.
You do garden don't you?
Another unsupported opinion from an even more desperate National >>>>>>>>>supporter!
As I have pointed out previously, the political compass has a good >>>>>>>>>academic basis for the questions it asks relating to political views; >>>>>>>>>it has provided consistent assessments of public figures in elections >>>>>>>>>for quite a long time; and domestically has been discussed and >>>>>>>>>personal ratings compared on nz.general in the past. One of those who >>>>>>>>>gave his rating at the time was David Farrar, and he referred to his >>>>>>>>>scores on Kiwiblog when he stopped posting to nz.general. He no longer >>>>>>>>>gives the specific scores, but does say:
"On the political compass test I score right on economic issues and >>>>>>>>>libertarian on authoritarian/libertarian issues. " >>>>>>>>>https://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/disclosure_statement
Interestingly, on the Political Compass, National has been assessed >>>>>>>>>reasonably consistent at around 6/8 to 7/4, wheras the assessment of >>>>>>>>>ACT has moved from +9/+7 (2017) to +9.5 / -1.5 (2020).
At the time it was discused, Farrar gave a personal assessment around >>>>>>>>>the score that ACT has now - since then National has become more >>>>>>>>>authoritarian (less Libertarian), and ACT has stayed slightly to the >>>>>>>>>right of National, but gone from slightly more authoritarian to >>>>>>>>>slightly libertarian (nearly as libertarian as The Green Party) - ACT >>>>>>>>>are now a good fit for Farrar's personal views; and it is no surprise >>>>>>>>>to see Farrar's support through Kiwiblog for some ACT positions - as >>>>>>>>>well as of course his involvement in the Free Speech Coalition and the >>>>>>>>>NZ Taxpayers Union, which often support ACT positions as well as those >>>>>>>>>of National.
So the Political Compass does have support from at least one prominent >>>>>>>>>political person, who I suggest has a much better grasp of the >>>>>>>>>concepts invovled than either you or Tony
Think again . . .
As you have written, the website you adore is based on domestic data - >>>>>>>>not
international data.
parties is absurd and without any scientific evidnce provided by you or >>>>>>by
the
Political Compass, just laughable.
I think you are missing some things - the two axes measure an economic >>>>>scale (left and right), and a social scale (authoritarian or >>>>>libertarian). They do not measure aspects such as corruption, >>>>>dishonesty, the integrity of the voting system (the USA is less >>>>>democratic than most democracies), or the extent that money can buy an >>>>>election. If you disagree with the scales, then you cn say so, but you >>>>>would need to give reasons. If you have an alternative method of >>>>>comparison, then that may be interesting - you assert that you have >>>>>one but have given no details.
It was offensive because you made it si - you really are dumb.
If you did not know what that reference meant then you would not have >>>>>been offended - it is a term often used in relation to a radio >>>>>''host'' - who readily admits that he is not a journalist (as that >>>>>would require at lesat some basic ethics). He is famous for getting a >>>>>lot of things wrong, usually through poor assumptions and asserting >>>>>conclusions with no evidence.Don't be so offensive. I don't, unlike you have "reckons" whatever that >>>>>>colloquial nonsese is. Is that a childhood learned word?
I have consistently compared our politics with overseas >>>>>>>>politics, and my assessment stands.When did you do this, and are the basis for and the results of your >>>>>>>analysis available? Or are these just your "reckons"?
You are entitloed to be wrong and you are clearly so.
Yes but I shall not. However, neither have you so please piss off.
You shoud do the thinking.
And I have far better qualifications than you have ever dreamed of. >>>>>>>You have not demonstrated or disclose any qualification relating to >>>>>>>analysis of relative political positions - are you able to?
The political compass has the support of a prominent self - assessed >>>>>right wing operator who is known for his ability to undertake >>>>>political analysis - the support of David Farrar for the political >>>>>compass does indicate it is unlikely to be biassed towards the left. >>>>>In fact by demonstrating that Labour is also on the right (but less so >>>>>than National) demonstrates that the left/right competition is being >>>>>held largely within right wing paradigms - in effect the overall >>>>>position of the country is more right than left - I see that as a >>>>>reality, not a bias towards the left.
Infinitely better than yours and the sites bias.
Your assertions are wrth nothinhg wihout valid argument and/or >>>>>evidence. You provide none, and so your comments should be seen to >>>>>have similar value - none.
You have shown nothing - no evidence to support your fanciful beliefs, >>>and no evidence of bias from a website which is explicitly supported
by that David Farrar (who doubtless you regard as being extreme left
as a result of his support for the Political Compass as providing >>>worthwhile and informative results).
pointless piece of left wing propoganda. You have not demonstrated otherwise. >>Do try harder.
And please stop assuming you know me. You don't have the intelligence.
I don't need any support. The website is patently biased.
With at least one supporter from the right - you have not shown any >>>support from anyone for your jaundiced views.
Nothing strange about it, unlike your belief that the "compass" has any >>>>>>value.
The political compass is an amateurish left wing supporting piece of >>>>>>>>garbageAgain an unsupported assertion - with no basis for such a strange >>>>>>>claim.
and deep down you know it.
from you, Tony. You claim the website is New Zealand focussed, and
ignores the rest of the world. You are wrong on both counts, but not
having been able to find any evidence of your assertions, are now
reduced to mindless repetition of those incorrect assertions.
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