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  • Re: A good Question

    From Rich80105@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Mon Mar 20 16:57:15 2023
    On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:41:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
    It is a silly question because it is deliberately deceiving.
    Co-governance is not practiced in this country - co-management is and the two >are very different. Management implements rules and puts in place tactics to >achieve the strategies that governance has decided for the organisation. Why is
    it that Mr Molloy and you, to name but two, cannot understand such a simple >concept? He also dismisses the attack on democracy that co-governance >absolutely is. Giving 50% of the voting power on any topic or subject at all to
    17% of the voters is and always will be undemocratic. There can not be any >intelligent debate about that, but there will always be spin based on greed.

    Okay - a good question but a poor answer . . .

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 19 20:41:29 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 4:26:45 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

    https://twitter.com/OpinionistNZ/status/1637283848890515457?s=20

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  • From John Bowes@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 19 21:05:27 2023
    On Monday, March 20, 2023 at 5:00:13 PM UTC+13, Rich80105 wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:41:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizan...@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
    It is a silly question because it is deliberately deceiving.
    Co-governance is not practiced in this country - co-management is and the two
    are very different. Management implements rules and puts in place tactics to
    achieve the strategies that governance has decided for the organisation. Why is
    it that Mr Molloy and you, to name but two, cannot understand such a simple >concept? He also dismisses the attack on democracy that co-governance >absolutely is. Giving 50% of the voting power on any topic or subject at all to
    17% of the voters is and always will be undemocratic. There can not be any >intelligent debate about that, but there will always be spin based on greed. Okay - a good question but a poor answer . . .
    Wrong as usual Rich! It was a stupid question so typical of you and your fellow Marxists and a good answer from somebody who understands what freedom and liberty means!

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  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 20 03:41:25 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
    It is a silly question because it is deliberately deceiving.
    Co-governance is not practiced in this country - co-management is and the two are very different. Management implements rules and puts in place tactics to achieve the strategies that governance has decided for the organisation. Why is it that Mr Molloy and you, to name but two, cannot understand such a simple concept? He also dismisses the attack on democracy that co-governance absolutely is. Giving 50% of the voting power on any topic or subject at all to 17% of the voters is and always will be undemocratic. There can not be any intelligent debate about that, but there will always be spin based on greed.

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  • From Rich80105@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 20 16:23:48 2023
  • From Tony@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 20 04:27:42 2023
    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:41:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>>https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
    It is a silly question because it is deliberately deceiving.
    Co-governance is not practiced in this country - co-management is and the two >>are very different. Management implements rules and puts in place tactics to >>achieve the strategies that governance has decided for the organisation. Why >>is
    it that Mr Molloy and you, to name but two, cannot understand such a simple >>concept? He also dismisses the attack on democracy that co-governance >>absolutely is. Giving 50% of the voting power on any topic or subject at all >>to
    17% of the voters is and always will be undemocratic. There can not be any >>intelligent debate about that, but there will always be spin based on greed.

    Okay - a good question but a poor answer . . .
    As I wrote, it is a silly question. I have explained why. Can you explain exactly what is wrong with my explanation? I doubt it.
    Or will you continue with snide one liners and childish abuse?

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  • From Gordon@21:1/5 to Rich80105@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 20 06:29:19 2023
    On 2023-03-20, Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote:
    https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email

    Rich could have a definition of co-governance? Until we get one we might a
    as well arguge/debate whether grey is white or black.

    At present co-governance is nothing more than a word can mean what the
    speaker thinks it is. In short is about to become meaningless.

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  • From Crash@21:1/5 to lizandtony@orcon.net.nz on Tue Mar 21 10:11:53 2023
    On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 03:41:25 -0000 (UTC), Tony
    <lizandtony@orcon.net.nz> wrote:

    Rich80105 <Rich80105@hotmail.com> wrote: >>https://twitter.com/LeoMolloyNZ/status/1637232057767297024?cxt=HBwWgIDQobr4zrgtAAAA&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email
    It is a silly question because it is deliberately deceiving.
    Co-governance is not practiced in this country - co-management is and the two >are very different. Management implements rules and puts in place tactics to >achieve the strategies that governance has decided for the organisation. Why is
    it that Mr Molloy and you, to name but two, cannot understand such a simple >concept? He also dismisses the attack on democracy that co-governance >absolutely is. Giving 50% of the voting power on any topic or subject at all to
    17% of the voters is and always will be undemocratic. There can not be any >intelligent debate about that, but there will always be spin based on greed.

    Co-management, as it exists today, is a means by which a local
    authority and local Maori interests with a historical connection to
    the specific locality under management, work together to manage a
    local territorial resource. All these arrangements were the result of
    ToW grievance settlement agreements.

    Co-governance, as defined in the Water Reforms legislation, meets none
    of those criteria.


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    Crash McBash

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